Official Site did give out tickets to the rehearsals??? - Page 2

Gypsy-Rhiannon · #16 05-03-2003, 08:34 AM

And to comment on the subject fo the thread... I am in no way attacking Jackie or Trin here but I do think it is bad that rehearsal tickets were not up for grabs for other folks on the board - or at least for fan club members. A radio station was giving away 200 tickets the day before! Surely tickets could have been made available via the official site??!! I posted over there to suggest this ages ago but it was ignored.

Pip

seeknpeace · #17 05-03-2003, 09:17 AM

It is so interesting over there. BarbaraStevie, who seems to be a really nice person, made a comment that I found odd. She said, "I am so glad that you guys had a good time" or something to that effect.

How in the world would she know if they had a good time? They are YET to tell you what it was like. You would think that they would have written and posted a detailed account of their exciting night, but, instead they are deflecting the issue with copies of airline itineraries, and receipts for brokered tickets.

Does anyone wonder why Jackie is giving away the seats that she originally bought? Or she said that she pans to give to one of the wonderful fans? If you bought seats to the regular show with your glorious fan club presale, then had to also buy them from a broker to get your front row, could you afford to just give away your first purchase?

Maybe so. But, I would need to recoup my original spent money to help offset the cost of the overpriced front row. I really think that JT can not get front row comped anymore than we can. So, if he wants them, he has to buy them like we do.

Having to do that speaks loudly for the benefits of the fan club, huh? And, receipts are not an answer. Why they did not tell their friends they even went is the answer. And, why they STILL are not telling them is the answer to my question and I hope to others.

So, why will they not tell you? JT never even responded to many requests for these tickets for disgruntled fans who were ripped off by the fan club.

JT's ego seems to be bigger and more important than ever being concerned with the fan club members, with how he cheated them and continues to cheat them. Subsequent presales offered no better seating than the first as far as I can see.

And, to the person who posted over there saying that there are thousands of ppl in the fan club, get real. There are only 1300 or so members of this wonderful board, and this has been around for ages and is so well respected. This board is a good representation of the Macs internet fan base. If there are 1000 members of the fan club, I would be shocked.

Gypsy-Rhiannon · #18 05-03-2003, 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by seeknpeace

JT never even responded to many requests for these tickets for disgruntled fans who were ripped off by the fan club.

That is quite simply bad business and bloody ignorant. And then to rub peoples noses in it by posting the Happy Peoples thread.. or whatever it was called!

Pip

glitter-fades · #19 05-03-2003, 04:58 PM

Pip, I understand you never wanting to blame other fans for some of these dirty doings. You're very diplomatic in that way. The way I see it, if certain so-called fans weren't so quick to sell out other fans to get rewards, the outrage against the band and their fan club would not still be festering in the fan community.

When a fan club director operates an official website as a marketing tool for financial gain, it should NOT present an image to the fan community that such a site is anything BUT a marketing tool. Otherwise, the whole operation is suspect, especially when such a strict form of censoship is enforced on the message boards they operate. A lot of people have said otherwise, but I believe, from a fairness and ethical standpoint, an official site should have paid employees who are not active in the fan community. They should get a weekly documented paycheck for carrying out their work. If fans are on the board of an open fan forum like this one, that is different. There's not much to be gained or lost letting people speak out on any topic or take issue with the band and their employees. When a site is aimed at selling the band within the fan community as Mick's site obviously is, and it has financial gain as it's purpose, I believe it's very bad form to operate the site any other way.

It's even worse to present the obvious picture to other fans that a couple of opportunistic ones are being singled out for special treatment as payback for enforcing censorship on the fan board, for inciting flame wars on the official fan site and other fan message boards, doing certain computer deeds that some of us have suffered from, and in general, attacking other fans, "slapping some sense" into them (to use Todd's own words) and keeping them "in line" against backlash aimed at the band and their official site and it's creator/director.

There's a lot of duplicity at the core of eveything going on at the Fleetwood Mac fan club/official website. It makes the band appear one of two things. Either they are very ignorant about their public image, or only interested in the money grab. Either one equally lessens respect for them among all but the most ardent, rabid, "they can do no wrong" fans. I for one will never think of the band the same way after what I've come to know about their club and the unethical man they've publicly thanked who runs it. This latest insult: paying off fan operatives with perks while rubbing other fans noses in it, is exactly what this fan club is all about. I can say I'm disgusted but I can't say I'm surprised by it. I still hold the band accountable for the actions of Todd and his operatives.

I did my part to get word to the band about what's going on. I never heard back from anyone. I did get a fan club dues refund email. I'm sure that was done to get rid of me and my criticism once and for all. It worked on a certain level. I never go to that site and I don't care what's going on there. I also care very little about the tour and the band's success or failure. I DO like the cd. I DO praise it to people I think will like it. However, I also go out of my way to tell as many people as possible about my views on the fan club. In the eyes of some I guess that makes me "not a true fan."

Pip, you are loyal and forgiving. I like to think that I am as well, but when it comes to this, I guess I'm not loyal to a fault. For me it's the principle. I really respect you for your opinion, and please don't think I'm saying your loyalty is a fault. You are a diplomat and I nominate you to head the UN Commitee for rebuilding Iraq.

ivorymorning · #20 05-03-2003, 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by glitter-fades

[ I for one will never think of the band the same way after what I've come to know about their club and the unethical man they've publicly thanked who runs it. This latest insult: paying off fan operatives with perks while rubbing other fans noses in it, is exactly what this fan club is all about. I can say I'm disgusted but I can't say I'm surprised by it. I still hold the band accountable for the actions of Todd and his operatives.

This is exactly how I feel about it all! I can't believe they thanked this wazzock in their CD booklet!

Rachel

Rapunzel · #21 05-03-2003, 06:25 PM

I have to agree that thanking Toady Boy in the CD booklet was EXTREMELY irratating!

I still love the band but I think the whole fan club mess has rubbed some of the glitter off of the situation for me. I can't believe that they do not have some idea of what is going on!?

I can't go over to "that" board because Jackie's sexual comments about Mick make me want to puke!

I mean she CAN'T be serious!

Can she?

Aine x

ivorymorning · #22 05-03-2003, 06:50 PM

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Originally posted by Rapunzel
I have to agree that thanking Toady Boy in the CD booklet was EXTREMELY irratating!

I still love the band but I think the whole fan club mess has rubbed some of the glitter off of the situation for me. I can't believe that they do not have some idea of what is going on!?

I can't go over to "that" board because Jackie's sexual comments about Mick make me want to puke!

I mean she CAN'T be serious!

Can she?

Aine x

Well, you know, there are some people out there that do appreciate him, although I think you'll find that those same people are in therapy

Rachel

Rapunzel · #23 05-03-2003, 07:06 PM

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Originally posted by ivorymorning
Well, you know, there are some people out there that do appreciate him, although I think you'll find that those same people are in therapy

Rachel

Meiow!

hehehe

Aine x

Tango · #24 05-03-2003, 10:15 PM

I do believe the two "fans turned administrators" are fans, but I believe it's because they joined in with the mass deletions and systematic cleansing of the boards that has caused the anger that has been leveled at them.

As to why they didn't post that they attended the concerts, I suspect they were afraid they would be accused of getting some sort of favors. As to why NO rehearsal concerts were offered to "the official Fleetwood Mac fan club members", I don't know. Maybe that should be the issue. I think it's clear the fan/administrators are doing the bidding of Mr. Todd, and they received a reward. Rewarded by someone that has ignored the rest of us.

The main issue is the official Fleetwood Mac fan club has gotten nothing. I suspect Jackie and Trin are aware of that, and didn't want to brag about what they DID get. Yet I don't get understand their deceit. "A little bird told me" when in fact they were THERE. Fans have been posting about what they got:

1-Lousy seats (The Top Down sales), stolen passwords, sales that were not started on time, etc.
2-stuff on the official board they should have gotten as part of FREE PR for the band (pictures, videos, etc) and hardly ANY of that. The Q&A that was supposed to be so special was a flop.
3-PROMISES of stuff to come, with no substance
4-No communication with the issues they have had with the official site. News has come largely from THE FANS. Not the site.
5-An unbelievable amount of bannings and deletions when they posted their frustrations, when their emails and phone calls were ignored.
6-a discography that was stolen DIRECTLY from The Penguin. (which disappeared after Marty confront it on this site)

I don't know why Jackie and Trin aligned themselves to Mr. Todd, knowing how unhappy fans are. I guess they thought they could "help." They are helping Mr. Todd ban and delete. They are working in junction with an organization that has ripped off the fans and at least one fan site that we are familiar with. I question their judgment in aligning themselves with that. And now they received a reward for it. Something that hasn't been offered to others in the fan club. I don't care that it wasn't offered to "Mick's fan board," but why not "something" to those that paid to join the official site. If that is why Jackie and Trin feel "bad" (suggested by their hiding the fact that they were even there), I think they are correct in thinking others see that as an issue.

I think it's important that the name calling stop. It's not advancing the argument and those that have been burned need to keep the focus on the issues.

Josh2003 · #25 05-04-2003, 12:17 AM

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Originally posted by Tango
I don't know why Jackie and Trin aligned themselves to Mr. Todd, knowing how unhappy fans are.

Well, the fact that they were apparently at the rehearsal gives me a good idea as to WHY they aligned themselves with the jerk.

And I seriosuly think I'm going to wear a homemade t-shirt to the cleveland show that says something like "FIRE JONATHAN TODD"...I know that the members of FM won't see it, but people from their camps are always walking around before the show (we met Chris Nicks at a TISL show, just walking around) and maybe they will see it. It would be cool if other people would do something like this, too.

Rapunzel · #26 05-04-2003, 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by Josh2003
Well, the fact that they were apparently at the rehearsal gives me a good idea as to WHY they aligned themselves with the jerk.

Yep - you don't have to be Einstein to figure that one out!

Aine x

estranged4life · #27 05-04-2003, 11:28 AM

is that I'm not surprised at all, Still I thought the fan-club members should've been given the tickets for the CONSTANT BS they had to endure through...Brian J.

seeknpeace · #28 05-04-2003, 11:39 AM

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"FIRE JONATHAN TODD"...

Now, theres an idea that I can enjoy!! I may just join you in that one...

gldstwmn · #29 05-04-2003, 01:52 PM

Here's a question. In reading all of these message boards recently, I'm starting to get the impression that JT is in some way connected with merchandise. If so, does this mean that he is responsible for any merch sold at the shows?

watchdevil · #30 05-04-2003, 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by Josh2003
Well, the fact that they were apparently at the rehearsal gives me a good idea as to WHY they aligned themselves with the jerk.

And I seriosuly think I'm going to wear a homemade t-shirt to the cleveland show that says something like "FIRE JONATHAN TODD"...

Now there is an idea... having a bunch of those shirts made and the stabbed in the back fans wearing them...