An Emotional Life- Divorce, Emotions, and Past Relationships- A Mini Vent By: Ethan

[Black_Moon]

Originally Posted by LiamMcConville

ORLY? Once again - only defending Ethan to make my point. Where is this facade you speak of? Where in the title of this thread is it stated that divorce would be the only topic of conversation? In-fact! "Past Relationships" is even in the title! Seems pretty out-right to me. Oh, that's right. I'm not retarded.

Yet another self-obsessed thread, huh? Poorly masked by what? "An Emotional Life - Divorce, Emotions, and Past Relationships - A Mini Vent By: Ethan". Oh - you're right, I see the masking there. None of those things were blatantly discussed. I must not know how to read. Shocking, considering I'm reading, AND writing, at this very moment.

A ****ing joke is all I care to call you, I'd feel bad being anymore insulting. Dunce, ignoramus, dolt, all equally fitting, however.

Oh - and your time on this message board has nothing to do with your all-knowing of life experiences. Although - where exactly was your wisdom and comprehension of the human psyche displayed in this thread? Somewhere in your banter with golddustdrummer or brazlianbeauty? Yeah, right.

"Past relationships" is ambiguous, I read this thread expecting something serious, not a brief interaction with a girl two years ago disguised as something more to portray a thread of some real worth. I guess I overestimated Ethan. I guess that also makes me an ignoramous for not realising, or a dunce, or what other absolute drivel you called me - someone you don't even know.

You really have no idea. Whatsoever. Perhaps it was in poor judgement to express how pissed of I was with this entire thing, and call Ethan an emotional trainwreck. Sorry, but he is, in my opinion. He's 19, and hasn't learned from his mistakes that he makes over and over.

I didn't say I was "all-knowing". I didn't say I had a vast "wisdom and comprehension of the human psyche" either. All I said was, my time on the Ledge doesn't have anything to do with life-experience. Although, putting words in other people's mouths really shows off your maturity, doesn't it?

[marinnette]

amen, lucy, amen!!

this thread isn't about a problem like a divorce, divorce is just an excuse to introduce the whole cheap drama...i give a f*ck about what people tell about their lifes, i just say that u can't complain when people comment and all that btching about past relationships is unrespectful when other people have real problems, like for example, a divorce. when ethan talks about it, i will be the first one to give him my support.

and really, counting how much long users have been posting is a little...creepy.

[jannieC]

Before Ethan comes back and begs Y'all To Stop Fighting About Him, I'm telling you now- stop fighting about him. It is not important. And Liam really, coming to this thread to defend him is ridiculous and you know it. It's an excuse to start something with posters you obviously have other issues with. Let it go.

Reactions to life's experiences are relative. What's horribly stressful for one may not be such a big deal to someone else. The suffering I see every day in my work makes the bickering on this board seem humorous and trivial. Let. It. Go.

[LiamMcConville]

Originally Posted by Black_Moon

"Past relationships" is ambiguous, I read this thread expecting something serious, not a brief interaction with a girl two years ago disguised as something more to portray a thread of some real worth. I guess I overestimated Ethan. I guess that also makes me an ignoramous for not realising, or a dunce, or what other absolute drivel you called me - someone you don't even know.

You really have no idea. Whatsoever. Perhaps it was in poor judgement to express how pissed of I was with this entire thing, and call Ethan an emotional trainwreck. Sorry, but he is, in my opinion. He's 19, and hasn't learned from his mistakes that he makes over and over.

I didn't say I was "all-knowing". I didn't say I had a vast "wisdom and comprehension of the human psyche" either. All I said was, my time on the Ledge doesn't have anything to do with life-experience. Although, putting words in other people's mouths really shows off your maturity, doesn't it?

Walks like a duck, talks like a duck. Sorry, Lucy. Next time I'll be a little more compassionate & take in to consideration your age before I try to make a point to you.

Originally Posted by marinnette

amen, lucy, amen!!

this thread isn't about a problem like a divorce, divorce is just an excuse to introduce the whole cheap drama...i give a f*ck about what people tell about their lifes, i just say that u can't complain when people comment and all that btching about past relationships is unrespectful when other people have real problems, like for example, a divorce. when ethan talks about it, i will be the first one to give him my support.

and really, counting how much long users have been posting is a little...creepy.

Amen, Lucy?

K. And yes, creepy. When you look at this post, check the upper-righthand corner of the box. Above the number of posts I've made.

[Black_Moon]

Originally Posted by LiamMcConville

Walks like a duck, talks like a duck. Sorry, Lucy. Next time I'll be a little more compassionate & take in to consideration your age before I try to make a point to you.

I could give less of a **** about how people speak to me 'cause of my age, unless it's condescending, like you're being now. My age has nothing to do with this. You're two or three years older than me? My maturity, however is greater than yours times about a million. You must seriously have the biggest inferiority complex going. I pity the fact you still use arguments like "I've posted much more than you". Maybe you have, but the fact the vast majority is obnoxious remarks doesn't make much of a difference in the grand scheme of things. Oh, and referring to your first post - I've known about Fleetwood Mac since I was tiny. 15 years or so? Yep, that just shows who really is the ignoramous around here.

By the way, a point is an "opinion or fact". None of what you spoke was fact, but instead it was an attack. Don't pretend that you had good intentions, really.

[michelle2677]

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=29373

over 3 years later, and nothing has changed

Originally Posted by vivfox

This insensitive comment to Ethan makes me wonder if you were the one who sent that nasty pm to DavidMN.

i know this is dragging stuff up that was posted forever ago, but i think it's insensitive to imply someone sent a ****ty PM based on...NOTHING.

[golddustdrummer]

Originally Posted by LiamMcConville

I am not Ethan's biggest fan, trust.


But: WHO THE FUKC DO YOU THREE THINK YOU ARE?

The other posters complaining about Ethan have been posting on this board before ANY of you even knew a song by Fleetwood Mac. They've tolerated him for MUCH longer than any of you have.

Lucy - you've been posting on this board for less than EIGHT MONTHS. You're a ****ing joke.

Shawna - same to you. You and Lucy should be absolutely ****ing crestfallen that you can turn something this emotionally honest into a personal joke.

Marina - Who the are you to say that Ethan's parent's divorce isn't a "real" problem? He may handle his emotions poorly, but this issue is as legitimate as any.

The weight of an individual's problem is determined by their ability to cope, not another's assessment.

Here's an article written by an American psychologist discussing his experiences with language barriers. Maybe some of this is being lost in translation for you.

http://shrinktalk.net/?p=368


Bottom line: Does Ethan handle himself poorly? ABSOLUTELY. But you three should be ASHAMED for your blatant shamelessness, insensitivity and intolerance.

Who the "FUKC" do I think I am?
I guess I'm insensitive. I've been through a HELL of a life. When I say hell I mean it. Sorry if I'm not compassionate about girl problems and divorce.

Once Ethan tries growing up experiencing emotional abuse, watching physical abuse, going through a life threatening illness and almost dying as a result (twice), being told you are a mistake, and various loads of other bull**** that I don't think is APPROPRIATE TO SHARE WITH STRANGERS ON AN INTERNET MESSAGEBOARD....only after he goes through this, will I give him an ounce of sympathy.

I'm not out for sympathy and attention. Unlike some other veteran posters.

If you'll excuse me, I'll go be "crestfallen".
not.

[Black_Moon]

Originally Posted by golddustdrummer

Who the "FUKC" do I think I am?
I guess I'm insensitive. I've been through a HELL of a life. When I say hell I mean it. Sorry if I'm not compassionate about girl problems and divorce.

Once Ethan tries growing up experiencing emotional abuse, watching physical abuse, going through a life threatening illness and almost dying as a result (twice), being told you are a mistake, and various loads of other bull**** that I don't think is APPROPRIATE TO SHARE WITH STRANGERS ON AN INTERNET MESSAGEBOARD....only after he goes through this, will I give him an ounce of sympathy.

I'm not out for sympathy and attention. Unlike some other veteran posters.

If you'll excuse me, I'll go be "crestfallen".
not.

And for this very reason, I am not remotely ashamed at my "shamelessness" - although how I could be crestfallen because of this I'll never know when according to what you've said I'm basically evil - "intolerance and insensitivity". There's no reason for me to have any compassion for Ethan, considering he's more of a drama queen than any 13 year old girl could hope to be.

Also, I'm pretty sure Shawna and Marina are older than you. Which means, your patronising manner is completely pointless. You're actually going through your mid-life crisis about 35 years early, congratulations!

[HejiraNYC]

From my impartial, objective take on this ****storm of a thread, I have concluded that everyone is missing the point. I don't think Ethan is intentionally whining about his parents divorcing or some chick ignorning him in an effort to evoke pity. I think what he is really trying to communicate (albeit not very articulately or concisely) is his fear of becoming emotionally dead inside, i.e., building up an emotional barrier and becoming distant from people in his life. It wasn't a pleasant read by any means, but I suppose he has a right, as a young adult, to share his story and then ask the world what this all means. Since he obviously does not have any close confidents that he feels comfortable sharing such intimate knowledge with, he probably felt comforted by the anonymity of the Ledge and hoped to compare notes with others who may have been in his situation. Obviously it didn't pan out as expected! I don't think it was a competition over who has it rougher, nor was it a blatant attempt to evince sympathy or a cry for help. Admittedly he has engaged in rather narcisstic and/or annoying posting behavior in the past, but I don't think this is one of those episodes to get riled up about. If anything I think Ethan's biggest fault here was simply not being able to express himself well.

If nobody had anything constructive to say, I think this thread should have died a quick, painless death on its own. The personal attacks were unnecessary.

[marinnette]

this is my last post in this thread. even if i'm called names, insulted or whatever, i won't take a part in this nonsense anymore. the remedy is being worse than the problem itself, and i think we are cooperating with something i find obscure an boring as egocentrism (it is ok when someone is the sh*t, like an artist or something).

i already said what i think and i want to spend the rest of my time on this board discussing interesting stuff, like the FM, LB, SN or enjoying the chit chat as a way to get to meet nice people, because I am sure most of the users are worth to be known. and i am saying this from the experience.

so if anybody wants to get more attention, i suggest they might start a personal board, or a blog or whatever. this way, there won't be any reason to criticize any self-centered attitude.

i hope u all are happy. i am, maybe my existence is not perfect, but i try to be in the right path. that's the most important thing, to be contented with the way u act and let the others be in peace

[michelle2677]

Originally Posted by LiamMcConville

I am not Ethan's biggest fan, trust.


But: WHO THE FUKC DO YOU THREE THINK YOU ARE?

etc etc etc

who **** in your cheerios this morning?

it's alright. i feel someone **** in my special k this morning

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by golddustdrummer

Who the "FUKC" do I think I am?
I guess I'm insensitive. I've been through a HELL of a life. When I say hell I mean it. Sorry if I'm not compassionate about girl problems and divorce.

Once Ethan tries growing up experiencing emotional abuse, watching physical abuse, going through a life threatening illness and almost dying as a result (twice), being told you are a mistake, and various loads of other bull**** that I don't think is APPROPRIATE TO SHARE WITH STRANGERS ON AN INTERNET MESSAGEBOARD....only after he goes through this, will I give him an ounce of sympathy.

I'm not out for sympathy and attention. Unlike some other veteran posters.

If you'll excuse me, I'll go be "crestfallen".
not.

i find this rhetoric difficult to swallow.

i don't know you or your story. i want to make it clear that i'm not defending ethan, i'm just interested in addressing a broader issue you brought up.

in this situation you could justify being unsympathetic for a number of reasons. you could say ethan's irritating, or that he posts the same thing over and over again, or that he's fishing for attention. any of those would be defensible. but to turn it into a pissing contest about whose life is more difficult is silly and it makes you look petulant. that's the irony of indulging in this kind of oneupsmanship.

i have no reason to doubt that you've been through hell, but your experience is not the official standard unit of suffering, and to say that the only people who get your sympathy are those who have had it just as bad or worse than you've had it is just goofy.

[golddustdrummer]

Originally Posted by carrie721

i find this rhetoric difficult to swallow.

i don't know you or your story. i want to make it clear that i'm not defending ethan, i'm just interested in addressing a broader issue you brought up.

in this situation you could justify being unsympathetic for a number of reasons. you could say ethan's irritating, or that he posts the same thing over and over again, or that he's fishing for attention. any of those would be defensible. but to turn it into a pissing contest about whose life is more difficult is silly and it makes you look petulant. that's the irony of indulging in this kind of oneupsmanship.

i have no reason to doubt that you've been through hell, but your experience is not the official standard unit of suffering, and to say that the only people who get your sympathy are those who have had it just as bad or worse than you've had it is just goofy.

I didn't mean to one up. I want no sympathy. I'd rather be hated than pitied.
there are always people who have it worse, but in my case...Ethan is not one of them.

I give sympathy to those who deserve it and don't go fishing for it on message boards.

[jannieC]

*Tap tap tap...is this thing on....?*


Am I in invisibity mode?

[golddustdrummer]

Originally Posted by jannieC

*Tap tap tap...is this thing on....?*


Am I in invisibity mode?

no, you're not.
I'm done with this thread.