Miss California Controversy (from Rumours)

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Gypsy-Rhiannon

So what should she have done then? Lied about her beliefs?

No. She could have diplomatically stated that it should be left up to the states and been done with it.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

No. She could have diplomatically stated that it should be left up to the states and been done with it.

Exactly - diplomacy- which is what she was supposed to show by answering a tough question without being offensive, etc. She did not do that. She chose to answer it in an offensive manner to some. Therefore, she failed the test

Maybe her saline pack was leaking

In addition, these broads are schooled on what questions are going to asked and what the best diplomatic response would be. There is no way she did not know this was coming.

[jwd]

Originally Posted by sparky

When you get down to it, that is not about talent. Or intelligence.
It is about one thing and one thing only: the winner is the girl that more guys want to stick it in.

UMMMM YEAH! That's what Perez was thinking about when he cast his vote for whom he wanted to win!

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by sparky

Um. Wait. Does the opinion of anyone who is not blonde and not on television even matter in this culture?

no. which is why i stopped listening to you years ago.

I do not know that it energized anything at all. But I will get to that later.

she was fresh meat for them. that is what i meant.

He is a businessman. This is Hollywood. No speed limit, this is the fast line. Vomit, etc etc.

it's just the way that it is heeeeeyuh~

Well, no. They won't. The only thing that will change the minds of those people is knowing people they care about who are homos.
And sometimes not even that helps. Talk to my LDS friends who came out and had their entire families tell them they were effectively DEAD and refused to communicate with them.

BUT, most of the people who believe such things are so poisoned by misinterpreted and buffet style religious interpretations that they lost the concept of logic decades ago.



The real problem is that "marriage" has taken on a religious meaning in our cultural dictionary. Why? Um excuse me, it makes a ton of money for churches. It ultimately cannot have an exclusively religious connotation this country. Church and state? Atheists can get married in this country.

and infertile couples! and couples who have no intention to procreate! but that is a separate issue.

Hallelujah Bob. The word means nothing. The rights mean everything.

my name is not bob.

I agree completely.

His understanding of the history of marriage is embarrassing and colored by a post WW2 religious point of view. Hello Same Sex Unions In Pre Modern Europe:

http://www.amazon.com/Same-Sex-Union...4099370&sr=8-1

great, like i don't already have a 2-foot-high stack of books to read already.

I give him a punt on his logic, but he is hardly a scholar of history outside his education.

Nonetheless your reaction to his logic is valid.

still searching for my surprise face

Perez Hilton, though he may be an entertaining blogger, is a sorry, cliched, and pathetic example of a gay man. All he does is reinforce the sad stereotype that a gay man is nothing more than a woman who was sadly born into a man's body. He obsessed with fashion, style, body image, petty bickering, personal grooming, and idle gossip. He couldn't change a tire or turn off his gas meter in an earthquake to save his nearly worthless life. He is everything straight men spit on gay men for and rightly so. For the record, I doubt he would claim he has more testosterone in his body than Joan Jett has in her earlobe. And he shouldn't. He is a sorry excuse for a man.

He is merely a male.

and even that could be up for debate. do you have proof?

BUT, I applaud his stance. And I saw him next to me at a marriage march in downtown LA. He is a ridiculous queen but he puts his money where his lip glossed mouth is.

and vice-versa.

Yes. Ditch the loaded word and keep the rights. A commitment
is a commitment. Especially, but not exclusively, when it involves children.

si.

I do not know that she is hateful. She is surely stupid.

As is her manager, her attorney and her agent.

She is being USED my NOM and she is happy to be used.

is she still associated with them? i lost track.

She didn't really energize anything. She is being manipulated by a group of people who are on the wrong side of history and she is too deluded to know it.

see my point above.

What else does a runner up have to grab onto? She and her entire
machine missed the boat on this. This will result in 7 minutes of infamy.

And let the chips fall where they may.

Sure, she has gotten 1000% more press than any other also ran would have gotten. But did she and her staff never bother to do a google search on Anita Bryant?

they were too busy googling "what happens if you spill peroxide into a container of vaseline?"

No doubt about it. She is as dumb as an empty wig box.

that never gets old.

Anyone with a 6th grade education can see that. She is the classic
example of 'give her enough rope and she will hang herself.'

Oh, but let us just for a moment examine the hypocrisy angle.

Just for fun.

i have nothing to add. but my pom poms are in the shop with my surprise face so all you get is one of these.

Originally Posted by jwd

UMMMM YEAH! That's what Perez was thinking about when he cast his vote for whom he wanted to win!

i don't know how to adequately express how inane this post is without getting bant, so i'll leave it at that.

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

As for people getting angry with her - of course they have a right to attack her for what she said. Free speech cuts both ways. Moreover, if she had said that blacks should not be able to marry whites, we would not be having this discussion and almost everyone, save for some racists, would be attacking her.

of course people have the right to express their anger. but whether it is prudent is another matter.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by carrie721

of course people have the right to express their anger. but whether it is prudent is another matter.

Very few rights were ever given to any sect that did not at least get angry much less have have an uprising - see MLK, Stonewall, etc. In the end, anger is anger and it will come forth -- though, I will say this, with six states on board and others likely to fall in line with, at least, civil unions, this has been a relatively peaceful gain of rights to that extent

As for

Originally Posted by carrie721

my name is not bob.

-- perhaps not, but it is what your head does in the local bar while swilling beer from the can with a bad hairdo(could you at least move away from the mullet )

[jwd]

Originally Posted by carrrie 721

Quote:
Originally Posted by jwd
UMMMM YEAH! That's what Perez was thinking about when he cast his vote for whom he wanted to win!

i don't know how to adequately express how inane this post is without getting bant, so i'll leave it at that.

You could have chosen to ignore it if you felt that way about it, but hey, whatever works for you.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by jwd

You could have chosen to ignore it if you felt that way about it, but hey, whatever works for you.

True - but, it seems obvious to me on a related point that she did something to stop Trump from canning her. I mean she clearly broke her contract in more than one way. Moreover, she made money (presumably without tipping out to The Donald, which I submit is a no no) and set herself up to make loads more - wait until the book deal and movie of the week get produced. Personally, I think she blew him. But, that is just speculation based on many a chick like her that I know

And, let's face it, most guys want to stick it in all the contestants

[jwd]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

True - but, it seems obvious to me on a related point that she did something to stop Trump from canning her. I mean she clearly broke her contract in more than one way. Moreover, she made money (presumably without tipping out to The Donald, which I submit is a no no) and set herself up to make loads more - wait until the book deal and movie of the week get produced. Personally, I think she blew him. But, that is just speculation based on many a chick like her that I know

And, let's face it, most guys want to stick it in all the contestants

You know Jason I don't even want to comment on that. It is just speculation as far as I'm concerned and is so far off topic from what the main issue is here. Whether or not Carrie Prejean retains her crown is of no consequence to me AT ALL. It's more a matter of free speech, civil discord, and civil rights to me.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by jwd

You know Jason I don't even want to comment on that. It is just speculation as far as I'm concerned and is so far off topic from what the main issue is here. Whether or not Carrie Prejean retains her crown is of no consequence to me AT ALL. It's more a matter of free speech, civil discord, and civil rights to me.

1. The U.S. Const. only guarantees no govt. shall restrict the right to free speech - though even that right is limited to speech tending to incite a riot, etc. As for general free speech, no one has the right, etc., not to expect people to react to what they say and clearly she knew she was stepping in it. Have you ever known anyone in one of these things - they literally go into beauty boot camp for weeks. With that much money riding on it, there is no way she did not know that question was in the pot. It does not take much to connect the dots.

2. Again, if she had said "no offense, but I do not think blacks should marry whites" - would you be civil toward her? Even if you personally would be, I suggest the cast majority of people would not be. Maybe you do not connect the two, but many people see it that way.

3. Civil rights are being denied - that tends to piss people off.

P.S. I still think she blew him

[jwd]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

1. The U.S. Const. only guarantees no govt. shall restrict the right to free speech - though even that right is limited to speech tending to incite a riot, etc. As for general free speech, no one has the right, etc., not to expect people to react to what they say and clearly she knew she was stepping in it. Have you ever known anyone in one of these things - they literally go into beauty boot camp for weeks. With that much money riding on it, there is no way she did not know that question was in the pot. It does not take much to connect the dots.

2. Again, if she had said "no offense, but I do not think blacks should marry whites" - would you be civil toward her? Even if you personally would be, I suggest the cast majority of people would not be. Maybe you do not connect the two, but many people see it that way.

3. Civil rights are being denied - that tends to piss people off.

P.S. I still think she blew him

You know what really baffles me about all of this. There is so much outrage against this BEAUTY PAGEANT CONTESTANT, who shares the same viewpoint as President Barack Obama, yet there is no backlash against him. I would think he would be a bigger fish to fry than Carrie Prejean. Why is this?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by jwd

You know what really baffles me about all of this. There is so much outrage against this BEAUTY PAGEANT CONTESTANT, who shares the same viewpoint as President Barack Obama, yet there is no backlash against him. I would think he would be a bigger fish to fry than Carrie Prejean. Why is this?

I agree. However, this idiot pissed off one of the more powerful people in the media on highly charged issue. Plus, pretty sells. If she had been some fat chick in a fat chick beauty contest. no one would bat an eye.

Also, I have always said Obama is dead wrong on this issue. But, considering the alternative was McCain and four more years of R rule - many forgive Obama on this point. Plus, people think that Obama was just saying that to get elected and he really wants to allow gay marriage. I think to some extent that in true. Time will tell.

Note - Perez also attacks Obama on this issue. But, the press runs with the big breasted bubble headed bleach blond that many of the so called true Christian men would cheat on their wives with in a minute. And, the press has been running stories on Obama's silence on this issue, though I think Obama said something today, which Perez attacked.

[jwd]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I agree. However, this idiot pissed off one of the more powerful people in the media on highly charged issue. Plus, pretty sells. If she had been some fat chick in a fat chick beauty contest. no one would bat an eye.

Also, I have always said Obama is dead wrong on this issue. But, considering the alternative was McCain and four more years of R rule - many forgive Obama on this point. Plus, people think that Obama was just saying that to get elected and he really wants to allow gay marriage. I think to some extent that in true. Time will tell.

Note - Perez also attacks Obama on this issue. But, the press runs with the big breasted bubble headed bleach blond that many of the so called true Christian men would cheat on their wives with in a minute. And, the press has been running stories on Obama's silence on this issue, though I think Obama said something today, which Perez attacked.

I'm really trying hard to understand this, but I would think that if you would let such an important issue as gay marriage rights slide, along with don't ask don't tell, with the President of the United States, that you wouldn't raise such a stink about a beauty pageant contestant giving her honest answer to a question posed to her, which has no bearing whatsoever on whether those rights will be granted or not. I REALLY don't get this!

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Very few rights were ever given to any sect that did not at least get angry much less have have an uprising - see MLK, Stonewall, etc. In the end, anger is anger and it will come forth -- though, I will say this, with six states on board and others likely to fall in line with, at least, civil unions, this has been a relatively peaceful gain of rights to that extent

it is in light of those successes that i deem the marches superfluous. and screaming matches are always pointless.

As for -- perhaps not, but it is what your head does in the local bar while swilling beer from the can with a bad hairdo(could you at least move away from the mullet )

hey! i don't waste my money on beer.

my head may bob some nights but my face is never near a beer can.

and as for my hair do ... if you only knew.

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by jwd

I'm really trying hard to understand this, but I would think that if you would let such an important issue as gay marriage rights slide, along with don't ask don't tell, with the President of the United States, that you wouldn't raise such a stink about a beauty pageant contestant giving her honest answer to a question posed to her, which has no bearing whatsoever on whether those rights will be granted or not. I REALLY don't get this!

if you can't see any connection between her actions and the anti-marriage movement despite the fact that she has openly aligned herself with NOM, then i guess you're not paying attention

furthermore, there is plenty of backlash against obama. again, i don't think you are paying attention.