Mirage and Tango Remastered - Page 3

shackin'up · #31 06-23-2009, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1

I know what you mean about that last part. Little Lies is kind of a symbol of everything that people ridicule.

Michele

Well you pronounce it a lot better than I do as a nonnative speaker, but I think the song stinks for basicly THAT fact. I like Everywhere, though, because it's breezy and playful- very original and quite unusual in that matter.

And Don't Stop is simply a too good song: it's butchered and killed by the clintoncampagne: it has a wrong context-association now. But Back in 77? The song brought down the house on all continents, and was NOT considered as emptyheaded pop.

bucklind17 · #32 06-23-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1

Little Lies is kind of a symbol of everything that people ridicule.

Let's put it this way. I was five when Little Lies came out. I remember seeing that music video either around then or when I was a little older. When The Dance came out when I was in high school, I was shocked at how much enjoyed it because I thought I didn't like Fleetwood Mac, based on that song and video from when I was in KINDERGARTEN.

That said, I like it more now and I actually have converted quite a few people with that song. I just think it's funny that I had a pre-conceived notion of the band because of that song at such a young age!

iamnotafraid · #33 06-23-2009, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by shackin'up

I love Mirage. But it is definately not a masterpiece like Tusk.

You're right, it's definately not the masterpiece that Tusk is.
Mirage and Tango were big let downs critically speaking. A
little too commercial, sugary sweet, pop tunes.

I'm sure Lindsey enjoyed cashing the checks from these releases,
but as an artist, I'd bet he was very disappointed in the direction
the band was taking. Maybe he would have stayed on for the tour
to support Tango even with all the disfunction that was going on in
the band, if he'd have been proud of the music.

I like parts of Mirage and Tango, and they need a remastering for sure.
I just wish they'd have been better albums in the first place.

vivfox · #34 06-24-2009, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by shackin'up

Don't Stop is simply a too good song: it's butchered and killed by the clintoncampagne: it has a wrong context-association now. But Back in 77? The song brought down the house on all continents, and was NOT considered as emptyheaded pop.

I don't think it was performed on the Rumours Tour. But it was definately a hit on the Tusk Tour, especially with Christine's piano solo in the middle.

P.S. Straight Back was the BEST song on Mirage.

UCYOURGYPC · #35 06-24-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Isn't It Midnight, Mystified, Everywhere You And I Welcome to the Room...

man i love that album...

I couldn't have said it better!!!!!!!!! Let's not forget, When I see You Again...

UCYOURGYPC · #36 06-24-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jaycee

Hello fellow Ledgies! I was wondering if anyone might have heard about plans of Fleetwood Mac remastering Mirage and Tango in the Night... I'm aware that Rumours is being re-released again in September, but I'm not aware of any plans for the other ablums of 1975-87. (Just curious is all...)

When I 1st became a fan, Bella Donna, was the 1st album I bought toward it's yr long success after they released Edge of 17 as a single. So Mirage, was the 1st Fleetwood Mac album as I started getting into them, 2 weeks later it was released, and the Mirage Live Video I went to that show, and was there one of the 2 nights they filmed that show, it was amazing! But Mirage is very special to me...I would love an extended version, if you go back to The Chain Box Set, Goodbye Angel, Teen Beat & the extended version of Gypsy are on that from these sessions....I want a remastered version damnit! And yes, of TITN as well!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, but I have ENOUGH copies of Rumours already, Thank You!

David · #37 06-24-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TrueFaith77

Inquiring minds want to know: what do you consider the "good" stuff and what is the "junk"?

Gypsy & Hold Me & Book of Love are great tracks with marvelous orchestration & ideas, but something like Oh Diane, despite its sonic clarity & delineation, seems to evaporate while you're listening to it.

Stew_Matthews · #38 06-24-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by shackin'up

WHAT???????

They all agreed on the contributions of eachother!

Where is that written down or quoted that the band collectively agreed the tracks?

shackin'up · #39 06-24-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Stew_Matthews

Where is that written down or quoted that the band collectively agreed the tracks?

Because they are all in a band. They all brought out these recordings. Not under individual names, but under a bandname. So you should ask yourself: why should anybody question they did not agree to it?

The only exception is mabe SYW: that WAS a LB soloalbum. The deal WAS that that would be the pool of songs they were going to work with. BEFORE the definate recording started.

shackin'up · #40 06-24-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by vivfox

I don't think it was performed on the Rumours Tour. But it was definately a hit on the Tusk Tour, especially with Christine's piano solo in the middle.

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I meant that it was a smash-radio-HIT on all continents in 77.

Stew_Matthews · #41 06-24-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by shackin'up

Because they are all in a band. They all brought out these recordings. Not under individual names, but under a bandname. So you should ask yourself: why should anybody question they did not agree to it?

I guess I thought that the eventual albums would always be a compromise or a legal deal like SYW rather than an agreement. I read a lot of music biographies. Clapton talks about how he could never agree with others what was going on an album. I read that Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins came to blows over one Genesis album. And then Rick Davies and Roger Hodgson reached the point that one or other had to leave Supertramp primarily over the inclusion of 'Lord is it mine' on Breakfast in America - although Rick's wife was an issue too. Pink Floyd etc....you get the point.

I may have taken your point too literally but I always thought I'd like to be a fly on the wall when Fleetwood Mac were slating tracks for an album. I thought it would be a difficult process to decide what went on the album and what didn't.

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The only exception is mabe SYW: that WAS a LB soloalbum. The deal WAS that that would be the pool of songs they were going to work with. BEFORE the definate recording started.

Yes I think there was more of a legal framework around that album.

shackin'up · #42 06-24-2009, 05:01 PM

I still think that the california cocaine trilogy were all albums with all members agreeing on the content. Ofcourse there has been quarrels/fights about details, but i can't imagine that on member was against the publication of an album and despite that it could have been brought out. Back then, they still were a 'band', not a collection of managers.

Stew_Matthews · #43 06-24-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by shackin'up

I still think that the california cocaine trilogy were all albums with all members agreeing on the content. Ofcourse there has been quarrels/fights about details, but i can't imagine that on member was against the publication of an album and despite that it could have been brought out. Back then, they still were a 'band', not a collection of managers.

Cool - interesting point.

**jbrownsjr** · #44 06-24-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Gypsy & Hold Me & Book of Love are great tracks with marvelous orchestration & ideas, but something like Oh Diane, despite its sonic clarity & delineation, seems to evaporate while you're listening to it.

Yes!!! exactly...

David · #45 06-24-2009, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by shackin'up

I meant that it was a smash-radio-HIT on all continents in 77.

And there are a couple of shows we have recordings of from the beginning of the tour with Don't Stop, like Oklahoma City & Little Rock.

About the members agreeing on track lists for albums: Stevie Nicks is the only one I can remember who, in interviews over the years, ever complained about specific songs not being included on the Fleetwood Mac albums (or being neglected by the band for too many years before finally being recorded).

I remember her complaining a bit about why it took Fleetwood Mac so long to record That's Alright in her 1982 interview with Jim Ladd. In the interview, Mick said it was a great song, & Stevie said that "We always wanted to record it, but I don't know why we never did."

We all know about Silver Springs, but that was a special case pertaining to track length rather than a case of the rest of the band's deciding for some artistic reason not to include it.

Other songs she has mentioned in print or on radio, like What Has Rock & Roll Ever Done for You? or Smile at You, were described by her as having been band decisions to bypass. (For Smile at You, for example, Stevie said "It's not really where we're at" -- referring to the song's bitterness.)

I can't recall instances of any of the others complaining that any of their songs weren't recorded & released. Of course, that could all be a direct function of Stevie's relative lack of involvement & attendance during studio time.