Stevie and Don "Hotel California"

[daniellaaarisen]

Originally Posted by Black_Moon

While I respect your point of view, unless there is a direct quote from one of the Eagles saying 'none of our songs are about any members of Fleetwood Mac', I'll always think that there's a chance. Especially as Stevie slept with most of them.

Agreed, completely. I think the parallels are definitely worth considering.

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by Black_Moon

Stevie slept with most of them.

That sounds so romantic. It's amazing how we forgive her faults because she's a major hottie.

[brysondt]

Originally Posted by vivfox

That sounds so romantic. It's amazing how we forgive her faults because she's a major hottie.

Faults? I'd say that may have been a talent of Stevie's, haha.

[daniellaaarisen]

Originally Posted by vivfox

That sounds so romantic. It's amazing how we forgive her faults because she's a major hottie.

Yet another thing I admire about Stevie-- her entire ordeal with men over the past 30 years has made me respect her more. She doesn't seem to define herself by the relationships in her life and consequently chooses to do what she wants despite of the social repercussions.

She rules her life like a skylark even when the sky is starless.

So much of my admiration for "Rhiannon" comes from that feminine independence fueled by knowing that you are the best kind of "different" a woman can be.

...I always end up getting super pyschological on random posts. My bad.

[Erin]

Originally Posted by Black_Moon

While I respect your point of view, unless there is a direct quote from one of the Eagles saying 'none of our songs are about any members of Fleetwood Mac', I'll always think that there's a chance. Especially as Stevie slept with most of them.

In terms of the album Hotel California, if it came out in 1976 and the songs were presumably written in 1975, I'm pretty sure Stevie hadn't met any of the members of the Eagles yet. She certainly wasn't dating Don at that point, she was still with Lindsey! Plus in 1975 did Fleetwood Mac/Stevie/Lindsey have the kind of reputation for excess that it gained after Rumours? The white album tour was pretty short. So I'm in the I don't think any of the songs on this album are about Stevie and/or Lindsey. Anything written after that could certainly be fair game.

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by Erin

In terms of the album Hotel California, if it came out in 1976 and the songs were presumably written in 1975, I'm pretty sure Stevie hadn't met any of the members of the Eagles yet. She certainly wasn't dating Don at that point, she was still with Lindsey! Plus in 1975 did Fleetwood Mac/Stevie/Lindsey have the kind of reputation for excess that it gained after Rumours? The white album tour was pretty short. So I'm in the I don't think any of the songs on this album are about Stevie and/or Lindsey. Anything written after that could certainly be fair game.

I think the band certainly was drinking plenty in 1975 as the Brits in the band had already been for years.They probably did some blow too on their first tour but the big bucks didn't start rolling in until the following year "Over My Head" started climbing the charts at the end of 1975.Remember at the start of the 1975 tour they were touring in an old station wagon .

[starshine]

Yeah, but isn't the 'demo' for Leather & Lace from 1975....when Stevie stated her & Don recorded L & L....since it was for Waylon & Jess.....they were going together than....of course we all know how Stevie is with dates etc.....but .....I am an Eagles fan......mostly they base there songs as a whole.....not saying that there isn't some infulence etc.....I myself haven't read any articles stated something is or isn't specificly about Stevie etc. I guess we'll not ever know really......I think they try to make things about all people......so the song isn't pegged for meaning just one thing.....go to Songfacts.com......its a great website for info.....whether its all 'true' or not who knows but its an interesting read.......

[Erin]

Originally Posted by starshine

Yeah, but isn't the 'demo' for Leather & Lace from 1975....when Stevie stated her & Don recorded L & L....since it was for Waylon & Jess.....they were going together than....of course we all know how Stevie is with dates etc.....but .....I am an Eagles fan......mostly they base there songs as a whole.....not saying that there isn't some infulence etc.....I myself haven't read any articles stated something is or isn't specificly about Stevie etc. I guess we'll not ever know really......I think they try to make things about all people......so the song isn't pegged for meaning just one thing.....go to Songfacts.com......its a great website for info.....whether its all 'true' or not who knows but its an interesting read.......

The demo might be from 1975, but does that mean she recorded with Don then, or later? I'm thinking later, but of course I don't know for sure. For some reason I really don't think she had met Don by then. Where's an Eagles expert when you need one? I imagine it's probably in Don's biography when they met, but I haven't read it.

[starshine]

Originally Posted by Erin

The demo might be from 1975, but does that mean she recorded with Don then, or later? I'm thinking later, but of course I don't know for sure. For some reason I really don't think she had met Don by then. Where's an Eagles expert when you need one? I imagine it's probably in Don's biography when they met, but I haven't read it.

I don't think he has a biography yet/Don Henley? At least I don't know of one. Don Felder does which I've read......interesting to say the least but thats a whole another story......I think they were going out in '75 but like I stated I'm no expert on the Eagles....even if I am a fan........maybe one day we'll find out??

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by starshine

I don't think he has a biography yet/Don Henley? At least I don't know of one. Don Felder does which I've read......interesting to say the least but thats a whole another story......I think they were going out in '75 but like I stated I'm no expert on the Eagles....even if I am a fan........maybe one day we'll find out??

And then there is "Take it to the Limit" which does mention the Nicks/Henley romance several times.It is not very well written IMO and does mention the old stand by that "Sara " is about their aborted love child.

[Erin]

Originally Posted by starshine

I don't think he has a biography yet/Don Henley? At least I don't know of one. Don Felder does which I've read......interesting to say the least but thats a whole another story......I think they were going out in '75 but like I stated I'm no expert on the Eagles....even if I am a fan........maybe one day we'll find out??

But Lindsey and Stevie didn't break up until '76 right? Anyone? Anyone? I thought Don had a bio or maybe it was just an interview in a magazine because Stevie got mad at him for spilling the beans about her abortion. I literally just finished watching the classic albums Rumours doc (it's stormy here in Chitown today) and my impression was the official breakup occurred in '76, and for some reason I thought Stevie met Don on the Rumours tour. The old story of John and Mick pretending to send something to Stevie from Don because they knew she had a crush on him, but she hadn't actually met him at that point. Then she got to meet him right after that, or something. I don't think that would have happened on the White Album tour because she was with Lindsey. Does this sound familiar to anyone?

[starshine]

Originally Posted by Erin

But Lindsey and Stevie didn't break up until '76 right? Anyone? Anyone? I thought Don had a bio or maybe it was just an interview in a magazine because Stevie got mad at him for spilling the beans about her abortion. I literally just finished watching the classic albums Rumours doc (it's stormy here in Chitown today) and my impression was the official breakup occurred in '76, and for some reason I thought Stevie met Don on the Rumours tour. The old story of John and Mick pretending to send something to Stevie from Don because they knew she had a crush on him, but she hadn't actually met him at that point. Then she got to meet him right after that, or something. I don't think that would have happened on the White Album tour because she was with Lindsey. Does this sound familiar to anyone?

I think I am recalling a BD interview of Stevie with Jim Ladd(Innerview 1981) & she talks about L & L and how the song was for Waylon & Jessie ....Waylon had asked her to write it and she stated that it was like 1975...she said whats on the Lp is very much like the 'demo' that her & Don had done in '75...and she states that she was seeing Don at the time & that he kinda helped her 'write' it ....loosey ....stated that he didn't 'write' it per say but if it sounded awful he'd tell her to start over again. Maybe someone can post it or its up on Utube? .....its hard to tell when Stevie broke up with people...it always seemed like a back & forth thing esp with Lindsey....isn't it 'rumoured' that her & Lindsey hooked up during Tusk again?? ....so I guess only they really know....The interview with Don was I think in GQ magazine like 1990 ....when he mentions about 'Sara' etc....I've also read the Take It To The Limit book....its ok as well......anyway.....thats my imput.....hope it helps........ Ps: I am going by memory on that Innerview above.....forgive me if I am wrong....thanks......

[Black_Moon]

Originally Posted by vivfox

That sounds so romantic. It's amazing how we forgive her faults because she's a major hottie.

I wasn't portraying it as a fault. I was just making a statement. I'm never going to understand how the men of Fleetwood Mac can get away with being totally sexually promiscuous, but when anyone mentions Stevie sleeping around it's called a fault.

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by Black_Moon

I wasn't portraying it as a fault. I was just making a statement. I'm never going to understand how the men of Fleetwood Mac can get away with being totally sexually promiscuous, but when anyone mentions Stevie sleeping around it's called a fault.

And that double standard still exists to this day..amazing.

[Black_Moon]

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

And that double standard still exists to this day..amazing.

And that's my feminist stand over with for today.