How Many Will See or Not See Stevie Live in 2011?

[SapphireSister]

Originally Posted by cliffdweller

I agree. I much prefer her solo tours to her performances with FM (especially lately). On FM tours Lindsey rules the stage and Stevie just kind of quietly stays in the background, unless she's performing her material and even then it's still pretty staid. Do you think she really prefers that or do you think it's like a deal they have, that when it's FM, it becomes more of "The Lindsey Show"? I've often wondered.

Which is so narcissistic of him considering most people are there to see Stevie, not Lindsey (or just the band in general). Seriously though, how many people would not go if Stevie wouldn't be there as opposed to Lindsey not being there?? A lot.
I too agree I would MUCH rather see her solo because Lindsey hogs the stage which is really a shame not so much for Stevie but for her fans. Sorry to the Lindsey fans but a fact is a fact. And to take to another level as much as I like Christine I'm glad she's no longer with the band because it means more Stevie time!

[APerfectLie]

Originally Posted by cliffdweller

I agree. I much prefer her solo tours to her performances with FM (especially lately). On FM tours Lindsey rules the stage and Stevie just kind of quietly stays in the background, unless she's performing her material and even then it's still pretty staid. Do you think she really prefers that or do you think it's like a deal they have, that when it's FM, it becomes more of "The Lindsey Show"? I've often wondered.

I don't know where it was, but I remember reading somewhere and I think it was during an interview Stevie did in 2009, that nowadays she kinda holds back and lets Lindsey do his thing? ****, I will have to find the interview.

[RockAlot]

Originally Posted by cliffdweller

I agree. I much prefer her solo tours to her performances with FM (especially lately). On FM tours Lindsey rules the stage and Stevie just kind of quietly stays in the background, unless she's performing her material and even then it's still pretty staid. Do you think she really prefers that or do you think it's like a deal they have, that when it's FM, it becomes more of "The Lindsey Show"? I've often wondered.

Its seems like she fades into the background and lets Lindsey take the lead latley? But hey who wouldnt let a co-worker do the work if I could just kick back & get the same pay?

Note: Lindsey's a awesome performer so kudo's to him!

[AliceLover]

Originally Posted by SapphireSister

Which is so narcissistic of him considering most people are there to see Stevie, not Lindsey (or just the band in general). Seriously though, how many people would not go if Stevie wouldn't be there as opposed to Lindsey not being there?? A lot.
I too agree I would MUCH rather see her solo because Lindsey hogs the stage which is really a shame not so much for Stevie but for her fans. Sorry to the Lindsey fans but a fact is a fact. And to take to another level as much as I like Christine I'm glad she's no longer with the band because it means more Stevie time!

Lindsey doesn't do anything different on stage now than he did in 1979 or 1982. Simply watch the Mirage video.

Its not fair to blame Stevie's movement on Lindsey because she is older and not doing a truckload of cocaine. I just saw her solo, she did pretty much the exact same moves that she did on the Unleashed tour.

[HejiraNYC]

Originally Posted by AliceLover

Lindsey doesn't do anything different on stage now than he did in 1979 or 1982. Simply watch the Mirage video.

Its not fair to blame Stevie's movement on Lindsey because she is older and not doing a truckload of cocaine. I just saw her solo, she did pretty much the exact same moves that she did on the Unleashed tour.

I have to disagree... There is a definite spring in her step when she is solo. She is punching the air, kicking up her legs and crouching down at times. She also changes up the melody sometimes, makes eye contact with the audience and presses the flesh. At a Mac show she is noticeably more distant and deliberate with her movements and vocals. I suspect that, given the fact that she is not the be-all, end-all of FM like she is in her solo life, she is more mindful of not upsetting the pace and rhythm of the band. If she flubs up a song in her solo show, nobody can give her grief because, well, it's her show. But if she flubs up during a Mac show, it makes everyone look bad, and we all know about the other big egos in that band. In Lindsey's case, he is the leader of the band, so he has the liberty to take chances on stage. And it is likely that after 35 years of playing together, Mick and John instinctively know how to keep the beat during one of Lindsey's many live excursions.

[AliceLover]

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

I have to disagree... There is a definite spring in her step when she is solo. She is punching the air, kicking up her legs and crouching down at times. She also changes up the melody sometimes, makes eye contact with the audience and presses the flesh. At a Mac show she is noticeably more distant and deliberate with her movements and vocals. I suspect that, given the fact that she is not the be-all, end-all of FM like she is in her solo life, she is more mindful of not upsetting the pace and rhythm of the band. If she flubs up a song in her solo show, nobody can give her grief because, well, it's her show. But if she flubs up during a Mac show, it makes everyone look bad, and we all know about the other big egos in that band. In Lindsey's case, he is the leader of the band, so he has the liberty to take chances on stage. And it is likely that after 35 years of playing together, Mick and John instinctively know how to keep the beat during one of Lindsey's many live excursions.

What are these chances? Lindsey didn't do anything on the Unleashed tour that he hasn't done before. The only new songs he did were Monday Morning and Oh Well. Everything else has been done in all his recent solo tours. I just think people think Lindsey is showing off when, really, Stevie is slowing down. And not by choice. How many shows did it take for her to switch from boots to the shoes? She looked friggin pained. Stevie had no problem being all over the stage on the SYW tour. Even if she said she hated the tour, the live performances tell the truth. She was happy and dancing everywhere.

I just think its bull when people think Lindsey is running the show. Its not the case and never has been the case.

[SapphireSister]

Originally Posted by AliceLover

I just think its bull when people think Lindsey is running the show. Its not the case and never has been the case.

The point is he's not, he's just trying to. Bottom line is he would never get the crowds (or album sales) for his solo shows that Stevie gets for hers so FM is really his best chance to "shine" and he obviously takes full advantage of it. Even if he isn't doing anything different than 1982 you'd think he'd have the maturity by now to sit back a little but he still revels in the attention and would probably make Stevie feel like sh*t if she made the same kind of effort he did with FM (if she's even capable that is). I still believe it bothers his ego to this day that Stevie clearly became the star of the band. Lindsey fans can argue with that all they want but if you take a look at the numbers and photos over the years it can't be denied.

*and if anyone is really "running the show* it's Mick, not Stevie or Lindsey.

[AliceLover]

Originally Posted by SapphireSister

The point is he's not, he's just trying to. Bottom line is he would never get the crowds (or album sales) for his solo shows that Stevie gets for hers so FM is really his best chance to "shine" and he obviously takes full advantage of it. Even if he isn't doing anything different than 1982 you'd think he'd have the maturity by now to sit back a little but he still revels in the attention and would probably make Stevie feel like sh*t if she made the same kind of effort he did with FM (if she's even capable that is). I still believe it bothers his ego to this day that Stevie clearly became the star of the band. Lindsey fans can argue with that all they want but if you take a look at the numbers and photos over the years it can't be denied.

*and if anyone is really "running the show* it's Mick, not Stevie or Lindsey.

I'm not arguing about who is the star of the band. I love Stevie AND Lindsey. Obviously, her impact on the band helped Fleetwood Mac skyrocket. Lindsey dances around and shines at his solo shows as well. He's not showing off or being mature, thats how he is onstage ALWAYS. Since the beginning, until now. Why would a rock star sit back a little onstage? Its an adrenaline rush that probably could never be replaced. I don't think what Lindsey does on stage has anything to do with his ego. He's having fun onstage. Just because other members of Fleetwood Mac do not seem to be having as much fun, doesn't mean its Lindsey's fault. He isn't "bringing the band down" with his ego. If he did, Stevie would have been gone after the first 40 dates of the SYW tour.

Listen, I am always first and fore most a Stevie been. Always have been since I was 7 years old. But after experiencing a lull in Stevie's career, I looked into what Lindsey had to offer. And thats new music and incredible live rock shows. I'm not in this for a few twirls of chiffon every other song.

[caterwench]

Originally Posted by StandbackStevie

I am curious on how many from the board are planning on Seeing Stevie's Concert Tour next Summer? I want to say my Foxwoods Show was my last show, I just can't spend the money anymore on concerts so my concert days are over for now. I will be buying her new cd but won't be able to go to the concert. I had a wonderful time at The Foxwoods show in Aug. it was awesome.

And so in the end of things I will be there.Is someone keeping a list for the 2011 Stevie bus ? Yes, I will be there in holy cowchucks2011.

[APerfectLie]

For years, 1975-1997 it was a competition between Stevie and Lindsey on stage. Lindsey tried so hard to be the crazy maniacal guitar player but was always over shined by Stevie and her "airy fairy" ways. Stevie can captivate an audience with ease, but back in the day, she had cocaine and a grudge against Linds to make her go balls to the wall to get that audience. I think nowadays tho, Stevie is done. She is done trying to upstage him, because she has learned that when she upstages him he isn't as nice. And she has already come out on top, she doesn't feel she needs to prove anything else to Lindsey. When she is solo, she has the freedom to do her songs in the order she wants and she doesn't have to sit there and sing backup for anyone or lull thru a long ass Buckingham guitar solo present on every damn song! I think she has more energy solo because it is her project, her songs, and her thing. When she is with the Mac, she is just part of the project, and she doesn't feel she has to prove anymore that she is the leader. Also, FM tours are way more extensive and like she said, it is like being in the army, so can you blame her?

[AliceLover]

Originally Posted by APerfectLie

For years, 1975-1997 it was a competition between Stevie and Lindsey on stage. Lindsey tried so hard to be the crazy maniacal guitar player but was always over shined by Stevie and her "airy fairy" ways. Stevie can captivate an audience with ease, but back in the day, she had cocaine and a grudge against Linds to make her go balls to the wall to get that audience. I think nowadays tho, Stevie is done. She is done trying to upstage him, because she has learned that when she upstages him he isn't as nice. And she has already come out on top, she doesn't feel she needs to prove anything else to Lindsey. When she is solo, she has the freedom to do her songs in the order she wants and she doesn't have to sit there and sing backup for anyone or lull thru a long ass Buckingham guitar solo present on every damn song! I think she has more energy solo because it is her project, her songs, and her thing. When she is with the Mac, she is just part of the project, and she doesn't feel she has to prove anymore that she is the leader. Also, FM tours are way more extensive and like she said, it is like being in the army, so can you blame her?

I cringe at the thought of Mac songs without guitar solos. What would they be? Again, I disagree with your view of Lindsey's guitar playing. Hell, he uses the same guitar he did in 79' to the present. Even some of the solos are the same (So Afraid, GYOW) Fleetwood Mac ISN'T just about Stevie. Its about the sound of a band that people love. All of the members have something to do with that.

[APerfectLie]

Originally Posted by AliceLover

I cringe at the thought of Mac songs without guitar solos. What would they be? Again, I disagree with your view of Lindsey's guitar playing. Hell, he uses the same guitar he did in 79' to the present. Even some of the solos are the same (So Afraid, GYOW) Fleetwood Mac ISN'T just about Stevie. Its about the sound of a band that people love. All of the members have something to do with that.

I never said there was anything wrong with the guitar solos, I meant it must get tiring for Stevie to sit there and do NOTHING thru them every night. And I don't know what I said about Lindsey's guitar playing that you don't agree with? I didn't say he changes it up, I didn't say he wasn't good, I said he goes out there and plays the hell out of his guitar every night, which is what he does. And he has admitted that it sucks that he doesn't get the recognition he deserves, but Stevie, who isn't quite a musical "genius" like him, gets all kinds of fame. To combat that, Stevie would go out there and turn her performance into an exorcism, but she doesn't do that anymore. And I didn't say FM is just about Stevie, what I am saying is Stevie and Lindsey have always been in a competition for the spotlight, but now Stevie is stepping down. She doesn't see the need to kick every performance up to 11 now to prove something to Lindsey. She is realizing that she is part of Fleetwood Mac and it is no longer a competition to her. Lindsey is Lindsey, and Stevie competed with him for years, but now she feels she doesn't need to, so that is why she seems like somewhat of a Stevie-bot during Mac tours.

[fringed n fab]

I much prefer the White album version of I'm So Afraid, it's more sped up than the long drawn out sloooww version he plays live. I like the live version from the '76 video I believe. The way he chooses to perform it since, it just creeps along like a vinyl record playing at slowest speed.

[holidayroad]

Originally Posted by AliceLover

I just think people think Lindsey is showing off when, really, Stevie is slowing down. And not by choice. How many shows did it take for her to switch from boots to the shoes? She looked friggin pained. Stevie had no problem being all over the stage on the SYW tour. Even if she said she hated the tour, the live performances tell the truth. She was happy and dancing everywhere.

I just think its bull when people think Lindsey is running the show. Its not the case and never has been the case.

I agree with this. I don't think Lindsey is trying to upstage Stevie. I think Stevie is slowing down, so LB looks more 'manic' by comparison. If anything, he may be doing all he does to cover up Stevie's slowing down.

[cliffdweller]

Originally Posted by holidayroad

I agree with this. I don't think Lindsey is trying to upstage Stevie. I think Stevie is slowing down, so LB looks more 'manic' by comparison. If anything, he may be doing all he does to cover up Stevie's slowing down.

And now that he's singing 50% of the songs (unlike the 33% or so when Chris was with them) he's out front and center more, pulling the show. Yeah, I think Stevie's tired and slowing down on stage, but who can blame her? I hate that she wears those horrible frankenboks, but at her age she can't move around and do a 2-3 hr set in those spiked platforms anymore. I couldn't do it for an hour and I'm half her age and in better shape!