OMG Stevie wrote a new song with Dave Stewart!!!!

[brysondt]

Originally Posted by vivfox

You might be the only one. Most of us feel that Jane sucks. Jane sucks chimpanzee do do.

Haha--"jane" is a funny one. Sara can't even stand to listen to it and she said nobody else listened to it after it was done either, haha. Although....to be funny sometimes, I put that junk on blast in my car and force Sara to listen to it, lol.

Well--it's not that it's that bad of a song, actually. It's just...trying to take it seriously is hard for me, ha. Yes, it is sad that monkeys and stuff are used for testing and held captive, but....STEVIE singing a song about it??? Our lil poet? It's hard stuff....

[Dodfather]

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

dubious gems like "Fire Burning,"

[QUOTE=AliceLover;880714]

She should just scrap this whole project and put out a greatest hits LP. Its almost been three years since we got a new version of Landslide!!! QUOTE]

Originally Posted by seekerj

This is EXACTLY how I feel about Rick Nowels. He should stick with Madonna and the other superficial dance-music bimbos.

I love all the songs you mention, except Fire Burning.

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

Fire Burning is undoubtedly playing in my version of Hell right now!

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

I detest Jane, I'm even embarrassed to listen to that one alone!

Phew!! I've never done so much multi-quoting before!

Awwwww, people really dislike Fire Burning! I really think I'm the only one who likes it. It's simple but fun but yes, I can understand how it can grate on you all!

3 years since a new version of Landslide - hahahaha!! If I hear one more new verswion of that song I'll get angry, and you wouldn't like me when I'm angry...

I love Rick Nowels!! Then again, I'm a big Belinda Carlisle fan so that explains that one! Belinda rules, she ain't no dance music bimbo!

Jane is truly appalling. It's one of the reasons why Stevie's Behind The Music isn't that great. The one song they keep playing over and over again is Jane!! Why??

[mikebise]

I love "Jane"! It was performed here in Dallas in November 1991.

Stevie-Apologist here, LOUD AND PROUD!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Phil]

I also am fond of Fire Burning - it's a great little, rollicking ditty. A melodic, spirited song, the likes of which we desperately need with the dearth of original compositions from our little girl. Where is our feisty little princess?

I'm fine with Rick Nowels and hope he continues to write with Stevie. Belinda Carlisle is a goddess and her work with Rick, particularly the Live Your Life album, is fantastic pop. Rick's sense of melody can not be disputed and Stevie's often dark, introspective lyrics are a nice counter balance to his pop sensibilities. Keep 'em coming I say.

[tilthefirefades]

I actually love all of TOSOTM. I know this will put me in a very small minority, but I think it is much better than RAL

[HejiraNYC]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

Fair enough! Like Lindsey once said of Stevie: she used to write from the inside out. She's been far, far more literal the past 30 years than she was in the '70s. There's nowhere near as much room for personal interpretation with her MTV era -> present recordings as with her early Mac material. My whole long-winded meandering rebuttal to this is you almost bring up a moot point IMO... aren't all the songs she's recorded in at least the past 20 years of a more pedestrian nature than the Stevie we all fell in love with? Or do you still see flecks of gold in the matrix? Personally, when I hear the banal words to this new snippet from Dave Stewart, it's a bit disheartening.

For one thing, she hasn't released all that much material over the past 20 years- two FM albums, two solo albums and a handful of tracks here and there. And we probably should discount anything she released during the Klonopin Era (1990-1994) since she was not in her right mind at all. So that really leaves us with one Stevie album (TISL), one Fleetwood Mac album (SYW) and a few other tracks. I think songs like "Trouble in Shangri-la," "Bombay Sapphires," "Love Is," and "Planets of the Universe" (the new verses) are classic Stevie lyric-wise- somewhat mysterious, somewhat allegorical, deeply heartfelt and impressionistic. And on SYW, even seemingly straightforward songs like "Thrown Down," "Everybody Finds Out" and "Destiny Rules" have a mysterious quality about them. Who are these songs about? The lyrics hint at secret trysts, unspoken words, moments of regret about specific events and the inevitability of fate, but the true meanings of the songs are never quite revealed. And there are some truly brilliant lines here and there, e.g., "When love starts out in the darkness, it doesn't do well in the light," "It's not being together, it's just following the rules," etc. Compare the TISL and SYW lyrics to "Desert Angel." "This is the first thing that I've written since I wrote about 'freedom,'" in which she boldly namechecks another craptacular ditty co-written with Mike Campbell. And how cringe-inducing is "I was born in the desert... so I know how it feels there." Just inexplicably bad, bad, bad... In hindsight I realize she was under the influence when she wrote this, so I'll cut her some slack. But at the time of it's release, I was seriously wondering WTF???

[Dodfather]

Originally Posted by Phil

I also am fond of Fire Burning - it's a great little, rollicking ditty. A melodic, spirited song, the likes of which we desperately need with the dearth of original compositions from our little girl. Where is our feisty little princess?

I'm fine with Rick Nowels and hope he continues to write with Stevie. Belinda Carlisle is a goddess and her work with Rick, particularly the Live Your Life album, is fantastic pop. Rick's sense of melody can not be disputed and Stevie's often dark, introspective lyrics are a nice counter balance to his pop sensibilities. Keep 'em coming I say.

Yay!! We seem to have much in common! Do you have the Real (1993) album that Belinda did without Rick and went back to working with Charlotte Caffey instead? It's excellent. I just got Runaway Horses on vinyl recently, which has a Sandy Stewart song ong it too (Valentine)!

[Dodfather]

Originally Posted by tilthefirefades

I actually love all of TOSOTM. I know this will put me in a very small minority, but I think it is much better than RAL

Oh no. I like The Other Side Of The Mirror until that God awful final track, her cover of I Still Miss Someone. For me that song is worse than Jane!

[tilthefirefades]

Originally Posted by Dodfather

Oh no. I like The Other Side Of The Mirror until that God awful final track, her cover of I Still Miss Someone. For me that song is worse than Jane!

OK, I love all of TOSOTM until I Still Miss Someone. Give me When I See You Again any day

I actually don't think Jane is all that bad either..but then again this is coming from a person who loves Silver Girl

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

And how cringe-inducing is "I was born in the desert... so I know how it feels there." Just inexplicably bad, bad, bad...

You've mentioned this before so I want to comment. The 1991 war was callled Desert Storm. It was the first time American troops fought a war exclusively in a desert.
I was living in Phoenix when this was a new song, in 1991. I know how it feels there. I'm sure, knowing that you are a world traveler, you have been in a desert at some point. But to actually live in one, for many years, a realateable experience could be felt with the soldiers who are fighting a war in such extreme heat.

Living in the Phoenix area feels like a whole different planet than living in a place with four seasons. In NYC where you reside, if the tempertaure was 104 degrees you might be visiting the hospital from dehydration and extreme humidity. In Phoenix such a tempertaure is no big deal. It may feel like 80 degrees would to you. 115 degrees in Phoenix is hotter than hell, but a normal July day.
115 degrees in NYC and the entire populace would most likely die from the humidity. If not die, multitudes would be extremely close to it.

Also in another thread you or someone mentioned the lyric, "in a place the Indians call Paradise valley."
If you are lucky enough to ever visit the section of this town that Stevie lived in you will learn that Camelback Mountain holds a special grotto where some Tribal Indians from the past had a spiritual place there to pray to their God(s). It was a sacred mountain. And this mountain when viewed from above is shaped like a Camel.
There are many references in this song that perhaps only a Phoenician might truly understand, though I think she does a fine job in describing these, and their similarities to Operation Desert Storm.

[mikebise]

Thank you, Viv!
Applause! Applause!!!!

[Phil]

Hi Dodfather, yes I do have Real, along with everything else Belinda has released (solo and with the Go-Go's). Real has some fabulous tracks on it (Big Scary Animal, Tell Me, Here Comes My Baby) but I do prefer the Runaway Horses, Live Your Life and A Woman And A Man albums. Her version of Bonnie & Clyde from the Voila album is brilliant - check it out if you haven't heard it. I always thought Stevie should have recorded Valentine but that could be due to Belinda's obvious impersonation of her on the track. Did you realise she thanks Stevie in the credits of at least one of her albums? I think it's Heaven On Earth.

[Dodfather]

Hey Phil - I tried to pm you with this but it didn't give ne the option to?

I'm listening to Real right now. I have Runaway Horses (vinyl), The Very Best of Belinda (a European hits collection that spans Heaven On Earth - Live Your Life Be Free and was a HUGE hit), A Woman And A Man and Real.

I had her early studio albums on cassette but went through that stupid 15-16yo phase where I didn;t think it was "cool" to listen to her and so got rid of them. Since then it's just been the Best Of and the stuff that came after that. I'm replacing the early stuff on vinyl, and I'll get the CD/DVD release of Heaven On Earth. I don't have Volia but know it well because of good old Spotify.

I really need to get Belinda (1985) but it's hard to track down for a reasonable price, even on ebay (not looked for little while though). I love I Feel The Magic and Mad About You, and the rest of that album is great too! I also just have a good Go-Gos hits collction because, horror!), my copy of Talk Show broke a couple of months ago!

Yep, Belinda loves Stevie! I bet she loved recording Lindsey's song for Belinda...

[HejiraNYC]

Originally Posted by vivfox

You've mentioned this before so I want to comment. The 1991 war was callled Desert Storm. It was the first time American troops fought a war exclusively in a desert.
I was living in Phoenix when this was a new song, in 1991. I know how it feels there. I'm sure, knowing that you are a world traveler, you have been in a desert at some point. But to actually live in one, for many years, a realateable experience could be felt with the soldiers who are fighting a war in such extreme heat.

Living in the Phoenix area feels like a whole different planet than living in a place with four seasons. In NYC where you reside, if the tempertaure was 104 degrees you might be visiting the hospital from dehydration and extreme humidity. In Phoenix such a tempertaure is no big deal. It may feel like 80 degrees would to you. 115 degrees in Phoenix is hotter than hell, but a normal July day.
115 degrees in NYC and the entire populace would most likely die from the humidity. If not die, multitudes would be extremely close to it.

Also in another thread you or someone mentioned the lyric, "in a place the Indians call Paradise valley."
If you are lucky enough to ever visit the section of this town that Stevie lived in you will learn that Camelback Mountain holds a special grotto where some Tribal Indians from the past had a spiritual place there to pray to their God(s). It was a sacred mountain. And this mountain when viewed from above is shaped like a Camel.
There are many references in this song that perhaps only a Phoenician might truly understand, though I think she does a fine job in describing these, and their similarities to Operation Desert Storm.

Again, I'm not criticizing her sentiments. I'm just criticizing the abject dearth of imagination conveyed in her choice of words. This is supposed to be poetry, not someone saying "Grrrl, I know what that feels like!" It's like the difference between saying "I'm in a car and I'm bored" vs. "You just found the hitcher, prisoner of the white lines on the freeway"- Joni Mitchell. Stevie should be painting the picture with words rather than just simply handing us the photograph. That's what poetry is about IMHO.

Whenever I have to suffer through one of those tortuous, endless 98°F 95% humidity days in New York, I always think of one of my favorite lines evah: "The day drags by... like a wounded animal" from Siouxsie & the Banshees "92°". That's so much better than saying "It's hot and I know what hot feels like."

[David]

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

Whenever I have to suffer through one of those tortuous, endless 98°F 95% humidity days in New York, I always think of one of my favorite lines evah: "The day drags by... like a wounded animal" from Siouxsie & the Banshees "92°". That's so much better than saying "It's hot and I know what hot feels like."

My favorite lines by Hölderlin:

Speechless and cold
In the wind
The weather vanes are clanging

Sprachlos und kalte
im Winde
klirren die Fahnen