A stagnation milestone has been passed

[RockALittle250]

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

Ok i'm glad you qualified it some more ..given what we know about any Buckingham Nicks era album from Rumours on there is no way in hell an entire album of new material could be completed in anything less than two years perhaps even longer now given the contention between those two over production.

Like i said, either way we're getting new music, so what do we have to complain about?

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

She said she was going to star in it? Is my memory that bad? I know she was writing it though.

Didn't she stop the production because she thought the Hollywood people creeped her out?

I don't know if that's why she stopped it, but I know she thought they were looking at her like they wanted to have kinky sex, whereas rock stars all just have "normal" sex. Actors are really perverted.

Michele

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

She said she was going to star in it? Is my memory that bad? I know she was writing it though.

Didn't she stop the production because she thought the Hollywood people creeped her out?

The director responsible for David Bowie's "The Man Who Fell to The Earth" was signed on for it as I recall..I guess the thinking was that if he could handle one eccentric rock star in a film he could handle another..I remember later in her Bella Donna era Playboy interview she said movie people creeped her out as they looked kind of plastic and got up early to work just when she was turning in ,so the hours were not for her either.

[Musicman408]

I think that perhaps if she starts recording some new songs, she'll realize that she does love to do it and that she should just do another album......... That would be cool.

[vermicious knid]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

Inbetween SA and TISL we got Sweet Girl thats it.

There was more than that with all the soundtrack songs. But even if we conclude that the 90's dry period was dryer than the current dry period, that isn't some kind of glorious vindication for her.

Originally Posted by RockALittle250

Like i said, either way we're getting new music, so what do we have to complain about?

The thought that it might be another half-decade wait following this new album is not a pleasant one, so maybe there's that.

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by RockALittle250

That information is absolutely 100% not confirmed by FM. If Stevie says we're getting a new album, we're getting a new album. Although if it is true, it will have enough new tracks on it to satisfy the time gap. If they're going to drag this out for 2 years, it will have plenty of good stuff on it. Plus TVBOFM had no newly recorded tracks on it...the newest stuff was from The Dance tour.

"If Stevie says we are getting a new album, we are getting a new album"

Are we talking about the same Stevie Nicks who just a few months ago claimed she could not be a part of FM without Christine?

I think Stevie has given us alot since TISL, in terms of live stuff. However, I hardly think you can trust what she says in interviews as 100 percent factual. I know Strand will prolly say she changed her mind.

2004....according to Lindsey, she and Mick were handing him set lists and planning out mic positions etc, for the next Mac tour. Stevie was telling fans in Oz that FM was gonna tour again, but Chris would not join them.

2007.... Stevie really doesnt want to ever be a part of FM again, without Christine. She says this several times and explains why she feels this way. She even says they tried it with SYW and it did not work.

2008.....Stevie will record and tour with FM, as long as LB is the primary producer.

Stevie was always going to tour with FM. Love /hate, hot/cold equals moula.

[RockALittle250]

Originally Posted by Kelly

"If Stevie says we are getting a new album, we are getting a new album"

Are we talking about the same Stevie Nicks who just a few months ago claimed she could not be a part of FM without Christine?

I think Stevie has given us alot since TISL, in terms of live stuff. However, I hardly think you can trust what she says in interviews as 100 percent factual. I know Strand will prolly say she changed her mind.

2004....according to Lindsey, she and Mick were handing him set lists and planning out mic positions etc, for the next Mac tour. Stevie was telling fans in Oz that FM was gonna tour again, but Chris would not join them.

2007.... Stevie really doesnt want to ever be a part of FM again, without Christine. She says this several times and explains why she feels this way. She even says they tried it with SYW and it did not work.

2008.....Stevie will record and tour with FM, as long as LB is (not) the primary producer.

Stevie was always going to tour with FM. Love /hate, hot/cold equals moula.

I added the "(not)" in the highlighted statement because that's what the rumor says, which is just that, a rumor. My quote of "If Stevie says we are getting a new album, we are getting a new album" stems from how Stevie has said that TISL is her masterpiece, and the fact that no all-original studio album has followed that up yet. She said she wasn't planning on following that up anytime soon, and she hasn't. So when i said "If Stevie says we are getting a new album, we are getting a new album", i'm referring to how when it comes to a studio album, if she says we're getting it, we're getting it, and when she says we're not, we're not. Plus, her and Lindsey have been on the same page about this recently, which is rare. As for everything else she promises (like the Rhiannon project) that's either hot air, wishful thinking or she really just has never gotten around to it.

As far as her past statements that she refuses to tour with FM unless Christine comes back...we all know that was Stevie playing her little game, and not to say it was all purely intentional on her part, but we know that was just Stevie being Stevie.

[DavidMn]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

Well I was actually thinking about this the other day oddly. The who stagnation thing aqnd if this has been the longest we've gone without new material and I agree that the stagnation period must start at April 16th 2003 on. Inbetween SA and TISL we got Sweet Girl thats it. And tourwise The Dance was a very short tour as was Enchanted. Since TISL we got 10 new Stevie songs from SYW, which is equal to a Bella Donna or Wild Heart. Then the freaking SYW tour was the longest tour in Fleetwood Mac history (Tusk tour condensed their dates into under a year, SYW went to mid September 2004)

OK since then we can say she's been stagnant to a point. But really after 1998, Stevie did absolutely **** for the next 3 years aside from those millenium shows. Since 2005 she did that rather unnecasary Gold Dust Tour although that show at Blossom Music Center that year was the best Stevie concert I've been too and I got to touch her for the Edge so from a selfish standpoint I can't consider her stagnant for that year. 2006, she toured with Petty, which is somethign she did for herself and I guess we can all say we got some great moments there (Insdier, I Need To Know DCAHNM dancing, best SDMHA ever) then Crystal Visions was pretty pointless, CD wise, but the DVD was almost better then a new album for me, with those voice overs she gave plus the Bella Donna footage. So no it was a new album in the classic sense, but **** we all enjoyed it as much,. Then came the following tour, which you can pretty much say was the recording sessions for her upcoming first ever live album via Soundstage, which is GDW is any indication will be an INCREDIBLE concert and DVD and CD.

Now this year's East Coast 15 date random is kind of pointless, but danm has she been giving some good performances, and who hasn't loved Face the Promise, which I will say for the fourth time is like a new song written by another artist no different then Tallk To Me was.

So in conclusion, We must start the count from April 16th 2003 which puts us at like 1,555 days and i'm more or less estimating, correct me if im wrong. And even then I think it has to be some sort of weighted 1,555 days so i'm gonna subtract a years worth of days from that and I come up with 1190 days of stagnation

So in my reworking she has about until Summer 2011 to not have a new longest stagnation period. Disagree if you must, but this is science

Um, SYW came out on april 15th 2003 gets your facts straight ok?

[jwd]

When I read "a stagnation milestone has passed", I thought you were talking about Stevie overcoming another medical problem. I'm so relieved!

[TheNightbird]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Didn't she stop the production because she thought the Hollywood people creeped her out?

Doesn't coke cause you to be paranoid? LOL
Stevie has often said she never wanted to be an actress, especially when she talks about making videos. She was cute on Chris Isaak's show. A Rhiannon flick would be cool-maybe as a CGI fantasy, or done like Beowulf was.

Back to topic...it does seem that things are livening up with the holy trinity of rock: Stevie, Lins and Mac!
Even Stevie's set has come out of stagnation. She has such a library of great music she has to shake it up more. I would not die if she did not do Dreams in her shows(and kept it for Mac shows)and maybe played "Ooh My Love" or "Belladonna" instead; something rare.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by TheNightbird

Doesn't coke cause you to be paranoid? LOL
Stevie has often said she never wanted to be an actress, especially when she talks about making videos. She was cute on Chris Isaak's show. A Rhiannon flick would be cool-maybe as a CGI fantasy, or done like Beowulf was.

Back to topic...it does seem that things are livening up with the holy trinity of rock: Stevie, Lins and Mac!
Even Stevie's set has come out of stagnation. She has such a library of great music she has to shake it up more. I would not die if she did not do Dreams in her shows(and kept it for Mac shows)and maybe played "Ooh My Love" or "Belladonna" instead; something rare.

Well yes coke does fo that - but the tenor of the times, FM sole tens of millios of records without videos. During that time, there was a resistance to videos by all the major acts. They did not get that touring alone could not cut it. And, even the live concert footage was something for one moment. Videos were horrifying to the acts then - perhaps in vain and the drugs aside. I think "they"were scared of the changed medium.


But, I agree with you, stop the covers and do your own songs

[David]

Originally Posted by TheNightbird

Stevie has often said she never wanted to be an actress, especially when she talks about making videos.

When I listen to her line readings of the Dickens work from some years back, I give Stevie a lot of credit for deciding not to be an actress. She's always known what her strengths are: writing songs, singing, performing rock music, &c. The world is filled with embarrassing "crossovers" (from Will Smith to Madonna to . . . ) & by avoiding that, Stevie has maintained integrity.

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by DavidMn

Um, SYW came out on april 15th 2003 gets your facts straight ok?

yes I know that, and the first day of the tour was May 7th, and they came to Buffalo May 15th and the 2004 leg started May 8th. I started counting the day AFTER SYW came out thats why I said April 16th. Don't question my awseome memory, which is both a gift and a curse as Adrian Monk would say!

[Richard B]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

During that time, there was a resistance to videos by all the major acts.

Except for ABBA. They went nuts with music videos (since the early 70's) and toured rarely and sold an obscene amount of records internationally.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Richard B

Except for ABBA. They went nuts with music videos (since the early 70's) and toured rarely and sold an obscene amount of records internationally.

I think the Europeans loved the concept more than the American large rock bands. I also think that the things like Don Kirschner rock concerts, the Midnight Special, and all were the videos of the 70's . Hell, even Solid Gold over here in the states continued that concept, with a twist, into the 80's . Interstingly, Barbara Streisand did the first video that I can recall when she did that tv show where she was singing and running through, I believe, a museam.

But, ABBA def. was a pioneer so to speak.