Buckingham CARRIES Fleetwood Mac - Page 4

**jbrownsjr** · #46 03-09-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfontherun

Critics need to bash someone it is part of the game. Stevie is an easy target. Going after an easy target is kinda spineless if you ask me. Especially when one considers the fact that 99.9 % of the critics are male.
R&R is a man's world as Stevie has lamented many times.

Often times it wasn't bashing... just more praise of the other two...

**jbrownsjr** · #47 03-09-2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1

Christine is a woman and she rarely got bashed in the press.

Michele

That too...

wolfontherun · #48 03-09-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

That too...

She was already established, not the "front person" and welcomed the role she played behind her keyboard.

Again Stevie was an easy target in many ways.

wolfontherun · #49 03-09-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by D.W-Suite

Please, please stop feeding us this bull.

Please stop trying to bully others on this board.

wolfontherun · #50 03-09-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1

Christine is a woman and she rarely got bashed in the press.

Michele

What were they going to do bash both women in the group. One was enough. Now someone is going to say what about when C was the only female in the band, well that was a different time, they were not covered by the press a much as they were when Stevie joined.

D.W-Suite · #51 03-09-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfontherun

Please stop trying to bully others on this board.

I'm not trying to bully anyone, I just wish you made a proper argument.

D.W-Suite · #52 03-09-2009, 04:56 PM

Also, wolfontherun, have you ever stopped to think if maybe just maybe Stevie may have earned some of those poor reviews? And had nothing to do with her being 'an easy target'. I mean at times she was a complete mess. I'm not being biaised, perhaps you are.

DigYourGrave · #53 03-09-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

Wow... I would beg to differ on that! Say what you will about Mama's voice (and we all realize she does not display as much range on stage as before). But at least she is singing her songs in their original keys. On the other hand, many (if not most) of the songs featuring Lindsey on lead has been taken down a step or two. If that isn't a symptom of "suffering" I don't know what is.

I noticed that too actually. Bit of an eye opener.
I know we can all say Stevies got her back up singers cos she cant reach the Rhiannon or Gypsy high register, but as you said, at least shes singing the verses in the same key, which is impressive.

Lindsey's voice on the other hand is too raspy, too crackily and well, too aged to maintain this shouting he's doing. From the get-go of Monday Morning onwards he's totally straining it!

Quality over quantity in my opinion. While his guitar playing is still brilliant, his voice is nowhere near the quality it was for SYW tour, I think.

Kelly · #54 03-09-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Nico

My consensus is that no one has to "hold back" for Lindsey. Whether one does or gives their all, he will still shine. Lindsey is an amazing performer. Yes, he can ham it up on occasion (I loved the Tusk dance but whatever...), but these days he isn't quite. And he didn't on his solo tour. He's just an exceptional performer and has a great amount of stage presence and his playing abilities just soar. As for his voice, it's not what it was but I love it. I like Stevie's as well, but of the two I'd probably prefer Lindsey's because hers is a lot more flat and monotone to me. I am certainly not a technical expert in terms of what "key" someone is in or whether they are in this range or that...I just know what sounds good to me. No, Lindsey's voice is not what it was, but I believe it has preserved well. And I think Stevie sounds better now than she did on the SYW tour, which I honestly didn't think was a great moment for her.

I'm enjoying BOTH of them right now. Why must it always be this-one-or-that-one? I mean, yeah, Lindsey's my boy but I will totally give Stevie her deserved props. So many people come to FM shows to see her, she is a star, beautiful, and very talented. I like so many of her songs, love everything she did on Tusk and I think she's on a bit of an upswing lately so that's wonderful. I hope it continues and they really do embark on another album, with an outside producer. I can't write them off, and they deserve to have one more great album (though I did love SYW).

I agree. I enjoy Lindsey just as much, if not more, than Stevie. I love them both and prefer FM to either of them solo, but LB's recent ventures blew my socks off. I saw him many more times than I did Stevie in the last three years. He is just on fire and seems so content with life. Stevie can still enthrall me.....she still has her moments, but overall, I am really enjoying LB. For me, I think they both can bring out the best in each other lyrically and vocally. Neither needs to outshine the other...they are both brilliant in their own right. I do think their voices were meant to sing together!

DigYourGrave · #55 03-09-2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfontherun

Divas do not allow anyone to take the spotlight away from them, they only give it up willingly.

Eh, or leave go when its being wrenched out of their grip and they're tired of fighting for it.

michelej1 · #56 03-09-2009, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfontherun

What were they going to do bash both women in the group. One was enough. Now someone is going to say what about when C was the only female in the band, well that was a different time, they were not covered by the press a much as they were when Stevie joined.

Oh, they like to bash women, but a one-woman bash per band is their quota? Well, you've got almost all the excuses covered, but you forgot the fact that Stevie plays tambo. I think critics are notorious for their hatred of the tambourine.

Michele

shackin'up · #57 03-09-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DigYourGrave

I noticed that too actually. Bit of an eye opener.
I know we can all say Stevies got her back up singers cos she cant reach the Rhiannon or Gypsy high register, but as you said, at least shes singing the verses in the same key, which is impressive.

Lindsey's voice on the other hand is too raspy, too crackily and well, too aged to maintain this shouting he's doing. From the get-go of Monday Morning onwards he's totally straining it!

Quality over quantity in my opinion. While his guitar playing is still brilliant, his voice is nowhere near the quality it was for SYW tour, I think.

Singing is not about "key". It's about passion. Whatever you think about LB's voice, you can't say he's singing flat and uninspired on any song. THAT'S the whole diffference. Lindsey has NEVER been the great exceptional singer. And he strained his voice on every live tour ever done. It's always been the way he sings. Remember the sixteen screams from Not That funny on Fleetwood Mac Live? At thirty that sounds different then at sixty.

michelej1 · #58 03-09-2009, 05:36 PM

Well, who can forget Lindsey's frenzy on the Mirage video for The Chain. He's "running, running, running in the shadows" and Stevie is looking at him like he just might be insane.

He's always been like that. I always liked this review of the Us Festival which commented upon his howling tendencies:

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And Nicks, for all her self-indulgence, really is a charming live performer who reaches out to her audience with an extraordinary fierceness, as if she desperately needs reassurance that her music is loved.

By contrast, Buckingham is a witty dandy - his costume in the stifling heat of the US Festival was a tweed suit, vest and Panama hat - who phrases everything in an ironically distanced yowl. As a great admirer of Buckingham's eccentric solo album "Law and Order" (1981), I was prepared for a certain amount of manneristic excess, but Buckingham outdid himself last Sunday, plucking his guitar in a furious, spastic blur and yelling out delicate lyrics in a werewolf's croon.

http://bla.fleetwoodmac.net/index.ph...v2&id=546&c=18

Michele

DigYourGrave · #59 03-09-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by shackin'up

Singing is not about "key". It's about passion. Whatever you think about LB's voice, you can't say he's singing flat and uninspired on any song. THAT'S the whole diffference. Lindsey has NEVER been the great exceptional singer. And he strained his voice on every live tour ever done. It's always been the way he sings. Remember the sixteen screams from Not That funny on Fleetwood Mac Live? At thirty that sounds different then at sixty.

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Nobody would agree more than me than theres more to singing than singing on point. And I'm all for passion aswell. I just don't think he can maintain this decibel for the whole tour. I really don't. Those vocal chords aint gettin any younger and while I'm not saying he shouldn't give it his all for every performance (which he does, and which I always admire about him), we're only a week in and as somebody said previously said, already, "its not too pleasing on the ear".

Hmm, maybe Stevie doesn't want to compete with the howling actually.

michelej1 · #60 03-09-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DigYourGrave

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Nobody would agree more than me than theres more to singing than singing on point. And I'm all for passion aswell. I just don't think he can maintain this decibel for the whole tour. I really don't. Those vocal chords aint gettin any younger and while I'm not saying he shouldn't give it his all for every performance (which he does, and which I always admire about him), we're only a week in and as somebody said previously said, already, "its not too pleasing on the ear".

Oh, he can keep it up the whole tour. He did that for the SYW tour. He can scream endlessly. As far as what it's doing to his singing voice . . . Yes, he's lost a lot of that and I don't mind it, unless I have to listen to him croaking through Shut Us Down on Elizabethtown: The Sequel. That would be very painful. Other than that, I say let the larynx rip.

Michele