Everybody Finds Out

[goldustsongbird]

One of the stand out songs on SYW for me. The rest...

[Ghost_Tracker]

Originally Posted by gypsy4life

I'm in love with this song!! I have not had the Say You Will album for a very long time, so, several of these songs were new to me. I was listening to it at work today, and this song ended up on repeat for SEVERAL rounds. I even went as far as going to Stevie's website and printing off the lyrics to read along (so as not to miss a word..lol).

!!

I love this song for several different reasons. For one thing I think it's brilliant musically. And it's very energetic and fast-moving and shows very well that Stevie can still rock. But I also love the mystery - i.m.o. the Lindsey/Stevie do they don't they love/hate thingy could have easily died down, but Stevie? She's like, "Hmmm - there's a tiny little spark here - so let's pour ROCKET FUEL all over it right next to a 2,000 pound BOMB and then take a BLOWTORCH to it - JUST for kicks and giggles (and because I'm Stevie Freaking Nicks and I can...) " It added mystery and drama to the album - which you KINDA-sorta expect from Fleetwood Mac.
So yeah, she "knew her job and she did it" - but still - VERY well-done, i.m.o.

Also, I simply love the line,
"When love starts out in the darkness
It doesn't do well in the light
Affairs of the heart
That start out in the dark
Usually stay with the night."
And as I recall, that's kinda more SCREAMED at the top of her LUNGS than sung. As in, "Ohmy GOD John call the cops, call the cops NOW!..." Definitely had stage potential, methinks, in the same way as Silver Springs...

[gypsy4life]

OK, after a couple days to think about it..I'll go ahead and say this IS my favorite song off the Say You Will album.

[Sahara]

Originally Posted by daniellaaarisen

The last minute or so of this song is a slice of genius.

Absolutely, there's a really wonderful sense of climax. The lyrics and how they're sung have a nice vicious quality to them ... great stuff, a definite highlight on SYW. What a great album, I need to listen to it all the way through again.

[Sahara]

Originally Posted by GoldDustBoy

That's what the back up singers are for.

Or Lindsey. I loved his vocal parts on EFO and he could have taken those lines in a live version, like a duet. I think that might have added something extra to the drama of the song (as if any more was required!)

[Lori40]

If this song was written after the dance, it could be about Kristen and Lindsey. Someone in another thread (sorry, I'm too lazy to look it up now) said that Kristen was married to a record exec at WB when she and Lindsey started seeing each other.

[StreetAngel86]

Originally Posted by Lori40

If this song was written after the dance, it could be about Kristen and Lindsey. Someone in another thread (sorry, I'm too lazy to look it up now) said that Kristen was married to a record exec at WB when she and Lindsey started seeing each other.

Stevie is a delicious bitch isn't she...if this is true

[TheWILDheart]

this song is my absolute fav on SYW. I love everything about it - the lyrics, the energy, the production, the melody, Stevie & Lindsey's vocals. I think it really should have been a single as it really demonstrates how the mac can still sound like the mac but also be incredibley current - the whole SYW album for me was fantastic because it was still sounded like FM but wasn't and hasn't dated at all. The "ah...ah...ah" in the background on the chorus is classic mac and the harmonies between Liddy B and Stevie are lush. All in all, my favourite SYW track. I can't get enough of it

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by TheWILDheart

I think it really should have been a single as it really demonstrates how the mac can still sound like the mac but also be incredibley current -

Or, still sound like the mac, but also be incredibly eighties!

I do think the song sounds dated, but that doesn't keep me from loving it. Plus, what's dated on an album still comes alive in concert, where you just respond to the live sound and aren't worried about categorizing it.

Michele

[Nikolaj]

My absolute favorite song on the cd is EFO. I was passionate about it when it was released, did everything I could do to help get it noticed, including using old contacts
to get to 'the two Lizzes'-- ha- Liz Rosenberg, and Liz Smith, which I did. Ms. Smith may seem an unlikely or unneccessary person to go to, but, she'd been one of the very few helpful columnists or helpful anyones in the year 2000 when I was hired to help do damage control (unsuccessfully) over an impossibly heartbreaking, high profile, media disaster*.
My most 'gothic' attempt to get EFO it's due was to leave a message for SN herself through Liz Rosenberg- I was warned to 'be brief'-- not my strongsuit (!) so I said: (and yes, this is brief, for me!)--
"Congratulations on the entire cd, but especially for the triumphant track 15- it's time 'Everybody Finds Out' that you have found your new "Rhiannon," your new "Stand Back,' like those two classics, "Everybody Finds Out" will become a signature, career song. It's great!"
(Gosh, I hope I worded it better than that, but it's close. I recall 'keep it under 50 words' as being a directive when I relayed I'd been told to 'be brief')**.
I hadn't been this excited about any new song by anyone, in years, and wanted to try to help the 'Say You Will' cd rebound, and to relay to the band that they outdid themselves with a musical setting so able to cross multi-radio-airplay formats, and that it was ripe for remixes ala Stevie's solo 'Planets' success.
In a followup phone call, I asked that should LR sometime soon have SN's ear, to explain that the song; vocally, musically, and with the most intricate, amazing lyrics, was a masterpiece that could bring Fleetwood Mac an entire new generation of fans.
I'm told SN got the messages.
Flattery, I found, will get you nowhere
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* this refers to 'Return To Love'- a brilliant concert tour, completely misunderstood, which lasted just 12 dates (out of 40) before it was cancelled. The career of the headliner of the tour, Diana Ross, has never really recovered, here in the States. The best word I can use to describe her is "gentle", which surprises many. Last month, she performed 2 nights before an audience of 23,000 each night, the same week Fleetwood Mac had begun their UK leg, they were in very close proximity of each other, I believe. I want to say Norway, but need to look it up.

** the 'contacts' I refer to date back to late 1998, during which time I'd been hired to assist with promotion (with them) for a Warner Brothers Records release, that would eventually become the #1 selling single of the year, for 1999, which is why I still had any remaining "cache" at all in 2003, as it was the most unlikely hit, maybe ever, to go on to make a zillion, trillion dollars for Warner Bros., with worldwide sales of more than 12 million copies sold. OY!
(Talk about 2 polar opposites of public relations, 'Believe' and 'Return To Love').

I still think 'Everybody Finds Out' would have been huge. It's "a zillion, trillion" times better than 'Believe' ever was, and I felt Stevie Nicks (and Fleetwood Mac) could have followed a very similar success story via that song. Wasn't meant to be, too bad. There were other Ledgies, too, screaming at the top of their lungs to get the song released, and more Ledgies, who felt it was dated and should have been a SN solo song. I thought it was a great track for Fleetwood Mac. Also love the 'center channel' mix of Lindsey singing without SN "I know he loves me, every day he calls me, he says he adores me, what can I say?"-- he sounds incredible! (That version, for sure, could have been on a maxi-cd single and gotten tons of play in gay clubs!) Ha- I think I just heard the sound of LB fans gathering up a lynch mob for me!

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Nikolaj

Also love the 'center channel' mix of Lindsey singing without SN "I know he loves me, every day he calls me, he says he adores me, what can I say?"-- he sounds incredible! (That version, for sure, could have been on a maxi-cd single and gotten tons of play in gay clubs!) Ha- I think I just heard the sound of LB fans gathering up a lynch mob for me!

I love Lindsey throwing in the "baby" for the anywhere we can part. SnL singing taunts together -- doesn't get much better.

Michele

[Sahara]

^^ It really doesn't! And this is one song where I think the harmonies have a tension all of their own that I can't really put my finger on ... maybe it does lie in the subtle differences like that.

[Christopher]

I agree, When I 1st heard this song BURIED towards the end of the CD, I was completely blown away, the chorus was off the hook, the Stevie attitude was back, and the climax was eye-poppin!!! This was easily the best Stevie Nicks radio-friendly song: solo or with the Mac since Stand Back!!! It had the energy, the fast tempo.... and the hooks.

Yes, there were the naysayers saying that it sounded RETRO....but they still loved it. I was more AMAZED that Fleetwood Mac recorded something so blatently dance/pop, something that did sound lifted from a mid-80's Stevie Nicks solo outing. (as a side note, this song was written with longtime Stevie co-writer R. Nowles in 1999, for possible inclusion on TISL, copyrighted at the time under the name "In The Darkness"

In 2003, when SYW was released, This song along with RTTG sounded retro in a No Doubt /Gwen Stefani way. esp if your familiar with some of the "Rock Steady" or Tragic Kingdom tracks.

It's a shame they buried it towards the end of the disc....
This is one of the many examples of where I agree with Stevie, and understand her hesitation about undertaking a new FM recording. The sequencing of SYW sucked in a big way. As a die hard fan I was happy to recieve so much new material, but the flow of the CD was flawed & awkward. Although I was happy to greedily devour all these new recordings including the bonus tracks, I knew the CD was essentially 2 solo outings slapped together.

I'm hoping the next FM disc (fingers-crossed) is more cohesive, and edited down to a solid 12-13 tracks...6 from each writer, and hopefully at least 1 collaboration. I also think they need an outside producer in addition to Lindsey & Stevie to bring in some balance. If Lindsey agree's to this, I have no doubt that Stevie would do another FM record in a minute....I feel she holding out right now because she wants more production and song selection imput, and rightly so after they way SYW turned out.

[Nikolaj]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I love Lindsey throwing in the "baby" for the anywhere we can part. SnL singing taunts together -- doesn't get much better.

Michele

So true, yes.
Michelej1, with one L, if you don't mind a lot, could you tell me if you are the same Ledgie as the Michelle with two L's? Both of you have close to 7,000 messages each on The Ledge, and I was certain you were two different writers (so, in that case, people ... but lately, I haven't seen the 2 LLed Michelle on The Ledge for a cpl weeks, so I'm starting to think now maybe you're both the same person, but I really didn't think so.
The 2 LLed Michelle is an excellent writer, as you are, also, which adds to my confusion. Could 2 different Miches (le and lle) both possibly have nearly 7,000 Ledge messages? Dueling Micheles! Maybe the other Michelle has carpel tunnel? Maybe there's only one of you? What's going on? I need a Xanax
If you don't want to answer, that's ok, I can remain unsure, I don't mind. It's not the first time... About a month ago, but I found it very easy that time, I was able to discern between two GldDstWmn's, I don't think I ever got confused, but I was told I performed a Ledge Public Service by pointing out the difference to a couple who were confused.
Well, one L'ed Michele, I just like to try to know what I think I know about who I think I'm reading. I'd ask the 2 LLed Michelle, but like I said, I don't think she's been here recently, and I sense she may get annoyed and you may not

A little help?

[daniellaaarisen]

Originally Posted by Nikolaj

So true, yes.
Michelej1, with one L, if you don't mind a lot, could you tell me if you are the same Ledgie as the Michelle with two L's? Both of you have close to 7,000 messages each on The Ledge, and I was certain you were two different writers (so, in that case, people ... but lately, I haven't seen the 2 LLed Michelle on The Ledge for a cpl weeks, so I'm starting to think now maybe you're both the same person, but I really didn't think so.
The 2 LLed Michelle is an excellent writer, as you are, also, which adds to my confusion. Could 2 different Miches (le and lle) both possibly have nearly 7,000 Ledge messages? Dueling Micheles! Maybe the other Michelle has carpel tunnel? Maybe there's only one of you? What's going on? I need a Xanax
If you don't want to answer, that's ok, I can remain unsure, I don't mind. It's not the first time... About a month ago, but I found it very easy that time, I was able to discern between two GldDstWmn's, I don't think I ever got confused, but I was told I performed a Ledge Public Service by pointing out the difference to a couple who were confused.
Well, one L'ed Michele, I just like to try to know what I think I know about who I think I'm reading. I'd ask the 2 LLed Michelle, but like I said, I don't think she's been here recently, and I sense she may get annoyed and you may not

A little help?

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