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samthrax · #16 11-06-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by LikeAMagnet

I do agree though, saying its not Fleetwood Mac due to the absence of one band member is, you can dress it up as much as you like but basically, ignorance..

In the same vain as your post, can't the REAL Fleetwood Mac be different for everyone and not just ignorant?

Mirage has grown on me but I still don't think it's a great album at all. "That's Alright" and "Oh Diane" continually battle each other for "worst song on my itunes".

goldustsongbird · #17 11-06-2009, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by samthrax

In the same vain as your post, can't the REAL Fleetwood Mac be different for everyone and not just ignorant?

Mirage has grown on me but I still don't think it's a great album at all. "That's Alright" and "Oh Diane" continually battle each other for "worst song on my itunes".

samthrax · #18 11-06-2009, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by goldustsongbird

I just played the song to make sure I was talking about the correct song. I was. The first note just gives me the creeps. heh. I'm better off just ignoring it and pretending it doesn't exist.

goldustsongbird · #19 11-06-2009, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by samthrax

I just played the song to make sure I was talking about the correct song. I was. The first note just gives me the creeps. heh. I'm better off just ignoring it and pretending it doesn't exist.

But... but... I thought everyone liked this song.

It's one of the best from Mirage.

samthrax · #20 11-06-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by goldustsongbird

But... but... I thought everyone liked this song.

It's one of the best from Mirage.

haaa. I'm new to the party. The sarcasm was lost on me. < /obvious statement>

daniellaaarisen · #21 11-06-2009, 11:24 PM

Time for me, definitely. In terms of albums with the full Rumours lineup, I can't really pick one... I like Fleetwood Mac, Rumours and Tusk more than I like Mirage and Tango in the Night but there are enough gems on those two albums that I still see them as quality works as a whole. I mean, "Love In Store", "Hold Me", "Gypsy", "Stand Back, "Isn't It Midnight", "Big Love", "Family Man" (I know I'm crazy, but I like the production), "Seven Wonders" (on good days)....

markolas · #22 11-06-2009, 11:49 PM

Keep in mind, I have never owned Mirage, Behind the Mask, or Time - so I'm not considering them.

For me, the "worst" is Say You Will, mainly by default because I really love FM, Rumours, Tusk, Live, TITN, and The Dance. I remember loving SYW when it first came out, but now I see a lot of the negatives. I don't like that Christine (for the most part) isn't on it, and I don't care for most of Stevie's songs. I didn't care for her songs on TITN either, but on SYW they make up half the album, and that hurts it a lot.

I've always intended to pick up Mirage & BTM at some point, but it's never happened. I'm not too terribly interested in Time (maybe CM's contributions, but that's about it).

ILoveFM · #23 11-06-2009, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by daniellaaarisen

Time for me, definitely. In terms of albums with the full Rumours lineup, I can't really pick one... I like Fleetwood Mac, Rumours and Tusk more than I like Mirage and Tango in the Night but there are enough gems on those two albums that I still see them as quality works as a whole. I mean, "Love In Store", "Hold Me", "Gypsy", "Stand Back, "Isn't It Midnight", "Big Love", "Family Man" (I know I'm crazy, but I like the production), "Seven Wonders" (on good days)....

Same here. Time and Behind the Mask actually . From BTM, I love Affairs of The Heart, Freedom, and Skies the Limit, but that's about it. And Time just isn't very good at all. As for 'Rumours' line-up, I agree with you Dani. I can't really choose one. I really love them all.

belladonnadream · #24 11-07-2009, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ILoveFM

Same here. Time and Behind the Mask actually . From BTM, I love Affairs of The Heart, Freedom, and Skies the Limit, but that's about it. And Time just isn't very good at all. As for 'Rumours' line-up, I agree with you Dani. I can't really choose one. I really love them all.

I don't own Time or know much about it so I guess I can't add that album in with my consideration . ...but I guess if we're talking Rumours Lineup and BTM lineup...I would have to say BTM album for the stinker. I like some of Stevie's contribution's better on BTM then Tango...like Freedom, but as a whole I liked Tango better...I really like Big Love and Christine's contribution's on this album over Rick and Billy's on BTM....though I've always been partial to Stevie. Plus Tango seemed to have more of the older Big Mac aura surrounding it... it was the last of the glitz before Lindsey left...they got a little stale after that till Lindsey came back for the Dance.

louielouie2000 · #25 11-07-2009, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by chiliD

The REAL Fleetwood Mac is: Peter Green, Jeremy Spencer, Danny Kirwan, John McVie, Mick Fleetwood

If we really want to play the technicality game, John McVie cannot be included in that list, as he wasn't a full time member in Fleetwood Mac when the band was formed.

Using your logic, Stuart Sutcliffe is a REAL member of the Beatles, and Ringo Starr is not. Millions of Beatles fans across the world would raise hell at that suggestion however (though I suspect the really hard core ones would agree).

My point is, we can be technical all we want, but the reality is the most successful lineup of any one band is what the world considers to be the real deal. I almost wish the band had changed names when Lindsey and Stevie joined, because that incarnation of the band was so very disconnected from the band's roots. But in their own way, Fleetwood Mac did just that: by simply titling the 1975 album Fleetwood Mac, they were making a statement that this was definitively a new band.

My take on post 1975 Fleetwood Mac is this. For better or worse, the band entered a new realm of success that year, effectively rendering all previous incarnations of the band null and void. In my personal opinion, so long as greater than 50% of the 1975 members of the band are present, you can call it Fleetwood Mac. With the Time album, 60% of the band was still in tact, so I definitely agree that it is a link in the Fleetwood Mac chain. However, the Time tour only had 40% of the lineup present, so I don't consider it to be the real deal. We can all argue semantics forever and twist technicalities to fit our own definitions, but the definition of real Fleetwood Mac is subjective, and can really only be defined by the individual fans themselves. I think once you reach a certain level of success and fame, your name is no longer your own, but belongs instead to the public domain. But that's just my two cents... and they are worthless to anybody but myself!

GypsySorcerer · #26 11-07-2009, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by daniellaaarisen

Time for me, definitely. In terms of albums with the full Rumours lineup, I can't really pick one... I like Fleetwood Mac, Rumours and Tusk more than I like Mirage and Tango in the Night but there are enough gems on those two albums that I still see them as quality works as a whole. I mean, "Love In Store", "Hold Me", "Gypsy", "Stand Back, "Isn't It Midnight", "Big Love", "Family Man" (I know I'm crazy, but I like the production), "Seven Wonders" (on good days)....

Agreed. I would have to say Time as well, though I like a few of Christine's songs. And aside from Welcome to the Room...Sara and Whatsamattababy, I think Tango is great. Yes, I even like Family Man, Caroline, and Mystified.

gypsy4life · #27 11-07-2009, 09:57 AM

One word------TIME

chriskisn · #28 11-07-2009, 10:01 AM

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One word------TIME

*throws hands up in despair*

GoldDustWoman87 · #29 11-07-2009, 10:15 AM

Well... I suppose it would be 'Mirage'. However, I do like some of the songs on Mirage. Gypsy is one of my all-time favourite FM songs. I can't help liking Can't Go Back. And Hold Me is a great tune, really feel-good. However, the album as a whole just doesn't sound very... coherent? If that's the right word to use.

A few people mentioned 'Tango'. I happen to adore 'Tango' and Welcome To The Room... Sara is one of my favourite Stevie songs.

Go figure! I guess variety really is the spice of life.

chriskisn · #30 11-07-2009, 10:16 AM

It is all the same band...there isn't a REAL Fleetwood Mac, there is one band called Fleetwood Mac, forty-two years, sixteen members, thirteen vocalists (not including Mick), numerous albums, etc.

I can't draw the line in the sand like so many other members can. For me, it is just the evolution of a band, I can't ignore part of the history, I can't ignore part of the back catalogue.

Sure some eras were more popular than others, some members more popular than others, but they are still all one and the same...

It is like watching a long-running TV series, over the years the characters change, the storylines change, the ratings figures rise and fall, the writing team changes, the production team changes, but it is still the same TV series.

One of the problems I see on the Ledge is that these artificial divides occur between pre-rumours, rumours and post rumours. I know there are there for ease of discussion, but sometimes a discussion topic can cover several forums...

To those who have never listened to anything earlier or later than the Rumours period, you should give it a go, you might find something you like.

(I'm listening to Heroes Are Hard to Find as I type - one of the best albums ever to be released by FM).