Some questions about Christine's songs on 'Time'

[jbrownsjr]

I have a huge problem with her keyboard choices (with respect to timbre)

I want to throw that electric keyboard out.... but the compositions themselves are cool tunes...

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

I have a huge problem with her keyboard choices (with respect to timbre).

On Time alone or on all her songs?

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

On Time alone or on all her songs?

not all of her song....

Hollywood... I Do are the tunes that I cringe when I hear the timbre of the keys... it just sounds so dated to me...

[nicepace]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Hollywood... I Do are the tunes that I cringe when I hear the timbre of the keys... it just sounds so dated to me...

What is it that you don't like about them, and what keyboards do you wish she played instead?

I'm not arguing with you, just curious to get more explanation of why you feel this way.

I have listened to the four songs that various posters said they could hear Chris on, and I agree, she's there, at least in the background mix, on all of them. I would also be surprised if that's not her playing the piano on that one song of Bekka's ("NothingWithout You").

About "Talkin To My Heart" -- is that Chris doing the sort of delicate background aaaaah's toward the end, while Bekka does a more aggressive backing vocal? If that is indeed Chris, it is very nice. (It's very nice anyway.)

By the way, not to start any arguments, but I really don't like the way Bekka sings. There are too many notes in there that don't belong in the melody. I understand she was trying to not sound like Chris, and especially not sound like Stevie, but I don't particularly like the result.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by nicepace

What is it that you don't like about them, and what keyboards do you wish she played instead?

I'm not arguing with you, just curious to get more explanation of why you feel this way.

I have listened to the four songs that various posters said they could hear Chris on, and I agree, she's there, at least in the background mix, on all of them. I would also be surprised if that's not her playing the piano on that one song of Bekka's ("NothingWithout You").

About "Talkin To My Heart" -- is that Chris doing the sort of delicate background aaaaah's toward the end, while Bekka does a more aggressive backing vocal? If that is indeed Chris, it is very nice. (It's very nice anyway.)

By the way, not to start any arguments, but I really don't like the way Bekka sings. There are too many notes in there that don't belong in the melody. I understand she was trying to not sound like Chris, and especially not sound like Stevie, but I don't particularly like the result.

Oh I don't take anything on here personally... so you can ask me anything...

The opening piano riff of I Do... I wish it was an acoustic Grand Piano vs the electric piano voice/pad she's playing.. just a personal preference.... the timbre she's using sounds really late 80's to me.. and i believe this was 1994 or 5...

I love the song Skies the Limit as well, but don't like the choice of keyboard sound here either... (i know it's from BTM) just another example....

Sounds i do love from her...

Keys on Friend, Crystal, YMLF, Dreams, Hold Me, Born Enchanter, Angel, Believe Me, Morning Rain, Warm Ways, Oh Daddy, One in A Million....
just to name some...

the keys don't sound dated to me on these tunes... they seem timeless.... B3, fender sounds, AC Gpiano, upright piano etc...

and i'm not a keyboard expert... i'm just listening to sound she's creating and saying yay or nay... fresh vs stale... just my thing...

[aleuzzi]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

not all of her song....

Hollywood... I Do are the tunes that I cringe when I hear the timbre of the keys... it just sounds so dated to me...

Agreed. It sounded dated even THEN!

Such great songs colored so badly with those awful, demo-sounding keyboards. I have no idea why she chose those colors and textures when she did such a bang-up job with the keyboards in Heart of Stone a couple years earlier.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by nicepace

By the way, not to start any arguments, but I really don't like the way Bekka sings. There are too many notes in there that don't belong in the melody. I understand she was trying to not sound like Chris, and especially not sound like Stevie, but I don't particularly like the result.

Well, it's admittedly very different. Very in line with her parents' more soulful style, which is very different from the "classic" Fleetwood Mac sound. I happen to be a huge fan of her folks, and as such, I really enjoyed her stuff. I especially love how she and Billy sounded together.

Actually, the other thing about Time that rubs me the wrong way is that three of the songs had already been released. I will say I prefer Delaney Bramlett's 1975 version of Nothing Without You and Fleetwood Mac's 1994 version of Blow By Blow. But, I'm really glad the Mac remade Talkin' To My Heart, which was originally done by Deborah Allen.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

Agreed. It sounded dated even THEN!

Such great songs colored so badly with those awful, demo-sounding keyboards. I have no idea why she chose those colors and textures when she did such a bang-up job with the keyboards in Heart of Stone a couple years earlier.

and did a bang up job in tunes on BTM and Love Shines.. and In the Meantime

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Well, it's admittedly very different. Very in line with her parents' more soulful style, which is very different from the "classic" Fleetwood Mac sound. I happen to be a huge fan of her folks, and as such, I really enjoyed her stuff. I especially love how she and Billy sounded together.

Actually, the other thing about Time that rubs me the wrong way is that three of the songs had already been released. I will say I prefer Delaney Bramlett's 1975 version of Nothing Without You and Fleetwood Mac's 1994 version of Blow By Blow. But, I'm really glad the Mac remade Talkin' To My Heart, which was originally done by Deborah Allen.

I would love to hear that version(TTMH)... as it's my favorite song on Time ... Sooner or Later is my 2nd fav...

[David]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

Such great songs colored so badly with those awful, demo-sounding keyboards.

Those musicboxy patches are derivatives of the DX-7, which left its influence everywhere. It's like a digitized xylophone, or an exec's fancy telephone. But even the current generation of synths & workstations heavily employs the DX-7 voices because you hear them everywhere (you even hear them on EVERYWHERE). You hear the same tick-tocky DX-7 derivative on the EVERYWHERE demo & on SKIES THE LIMIT, & you hear the digitized xylophony-baloney on the TIME songs.

It's a funny time for keyboards, because although these are popular patches & samplings today, there's still a widespread nostalgia for the older, "warmer" analog sounds of classic electric pianos like the Rhodes, the Wurly, & the Hohner. Some of the most popular sellers are digital "clones" of analog or tube-amp-style boards & organs.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by David

Those musicboxy patches are derivatives of the DX-7, which left its influence everywhere. It's like a digitized xylophone, or an exec's fancy telephone. But even the current generation of synths & workstations heavily employs the DX-7 voices because you hear them everywhere (you even hear them on EVERYWHERE). You hear the same tick-tocky DX-7 derivative on the EVERYWHERE demo & on SKIES THE LIMIT, & you hear the digitized xylophony-baloney on the TIME songs.

It's a funny time for keyboards, because although these are popular patches & samplings today, there's still a widespread nostalgia for the older, "warmer" analog sounds of classic electric pianos like the Rhodes, the Wurly, & the Hohner. Some of the most popular sellers are digital "clones" of analog or tube-amp-style boards & organs.

then use the warm sounds vs the baloney soundS!!!!

[PenguinHead]

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

Oh my gosh, I forgot about this! Thanks. That song sounds like a Rumors-era hit to me.

I'm so glad it wasn't!!! Countless songs have that title, and it's a phrase that's been overused...in countless contexts. It's the king of cliches! Eeh! I cringed when I first heard that song on the Time album. My reaction was, "C'mon!..can't they find a more orignal phrase??!!"