FM European Tour in doubt?

Dodfather · #1 04-10-2009, 09:44 AM

Hi, how we all doin?

I've just been reading the latest post on nickslive.blogspot.com (by far the best source for news I've found!) and again I'm seeing posts about European dates being in doubt...

As a HUGE Man fan in the UK I'm getting fed up with the uncertainty - haha! I wish the band would just announce dates or either issue a statement saying that the tour will be US only. Keeping everyone waiting doesn't seem fair. Does anyone agree that in the economic times they keep mentioning it is more responsible to give people as much notice as possible so they can budget for a trip as best as possible etc?

I really doubt that there won't be any European/British dates. There have to be - I couldn't handle the disappointment if there weren't - haha! But seriously, half the band are English after all so it would be VERY bad form for them not to come to the UK/Europe. In fact, if they didn't come to the UK/Europe after all of this I'd be GUTTED and would be annoyed with them for not rewarding their fans! I'm sure there are plenty of people who agree?

Matthew · #2 04-10-2009, 01:52 PM

Well, I don´t understand that. They said at the beginning that they don´t tour because of earning money, but they do it for music! So why they are so interested in money... Mac´s and Stevie´s fan in US are really happy... but what about us... damn it...

I have never seen anyone of them... I´m big fan of Stevie, I doubt that she rejoined the group after SYW tour, and also I doubt that she will tour sometimes solo in Europe... but now, when they tour together again, I hope that they will come here and I´m gonna see her in concert... but I still cannot be sure...

Also, I don´t make any hopes, that they will do a concert here in Czech Republic, but it would´t be big problem to go to the Germany for me. But if they will stay only in US... i will be very angry.

SorcererJP · #3 04-11-2009, 09:05 AM

Well Stevie Toured the US a dozen times since she last was solo in Europe in 1989...always neglected the European fans. The Time-line-up came to Europe in 1994 and The Dance didn't. The SYW-tour was just a handful of shows in Ireland, UK and Germany. Not really a European tour...

Thanks to the internet we could read about it and everytime I got a little frustrated about all the euphoric chit-chat about it....

Alas, I also doubt that they will tour Europe this time and ever again. If they will, it would be in the fall I guess, because if they should, we just have to had all the dates announced so far already.

It just sucks ! So, to keep up with another thread...do not hold signs with songrequests, but please hold up signs with texts like: 'Do not fotget about our friends ouside the US'

The dance · #4 04-12-2009, 03:35 PM

I keep in mind that this is a Greatest Hits tour so this is a good time to come to countries they haven't been for a while.
Countries like Spain, Sweden, Italy, Holland, Belgium, Denmark...............
I hope to see them... Lets just wait and see.. If they will go on tour in europe than new dates will come soon...

DigYourGrave · #5 04-13-2009, 12:28 PM

Quite basically, I will be super-pissed. End of..

Its been 5 and a half years. Pull the finger out.

shackin'up · #6 04-13-2009, 03:41 PM

nothing has been confirmed yet. nothing has been denied either. They're walking on eggs. They are trying eachother out again in overviewable legs. They've played about 15 shows, three weeks off and then about 30 to go. I bet they just NOW decided if they will be doing shows abroad, and are giving the orders to start planning in these weeks. Or giving the order to hold back and first see how the first batch of the second leg will turn out.

It's all rumours, people, don't be impatient. They're coming over. Or not.

Tango · #7 04-13-2009, 04:17 PM

Matthew, I have to disagree a bit with you: this tour was set up precisely to make money, and not just for the art/music. MacMan posted this thread months ago:

Fleetwood Mac '09: Nostalgia, cash and a tale of two divas named Stevie and Lindsey:

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=39112

The high priced "I Love All Access," plus the additional (was it $200 or $250) money to shake Mick's hand made it fairly clear from the get go that this tour was about the money and art. I saw several Lindsey solo shows where he repeatedly mentioned needing to work with "the big machine" to get the capital he needed to continue doing what he wanted to do: SOLO work. I don't think Mick would be out hawking at Cosco's if it wasn't about the money.

What no one anticipated, when this tour was initially set up, was the sudden change in the global economy.

Dodfather · #8 04-13-2009, 04:23 PM

I take your point, and obviously there's nothing anyone can do until if and when dates are announced but I just hope that they give fans enough notice for European dates. Mist hugely successful bands (recent and upcoming tours include U2, Bruce Springsteen, Britney Spears and Madonna) announce dates far enough in advance to make it possible for the fans to budget for what is often a major trip away far enough in advance.

If the following FM dates are anywhere this summer or August then people really need to hear sooner rather than later. Personal dynamics of band members need to be a bit more of a secondary concern because they won;t have anyone to play to in the first place if people haven't been able to afford the trip.

It's all just getting a bit frustrating!

Dodfather · #9 04-13-2009, 04:26 PM

The change in the global economy isn't really sudden as far as this tour goes. Dates went on sale in March and problems were well underway then. They had been brewing for a LONG time and the economy has been as bad this for the entire of 2009.

I find it hard to believe that an enormous organisation like FM could not plan for the economic situation. We've all known about it for a long time.

LukeA · #10 04-13-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dodfather

The change in the global economy isn't really sudden as far as this tour goes. Dates went on sale in March and problems were well underway then. They had been brewing for a LONG time and the economy has been as bad this for the entire of 2009.

I find it hard to believe that an enormous organisation like FM could not plan for the economic situation. We've all known about it for a long time.

Exactly. They could have adjusted their expenses to bring ticket prices down from where they're at currently, but didn't.

Dodfather · #11 04-13-2009, 04:54 PM

It's not the prices of tickets as such that bother me. I'm prepared to pay to see the band and the bigger the band the more expensive the ticket - that's how it usually goes.

However, with the high ticket prices in mind they should give fans as much notice as possible so that they can comfortably meet those prices. That's the thing that's getting me.

LukeA · #12 04-13-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dodfather

However, with the high ticket prices in mind they should give fans as much notice as possible so that they can comfortably meet those prices. That's the thing that's getting me.

95% of ticket sales are processed with a credit card- the onus isn't (and shouldn't be) on the act to facilitate favorable financial arrangements, such as timing. In the end, you either can afford the ticket or you can't.

That said, many acts do prefer putting dates up on sale very far in advance, whether it be for strategic reasons or simply to collect on the interest that comes from holding onto the money that long.

gold_dust · #13 04-13-2009, 07:51 PM

As I said on the Steve board:

I would be seriously peeved if they didn't do Europe. I get that it costs money to tour the band, but it also costs money to see the band - and we don't have as nearly as much money to burn in our pockets as they do.

I never really understood why they didn't tour worldwide during the Mirage tour, and it's kind of a kick in the teeth to the worldwide fans who never got to see them, yet bought their album.

I don't believe money can be such an issue, especially when, collectively, they are worth as much as they are. If you're that into playing music, you ditch the unnecessary crap and do what you love. There's no need for excess, anymore. And, I really think touring before new material hasn't helped. If they release something after the tour's over, I'd seriously have to question to point of the tour to begin with. Not everyone has money to burn in their pocket, but at least with new material, we'd be getting something other than what they've been re-hashing for years on end. I'm really surprised that nothing from SYW is even in the set list. And, if no new material appears, this tour will seem like it was just for the sake of touring, and it may seem like a waste of money.

LukeA · #14 04-13-2009, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by gold_dust

I don't believe money can be such an issue, especially when, collectively, they are worth as much as they are. If you're that into playing music, you ditch the unnecessary crap and do what you love. There's no need for excess, anymore.

While I agree with you, Miss Nicks has made it clear that she needs $200K per show.

Phoenix · #15 04-14-2009, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by LukeA

While I agree with you, Miss Nicks has made it clear that she needs $200K per show.

and Mick and Saint Buckingham need SOMETHING, ANYTHING, MONEY PLEASE!
(i HATE when people try to pin it all on Stevie.

) I really would like them to tour Europe, just for you guys and for no other reason. I am tired of the touring, and want new music, and new projects.