Stevie's assistant, Karen.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by brysondt

Yeah, haha, she did keep saying that. I was like...ok ok, Karen is honest, and what? Lindsey never acknowledged that comment. That part is so hilarious to me on the dvd. But I'd have to say my most favorite Stevie moment from DR is when Lindsey is talking to her about "Thrown Down" and trying to get her to change the tense of a word and she just keeps saying "..but it's how I write, it's the way I write, it's the POE T that I am.." lol. I love it...Stevie...our little poet. But whats funny to me is the way Lindsey is trying to be very careful about the way he is talking to her, but she gets kinda defensive quickly. I love it, haha.

I know - and, all I could think of was CM's "Skies the Limit" and LB's own "Pretending that she dont care" from Bleed to Love Her. Not to mention Dylan himself had some awkward moments and none of those three are Dylan!

[Lala]

Originally Posted by brysondt

That part is so hilarious to me on the dvd. But I'd have to say my most favorite Stevie moment from DR is when Lindsey is talking to her about "Thrown Down" and trying to get her to change the tense of a word and she just keeps saying "..but it's how I write, it's the way I write, it's the POE T that I am.." lol. I love it...Stevie...our little poet. But whats funny to me is the way Lindsey is trying to be very careful about the way he is talking to her, but she gets kinda defensive quickly. I love it, haha.

Right after that she says something about... "you wouldn't tell Bob Dylan to change one of his songs" and you can just see Lindsey holding back...

"STEVIE, YOU ARE NOT BOB DYLAN!"

haha

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I've heard that Karen runs a tight ship around Stevie. She has been known to be snippy and stand-offish, but she's not the star, her only loyalty is to Stevie.

I know at some point she lived with Stevie, maybe she moved out, who knows. But she has lived with Stevie for awhile.

[dnightshade]

Originally Posted by LukeA

Stevie couldn't care less about fans' letters, teddy bears, artwork, stories, etc

This is completely and absolutely false!!! These things are precious to her and mean a great deal! The thought that goes into each and every gift cements the love and appreciation of fans and is what keeps her going, esp. on long, grueling and incredibly exhaustive tours! Any artist values these sorts of things, come on!

There are all sorts of "assistant" jobs, none are easy. Like with all employers, it all depends on who you're working for. Each position is unique. Some require constant availability and necessite traveling w your boss, etc. Other roles are more like telecommuting where you may not even be in the same state as the person most of the time but report in via the phone or e-mail or fax. Some jobs are as simple as scouting out media outlets and fansites and reporting back.

[brysondt]

I agree. I think Stevie really cherishes the stuff that us fans have for her. Obviously it's hard to take everything that everyone has, but I think she really does care about us. She's said it over and over in several interviews. I mean, she gave up a family life for this career and without us, she would have no career. She knows that, I am sure. Obviously this is just speculation, but to me, Stevie seems like such a sweet and caring person.

[paleshadow]

Originally Posted by brysondt

I agree. I think Stevie really cherishes the stuff that us fans have for her. Obviously it's hard to take everything that everyone has, but I think she really does care about us. She's said it over and over in several interviews. I mean, she gave up a family life for this career and without us, she would have no career. She knows that, I am sure. Obviously this is just speculation, but to me, Stevie seems like such a sweet and caring person.

I don't know if Stevie actually cherishes the objects that fans give her necessarily as much as the knowledge that people love her enough to want to give her things. It's more of the gesture that I think she appreciates.

[BellaDonna93]

Originally Posted by Lala

I'm pretty sure you can see her in one of the pics from the Landslide Slideshow (Landslideshow?) from the Soundstage DVD, but you'd probably have to know what she looks like to notice.

In DR she even has a speaking role, during one of Stevie and Lindsey's thrilling , heated discussions about lawyers and record companies.

And I love DR!!!!! That argument of fight of what we should call it is sooooo riddiculous!!!! Hahahaha!!!! And it's fun to watch!!!

[Lala]

Originally Posted by BellaDonna93

And I love DR!!!!! That argument of fight of what we should call it is sooooo riddiculous!!!! Hahahaha!!!! And it's fun to watch!!!

I showed it to a friend who is a fan but nowhere near as hardcore as I am, and it was almost a little embarassing at times. Kind of like when you watch a movie with your parents but forget about all the graphic sex scenes until they appear on the screen.

They can be a little whinny, but on the whole, it's a great thing for us to have on DVD.

[David]

Originally Posted by Lala

I showed it to a friend who is a fan but nowhere near as hardcore as I am, and it was almost a little embarassing at times.

I've never really known what that argument is about, or the details of its playing out. Could someone -- like Vanessa or Mish -- explain it step by step, providing the premises & conclusions necessary to understanding?

It has something to do with mixing a track or two, I take it?

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by David

I've never really known what that argument is about, or the details of its playing out. Could someone -- like Vanessa or Mish -- explain it step by step, providing the premises & conclusions necessary to understanding?

It has something to do with mixing a track or two, I take it?

Oh, I know you know perfectly well.

The conclusion is certainly that Chris Lord-Alge doesn't get to mix the tracks (other than the one, Destiny Rules, in the can). The unspoken premise is that Lindsey doesn't want Lord-Alge to mix them. Though Lindsey never says this and would, in fact, deny it. One gets from the premise to the conclusion by following a Goldberg diagram, studded with devices and contraptions which prevent the various players from: (1) communicating with one another directly, and (2) speaking their minds frankly during the indirect exchanges.

Karen is accusing Lindsey of delaying Lord-Alge's work by refusing to sign the mixing contract. Lindsey is offended by such calumny (and I myself would like to see Karen struck dead on the spot), calls his manager and cries that people are pointing fingers at them, causing Stevie to exclaim, "Lindsey!" Of all the mixing drama moments, I find that particular one the most delightful.

Michele

[strandinthewind]

^^

Also - LB voiced that he was worried that FM's work would get the brush over or not enough attention as CLA was very in demand at that time. To me, that did not make sense because La Nicks had been using CLA for well over a decade by then and La Nicks likely was somewhat responsible for CLA's success. So, I doubt CLA would have given FM's work only a once over as opposed to a full on treatment. I do think LB wanted not to spend the money, which also was a concern of John. LB wanted to do it himself. Interestingly, the GOS songs seemingly had already been remixed or at least a mix model had been determined. I also think LB in a way was being obstinate for no good reason because, to me, the mixes on the DR doc sounded good. But, in the end and much later, La Nicks said that only LB could mix the songs because only LB knew all nuances of the many sounds. So, I guess she changed her mind regarding the mixing as opposed to actual production, which she said she was not all that crazy about when compared to the demos.

Personally, I think LB's production of many aspects of La Nicks songs on SYW was not that great. So, maybe CLA would have improved those songs to these ears.

Note - other than what LB actually said in the doc. -- this is all my opinion only.

[michelej1]

I don't think Lindsey mixed the songs. Based on the liner notes and the doc Destiny Rules, I think Needham mixed them.

When he was talking to John, I believe Lindsey was talking about having them mixed again, rather than having them mixed in the first place. The $9000+ figure he was giving John was an additional option.

Michele

[David]

Originally Posted by michelej1

The conclusion is certainly that Chris Lord-Alge doesn't get to mix the tracks (other than the one, Destiny Rules, in the can). The unspoken premise is that Lindsey doesn't want Lord-Alge to mix them.

But the mix on "Destiny Rules" is the best mix on the album. The instrument levels are right where they should be. The delineation is matchless. All is balance, proportion, clarity. So if Buckingham didn't want that quality (let's call it ... oh ... perfection), then he was being perverse.

The question is, Why? Here's the direction in which my mind is wandering: Remember what Ken Caillat said about the guitar sound on "Tusk"? He said that Lindsey told him to distort the guitar until the attack & style were as different from "Rumours" as it was reasonably possible to be.

On "Say You Will," was Buckingham trying to avoid the clarity, compression, & balance that marked his engineering & production style in the past?

Karen is accusing Lindsey of delaying Lord-Alge's work by refusing to sign the mixing contract.

Why that bitch is even in the room, I'm sure I don't know.

Stevie Nicks & her umpteen Wormtongues. Had I been in the band, I'd have issued Madame Nicks the ultimatum a long time ago: "Either they leave, or you & they leave."

Friends, lovers, & spouses of band members should not interfere in the decisions a band makes. It's been said a million times by a million people -- because it's true. No good ever comes of it.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by David

But the mix on "Destiny Rules" is the best mix on the album. The instrument levels are right where they should be. The delineation is matchless. All is balance, proportion, clarity. So if Buckingham didn't want that quality (let's call it ... oh ... perfection), then he was being perverse.

Well, I'm sure Stevie agrees with you, then. I think she did a Sheryl Crow Mother's Day thing with this. We eventually saw her telling Lindsey that she wasn't going to use Chris because the album would take 2-3 months and Chris didn't have that kind of time open on his schedule. Lindsey, by contrast, said that they spent 4-5 days with Chris and he wasn't the guy, indicating that the quality of Chris' work wasn't any good -- at least in Lindsey's opinion. I think Stevie cited Chris' schedule as the excuse that he wasn't going to mix her songs,to be professional, the way she did in explaining why Sheryl Crow was not in the band. Lindsey on the other hand, would have trashed Chris, given half the chance, they way he did in explainng why Sheryl Crow was not in the band.

Interestingly, Lindsey said they DID go ahead and let Chris mix one of his songs. I wonder how that one turned out and which song it was that Chris mixed.

When Lindsey told John $9000 I got the impression that that was the cost not of all mixing but the cost of the sample mixing (the taste test) that they wanted to do. I thought that the experimental cost of letting each mixer do one of the other writer's songs as a test was the additional cost that Lindsey was quoting to John.

Originally Posted by David

Why that bitch is even in the room, I'm sure I don't know.

Oh, I hated it, but Stevie was trying to avoid arguing with Lindsey herself. So, they used a buffer. Lindsey, in turn, didn't confront her or Karen (and he shouldn't even stoop to arguing with Karen). Instead, he picked up the phone and brought Dimitriades into the mix, another buffer. Maybe they do this to avoid fights that might disable the whole tour. But there's no question that the use of intermediaries (necessary or not) muddies the process.

As to why Lindsey wants his songs to sound the way they do -- um, I'm still not sure why he embarassed me by whisper singing throughout all of UTS so that when I went proselytizing with the CD door to door, trying to convert unwashed heathen, they threw me out of their houses unceremoniously, repulsed by his croaking. His motives are a mystery.

Michele

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I don't think Lindsey mixed the songs. Based on the liner notes and the doc Destiny Rules, I think Needham mixed them.

When he was talking to John, I believe Lindsey was talking about having them mixed again, rather than having them mixed in the first place. The $9000+ figure he was giving John was an additional option.

Michele

Ahhhh - I forgot.

But, I do remember La Nicks saying that they left LB there and went to Hawaii so LB could mix the songs for those reasons.

Oh well.

Here is an audio of the doc.



They are talking about LB not wanting to give over his tracks and they lost a day.

I also do not get all the hate on Karen. She is just doing her job and handling those spoiled brats cannot be an easy thing to do