The Ledge

Go Back   The Ledge > Main Forums > Rumours
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members List Calendar


Make the Ads Go Away! Click here.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-15-2003, 08:38 AM
CarneVaca CarneVaca is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 3,228
Default Newsday review of Say You Will

Here's the review from today's Newsday. It gives a pretty good indication as to why Lindsey's solo stuff doesn't sell. While critics by and large seem to adore Lindsey, this Newsday guy is more like the average person who doesn't go for the esoteric.

A Powerhouse Band on a New Road
April 15, 2003


The name of the band may still be Fleetwood Mac, but the key for some time has been the involvement of Buckingham-Nicks.

With guitarist-singer Lindsey Buckingham and singer Stevie Nicks on board with drummer Mick Fleetwood and bassist John McVie, Fleetwood Mac is one of rock's most successful and influential bands. Without them, it becomes a struggle to explain what went wrong.

No such explanation is necessary for "Say You Will" (Reprise), the first album of new Fleetwood Mac material with Buckingham since 1987's "Tango in the Night" and the first with Nicks since 1990's disappointing "Behind the Mask." While it's not exactly a return to the halcyon days of "Rumours," it's certainly the band's most potent album since 1982's "Mirage," with a string of potential hits to remind people what made them a powerhouse, even without Christine McVie, who remains in retirement.

The title track is a glorious reminder of days gone by, with Nicks' slightly mysterious delivery of its irresistible insta-hook and Buckingham's sun- kissed guitarwork. "Thrown Down" has a classic Mac feel, like the second coming of "Rhiannon," with the Buckingham- Nicks harmonies sounding as comfortable as a down comforter. The leadoff single, "Peacekeeper," weaves together Buckingham's haunting lyrics (written long before the war in Iraq began) and that lush midtempo rock vibe that the band has owned since the 1970s. "What's the World Coming To?" is another charmer, a sunny, Southern California pop-rocker with Buckingham on lead vocals.

"Say You Will" is definitely a Buckingham-driven affair, with the guitarist-singer co-producing 11 of the album's 18 tracks, giving it a cohesive sound. Unfortunately, it seems like the Fleetwood Mac checks-and-balances system may not have been up and running, as some of the songs feature Buckingham running amok with unnecessarily ornate solos and excessive noodling. It works in the frenzied "Running Through the Garden," where the listener is bombarded with a swirl of Nicksian images and a growing musical intensity. In most songs, though, especially the patience-trying "Murrow" and "Red Rover," it doesn't.

Overall, "Say You Will" is a strong addition to the Fleetwood Mac catalog, sure to bring some new life and new fans to the upcoming tour. ("Say You Will," in stores today. Grade: B- )
Reply With Quote
.
  #2  
Old 04-15-2003, 09:26 AM
ERigby818's Avatar
ERigby818 ERigby818 is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 485
Question

Patience-trying?! Excessive noodling?!!
.
-Sonia
__________________
"So I close my eyes softly... till I become that part of the wind that we all long for sometimes. And to those that I love like a ghost through a fog, like a charmed hour and a haunted song, and the angel... of my dreams"

"All alone we suffer. Oh, to steal your heart away."
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-15-2003, 09:36 AM
SmthngOfADreamr SmthngOfADreamr is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 432
Default

I get tired of the constant comparisons to prior albums, but I suppose that's inevitable. I just wish that these people could come to terms with the fact that this is really a great album. And no, it won't sell as much as Rumours, or maybe even Tusk. But how many bands can honestly have 30 years + of material out there to be able to compare in the first place? And then to make comparisions such as "their best since 1982's mirage"...and then not back that opinion up in any way. It just drives me nuts. This album is so much better than Mirage that it's almost scary! 1982 was 21 years ago for God's sake! It's like comparing bands like System of a Down or Staind with Wham!

Anyway, excuse the rant. It probably makes no sense, I'm just frustrated with some of these reviews.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-15-2003, 10:05 AM
BigAl84's Avatar
BigAl84 BigAl84 is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,045
Default

i think the fact that these reviews keep mentioning lindseys excessive needling and eccentric work, only makes lindsey feel better. The fact that its odd enough that the critics dont favour probably makes his clocks turn. Lindsey said himself the more people who find this album quirky, all the better he will feel.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-15-2003, 02:04 PM
Gazza Gazza is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 352
Default

They adore Lindsey when there's no "Fleetwood Mac" name in sight. That's what pisses me off.

What I like about Lindsey, is that he can be as completely weird as Radiohead, but his songs still work. You can strip them down to nothing and there's still something great there, which I don't think is the case with much of Radioheads later stuff.

I understand Red Rover is not going to be to everyones taste, but there's something unique there, there's an idea, which is more exciting than most of the generic crap you'll hear today, from bands that for some reason unknown to me get a ridiculous amount of praise for doing something that was done better 25 years ago.

The fact one critic thinks Murrow "totally rocks" whilst another think's it's awful, says it all really.

I hope they make another album that's the wackiest thing you'll ever hear. I'm sure that's what Lindsey wants.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 04-15-2003, 02:43 PM
blodge blodge is offline
Junior Ledgie
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Tempe, AZ
Posts: 10
Default

Comparisons to previous albums are inevitable. It's just an opinion; there's no way to really back it up. I was suprised that they considered strongest since Mirage, which IMHO opinion was the Rumours lineups' weakest studio effort. (That being said, it's still a darn good album, which goes to the high standards of FM albums.) I don't get why the critics consistently bag on Tango in the Night as mediocre. I loved that album.

But then again, it's just an opinion.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-15-2003, 03:22 PM
Karen's Avatar
Karen Karen is offline
Senior Ledgie
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Melbourne, FL
Posts: 246
Default

Unfortunately, it seems like the Fleetwood Mac checks-and-balances system may not have been up and running, as some of the songs feature Buckingham running amok with unnecessarily ornate solos and excessive noodling.

I guess this is supposed to be the writer's way of saying that he/she misses Christine McVie's presence. There have been other reviews that make this point clear. How interesting!

Hey, I'm glad that Lindsey was able to do his own thing on another Fleetwood Mac album (like Tusk ). He's always had great reviews when it comes to his solo work. This isn't the first time that he's used his solo material to make an FM album, nor will it be his last time. The reviewers need to consider this factor.

Thanks for posting the article!
__________________
"I keep the dream in my pocket...Never let it fade away"
Tango in the Night
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-15-2003, 04:16 PM
DownOnRodeo's Avatar
DownOnRodeo DownOnRodeo is offline
Addicted Ledgie
Supporting Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Birmingham, AL
Posts: 3,943
Default

Quote:
The fact one critic thinks Murrow "totally rocks" whilst another think's it's awful, says it all really.
Exactly. This multifaceted album is really proving to be a test of inidividual preference. As you say Gazza, most reviewers have been praising Murrow, and one even preferred Silver Girl to Red Rover. I mean...come on
__________________
Joe
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 04-15-2003, 04:34 PM
blodge blodge is offline
Junior Ledgie
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Tempe, AZ
Posts: 10
Default

Comparisons to previous albums are inevitable. It's just an opinion; there's no way to really back it up. I was suprised that they considered strongest since Mirage, which IMHO opinion was the Rumours lineups' weakest studio effort. (That being said, it's still a darn good album, which goes to the high standards of FM albums.) I don't get why the critics consistently bag on Tango in the Night as mediocre. I loved that album.

But then again, it's just an opinion.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 04-15-2003, 06:50 PM
LindseyRocks LindseyRocks is offline
Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Seattle WA
Posts: 64
Default hmmm

Let's face it, most critics don't have "ears". They don't understand production or experimentation. They tend to be "casual music listeners"; anything that challenges their precious little ears in the slightest really freaks them out.

Quite frankly, the new album is brilliant. The Mac has managed to retain the classic sound while still pushing the envelope a bit. They really have progressed, rather than staying stuck in the same vain that the critics seem to want them to. Lindsey did a great job with this one - even Stevie's material is the strongest I've heard from her in years (which is quite a compliment considering that she lost her voice years ago). The Mac is back, and I'm loving it.

david
__________________
...all of our friends are gods, and they all tell us how to paint our face
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 04-15-2003, 08:13 PM
strandinthewind's Avatar
strandinthewind strandinthewind is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: New York City
Posts: 25,791
Default Re: hmmm

Quote:
Originally posted by LindseyRocks
even Stevie's material is the strongest I've heard from her in years (which is quite a compliment considering that she lost her voice years ago).

david
While I agree her voice changed dramatically after Bella Donna or, at the latest, Wild Heart. I feel compelled to come to La Nicks' defense and point out that she has still sold millions of records and for the most part remained adored both critically and publicly since then. Even Street Angel got decent reviews. So, I must take friendly ( ) issue with your conclusion that she has "lost her voice" if you meant that to say she cannot sing since 1984ish.
__________________
Photobucket

save the cheerleader - save the world
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Fleetwood Mac – The Very Best Of Fleetwood Mac 2 CD Set - NEW picture

Fleetwood Mac – The Very Best Of Fleetwood Mac 2 CD Set - NEW

$17.40



Fleetwood Mac Mirage Vinyl LP 1982 Original US Press Warner Bros 1-23607 NM  picture

Fleetwood Mac Mirage Vinyl LP 1982 Original US Press Warner Bros 1-23607 NM

$37.96



Fleetwood Mac 8 X 10 Autographed Photo With Coa picture

Fleetwood Mac 8 X 10 Autographed Photo With Coa

$165.00



Fleetwood Mac Rumours,1977 1st Warner Bros BSK-3010 W/Insert VG+ picture

Fleetwood Mac Rumours,1977 1st Warner Bros BSK-3010 W/Insert VG+

$27.96



Fleetwood Mac LP Bundle - Best of Fleetwood Mac picture

Fleetwood Mac LP Bundle - Best of Fleetwood Mac

$124.99




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:10 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
© 1995-2003 Martin and Lisa Adelson, All Rights Reserved