Sarah Palin (Alaska Gov) McCain's VP

[ashton]

Originally Posted by jannieC

Just wanted to clarify that at this time, no one has been banned. A temporary suspension has been put in place. Thanks!

So now everyone can look forward to someone claiming that they were denied their Right of Free Speech on a website. I can almost guarantee it.

Perhaps we should start a pool to predict when.

[jannieC]

Originally Posted by ashton

So now everyone can look forward to someone claiming that they were denied their Right of Free Speech on a website. I can almost guarantee it.

Perhaps we should start a pool to predict when.

This website has clear rules against personal attacks. Hopefully what we all have to look forward to in this thread is spirited and respectful debating without resorting to name calling and insulting posts.

[skcin]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

This is why I never try to convince anyone. It never does anyone anygood.. People have their own mindset and belief system. Thank GOD we live in a country that allows us all to differ in that respect.

I was able to convince 1 person, 1 time in my life. He argued that gay people choose to be gay. I asked him to confirm with me that he thought we are all born exactly the same & make the sexuality choice later in life. He did. I asked him when he made his choice to be straight. That ended that debate.

[vivfox]

I just opened this up for the first time, here on page 12. So keeping that in mind I'm not here to offend anyone. I found this pic on the net today and want to post it just cause I think it is funny, not anything to do with taking sides politicly.

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by vivfox

I just opened this up for the first time, here on page 12. So keeping that in mind I'm not here to offend anyone. I found this pic on the net today and want to post it just cause I think it is funny, not anything to do with taking sides politicly.

I am taking sides and I think it is pretty funny!

[iamnotafraid]

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

"Those that cannot learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them."

You'd think the bleeding heart liberals would know this by now.

The more I hear about Sarah Palin the more I like.
She has more experience than Obama.

Oh, and where are all the "women's rights" groups?
Why aren't they taking up for Sarah?
Maybe it's because women's rights groups only care about liberal women.

[ashton]

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

You'd think the bleeding heart liberals would know this by now.

The more I hear about Sarah Palin the more I like.
She has more experience than Obama.

Oh, and where are all the "women's rights" groups?
Why aren't they taking up for Sarah?
Maybe it's because women's rights groups only care about liberal women.

Specifically, what women's rights issues does Palin support that would be reason for women's rights groups to take up for her? Hopefully, you can answer this without resorting the generalizations in your initial post.

[SuzeQuze]

Since we're "bleeding heart liberals" does that make conservatives "cold-hearted misers"? These phrases get thrown around so much so as to lose their meaning.

[BTFLCHLD]

Is there something 'wrong' with McCain's neck? Has it been fused?

[rubytuesday]

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

Oh, and where are all the "women's rights" groups?
Why aren't they taking up for Sarah?

Which womens rights is she fighting for? You think just cause she's a woman that womens rights groups would get behind her blindly. They'd get behind the person who was supporting women more whether that person is a man or a woman themselves. I mean I'm a female but I hated Thatcher.......there's as much relevance there as there is in your statement. i'm sure there's black people supporting McCain, same deal.

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

You'd think the bleeding heart liberals would know this by now.


Oh, and where are all the "women's rights" groups?
Why aren't they taking up for Sarah?
Maybe it's because women's rights groups only care about liberal women.

Why on earth would anyone that was for the rights of women want to support this whackadoodle?She is so myopic that she truly believes abstinence only should be taught in schools instead of any preventative measures for birth control and her own high school age daughter is now pregnant ?! Just stupid.She would overturn Roe vs. Wade in an instant if she could which I'm sure would delight you but would send women into the back alley butcher shops again.I am not for abortion as birth control but for chrissakes this nutjob doesn't want to promote any sensible .sane methods of unwanted pregnancy prevention and I am sure would nip any programs to help the unwanted children her idiotic plan would produce in the bud .

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

You'd think the bleeding heart liberals would know this by now.

And one would also think that those who voted for Bush and were ultimately unhappy with his performance (or at least claim to be unhappy with it), would have learned from that.

In 2007, John McCain voted in support of President Bush 95% of the time (source: FactCheck.org).

Want more of the same? Vote for McCain!

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

And one would also think that those who voted for Bush and were ultimately unhappy with his performance (or at least claim to be unhappy with it), would have learned from that.

In 2007, John McCain voted in support of President Bush 95% of the time (source: FactCheck.org).

Want more of the same? Vote for McCain!

Thank you.That is exactly what I was trying to explain to Brandon who now very much regrets voting for Bush and is going to make the same error again when I made the statment that iamnotafraid just posted out of context.

[SuzeQuze]

Conservatives will probably ignore these facts just because they are sourced from moveon.

• Palin recently said that the war in Iraq is "God's task." She's even admitted she hasn't thought about the war much—just last year she was quoted saying, "I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq." 1, 2
• Palin has actively sought the support of the fringe Alaska Independence Party. Six months ago, Palin told members of the group—who advocate for a vote on secession from the union—to "keep up the good work" and "wished the party luck on what she called its 'inspiring convention.'" 3
• Palin wants to teach creationism in public schools. She hasn't made clear whether she thinks evolution is a fact.4
• Palin doesn't believe that humans contribute to global warming. Speaking about climate change, she said, "I'm not one though who would attribute it to being manmade." 5
• Palin has close ties to Big Oil. Her inauguration was even sponsored by BP. 6
• Palin is extremely anti-choice. She doesn't even support abortion in the case of rape or incest. 7
• Palin opposes comprehensive sex-ed in public schools. She's said she will only support abstinence-only approaches. 8
• As mayor, Palin tried to ban books from the library. Palin asked the library how she might go about banning books because some had inappropriate language in them—shocking the librarian, Mary Ellen Baker. According to Time, "news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor." 9
• She DID support the Bridge to Nowhere (before she opposed it). Palin claimed that she said "thanks, but no thanks" to the infamous Bridge to Nowhere. But in 2006, Palin supported the project repeatedly, saying that Alaska should take advantage of earmarks "while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist." 10
http://pol.moveon.org/lte?campaign_i...29-euqrnpx&t=4
P.S. If you haven't seen it, check out the Daily Show clip on Palin. It's worth a watch
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=24753&id=1...29-euqrnpx&t=5
Sources
1. "Palin: Iraq war 'a task that is from God'," Associated Press, September 3, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=24701&id=1...29-euqrnpx&t=6
2. "Palin wasn't 'really focused much' on the Iraq war," ThinkProgress, August 30, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=24702&id=1...29-euqrnpx&t=7
3. "The Sarah Palin Digest," ThinkProgress, September 4, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/palin-digest/
4. "McCain and Palin differ on issues," Associated Press, September 3, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=24703&id=1...29-euqrnpx&t=8
5. Ibid
6. The Sarah Palin Digest," ThinkProgress, September 4, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/palin-digest/
7. Ibid
8. Ibid.
9. "Mayor Palin: A Rough Record," Time, September 2, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=24704&id=1...29-euqrnpx&t=9
10. The Sarah Palin Digest," ThinkProgress, September 4, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/palin-digest/

[KarmaContestant]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/...rss_topstories

By Hilary Rosen
CNN Contributor

(CNN) -- Warning! This pundit isn't feeling the same way as many of my colleagues about Sarah Palin. She is being attacked for her lack of experience for the job and for whether she should be putting her family first instead of her career.

This just isn't that unusual in my book. And the more it goes on, the more uncomfortable I feel with that message.

Let's reflect. In her acceptance speech, we saw a woman who was compelling, charming and aggressively partisan. She succeeded in demonstrating that she is a regular mom who came to government to make a difference.

And she had that crowd in the convention hall eating out of her hands. Celebrity? It will be hard for the Republicans to attack Sen. Barack Obama for his celebrity now that they have one of their own.

A superstar of the radical right was made Wednesday night. And she may also have made some headway with those who buy her folksiness without knowing the extreme nature of her actual policy views. Read the transcript of Palin's speech

So where does this leave us as Democrats in making the case against Sarah Palin and her running mate for president? What is the choice now for the American people? There is a really strong case to be made against the McCain/Palin ticket and Democrats need to make it the right way, right away.

I am a woman who someone took a chance on several years ago when they gave me a job that had only previously been done by old white guys. Experience? How do you get any if no one takes a chance on you? And the decision to take a chance can be instinctive, as John McCain said.

And what about the argument that she is a negligent mother who will be distracted from her important role? I am a mother who constantly feels the pressure from others about whether I am fit to be a parent, whether I put my kids first often enough and whether my children get enough of my attention. Who has the right to judge my family?

My grandmother always said, "You can't tell time on someone else's clock." Judgments about people's personal lives are better left unsaid and unrealized.

So why then do I think that Sarah Palin would be a terrible vice president? Because I also think that John McCain would be a terrible president.

I don't care about how Sarah Palin or John McCain take care of their families. I care about how their policy choices affect my family and millions of other Americans.

McCain and Palin get their health insurance paid for by the government (hers in Alaska and his in Washington). Yet they oppose giving the nearly 46 million uninsured Americans the same access to affordable health care.

John McCain's kids don't have to worry about paying for college. Yet he has opposed every single education support program to help others.

McCain and Palin say they will stand up to oil companies. Yet the only energy policy they support gives millions of dollars in tax breaks to oil companies to do more drilling and he has opposed every piece of federal legislation to explore alternative fuel sources.

McCain and Palin say they will revamp how Washington does business. Yet his campaign is filled with lobbyists and she has cooperated with Sen. Ted Stevens in funneling federal money for useless projects in Alaska for years. And McCain and Palin have no solutions for Americans worrying about their jobs in a fragile economy.

McCain and Palin want us to leave their families alone. Yet they want to make rules for our families by eliminating our right to make our own choices over abortion, eliminate our access to family planning education or domestic partner benefits, and our freedom from discrimination.

They want to control what our kids learn in school about sex and about science. In short, through the policies they promote and the judges they support, they want the government to have more control over our private lives than at any time in history.

McCain and Palin now say their campaign is about change, too. Yet the only real change they have proposed is a change from a suit to a skirt in the vice president's office and one man fighting a misplaced war for another in the Oval Office.

That seems to me to be the right reason to oppose them in November. It's not the process or the people, it's what they represent. This unconventional choice of a vice presidential nominee by John McCain won't result in a win in November, because McCain and Palin are the wrong choice for the country.