My Little Vent Thread

[trackaghost]

How funny is this? Almost exactly the same comments that Stevie made. Maybe they've been chatting...

'Fans have killed the record industry'

Gene Simmons says band won't release new songs until downloading stops

Jun 17, 2008

Download festival headliners Kiss, who played the top spot at the festival last Friday (June 13), have declared that the record industry is "dead".

Bassist Gene Simmonds explained that his band were refusing to record new material until illegal downloading ceases, calling the act of downloading "uncivilised".

"The record industry is dead," the Daily Star reported the singer saying. "It's six feet underground and unfortunately the fans have done this.

"They've decided to download and file-share. There is no record industry around so we're going to wait until everybody settles down and becomes civilised. As soon as the record industry pops its head up we'll record new material."

Singer Paul Stanley went on to defend the band's policy of only playing old hits live. "With any classic band that hits the road, the last thing you want to hear is their new songs," he said. "Trends come, fashion comes. But we don't go away. We're like herpes."

http://www.nme.com/news/kiss/37419

[AgeOldDesire]

Originally Posted by David

Stevie's a cover girl.

I suspect this will be the title of Stevie's next solo album, Cover Girl. And will be comprised of, yup, cover songs.

[DavidMn]

I must say after seeing the Chicago and Detroit shows the last few days, I'm definitelty not feeling Crash. I mean, it's not like I wanna go take a 20 minute dump when she does that song, but it seems out of place to me.

[trackaghost]

Originally Posted by AgeOldDesire

I suspect this will be the title of Stevie's next solo album, Cover Girl. And will be comprised of, yup, cover songs.

Shawn Colvin's already released a covers album called Cover Girl

Personally I'd prefer an album of covers than nothing at all.

[DavidMn]

Originally Posted by trackaghost

Shawn Colvin's already released a covers album called Cover Girl

Personally I'd prefer an album of covers than nothing at all.

What was the Police song she had on Cover Girl?

[Steviefan49]

Originally Posted by michelej1

And I don't know how the covers please the masses, because no one expects her to do them. Well, I guess they would if she put out an album of covers and became known for that -- thankfully she's not to that point yet.

Of course, when she sings someone else's songs, whoever is reviewing the show that night usually notices, especially when it's Seger or Zeppelin (as opposed to Bonnie Raitt). So, I wonder if she likes the publicity slant the covers bring her. Whatever, it's frustrating. Michele

Amen Michele... I guess basically the "masses" don't know the difference from her old material, new material or the covers, anyway.. so maybe she feels it's something that would be nice for everyone LOL.. Shhhhh.. don't say anything too loud about her putting out a album of covers.. LOL. What I'd LOVE to see is her old un-released demos.. and you are SOOO right about it all being frustrating.. It is to say the least.. LOL

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by trackaghost

How funny is this? Almost exactly the same comments that Stevie made. Maybe they've been chatting...

Well, the politicians have talking points. They distribute them to everyone in their campaign, administration or party, so that everyone who gives an interview will say the same thing. Maybe the rock stars have them too. They're more organized than I thought!

Michele

[trackaghost]

Originally Posted by DavidMn

What was the Police song she had on Cover Girl?

Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic, if I remember correctly.

[starshine]

Originally Posted by Steviefan49

LOL.. No she doesn't hate you Jill! LOL.. I do have to say that I SOOO feel what you and Savage are saying.. and have to agree on some of this.. I also feel that musically, I guess I just don't understand WHY she hasn't released some of her demo's, or her other stuff, and instead, we keep getting "The Best Of" or "Greatest Hits Packages" instead of new- or old un-released demos?? And why do other people's covers? Yes.. I understand, musically, they sound good with her voice, but won't her OWN songs sound good too, and have more meaning?? I don't know.. I guess I feel that maybe she is thinking along the lines of pleasing the "masses" - as she knows she already has us hooked.. but she ALSO needs to know, somehow- that we- the fans who got her where she is today- would ALSO like to hear "HER" own stuff!

I totally agree about doing her own music.....I just don't understand why she won't sing her OWN songs!!!! She has so many wonderful songs off every solo lp....and even movie songs she could sing....just think of hearing Violet & Blue or Blue Lamp...I still don't understand why during Enchanted...the shirt picture with the BL and she doesn't sing the song on tour......it would've been wonderful.....or One More Big Time...or heck any song from any solo LP and it doesn't have to be a single either....like Ooh My Love or Long Way to Go....or what Listen To The Rain.....or Real Tears or.....Nightbird....TTM or ROF or heck Bella Donna....I'm not crazy about the covers....I was at DTE Sunday night....don't care for Crash period...but I'm not a DMB fan either.....I didn't mind Bob's song but still if I had a choice it would be her own music...that's what I paid for to me.......and it makes me sad really........IMO that is......

[starshine]

Originally Posted by SortaSavageLike

Earlier today, I found myself in an odd sort of situation.

I was browsing through my Photobucket gallery, and saying things to myself like "I'm really getting frustrated with you" and "you know, I think somebody ought to have a word with you about this whole business."

Okay, now that I've creeped everyone out, I need to get some words out. Yeah, I could have just posted this on the St. Louis thread, but I'm just a thread-starting fool.

I'm really frustrated with Stevie right now. Not really pissed off, but my poor insignificant mind can't really begin to fathom some of the things she's said lately. Every time I gain some respect for her, she says something that makes me lose respect, and the cycle repeats in an endless loop. What irritates me the most is that I have a hard time saying what I should be saying, for a really shallow reason: Stevie is one of the few singers whose songs have ever had an emotional impact on me. Christ, the first time I heard BATB, I just hid in my room and cried for 20 minutes. Really embarrassing...but why would I want to put down someone whose songs have touched me deeply?

Well, perhaps I should be thinking about that. Here's a laundry list of things that are frustrating me right now:

1. In all the years I've been actively interested in music, I've never seen a singer or musician as creatively stagnant as her, or one so complacent about their state of stagnation and so stubborn in their unwillingness to change it. I wouldn't even consider myself a "hardcore" fan, but I can think up a dozen songs that could be added to her set list, perhaps enough to temporarily offset the fact that she's probably never going to make a new album.

2. How hard is it to get an album made these years? I'm sure there are a hundred producers who'd be willing to provide their services to Stevie, and since so many of her songs are actually more interesting in stripped-down demo form, it's not like it'd take months to hammer out the production process.

3. If her songs are so damned personal, why won't she perform them in a more personal setting? For example, it's kind of hard to take EO17 as being a really private, intense song when it's being belted out to a stadium with 15,000 people in it.

4. She really needs to take some kind of personal responsibility. We've all come to expect Stevie and Lindsey to blame each other for the same things and put on the "it's all your fault!" act, but Stevie is starting to come across as a Carol Ann Harris type. "I didn't know cocaine was bad for me, I didn't know Klonopin was addictive, I didn't know that the fans want to hear new songs, it's all their fault that I'm doing greatest hits and covers, and I'm just a poor girl from a poor family, spare me my life from this monstrosity!"

5. Her voice is in the best shape it's been in years, but she refuses to take advantage of the opportunity to record anything new. Or maybe that just goes with Point 1.

6. The Lindsey/Stevie thing is getting old. Yes, it was a traumatizing breakup...which happened during the second year of the Ford administration. One wonders what Chris and John, who actually managed to remain as professional music partners without letting their past relationship get in the way, are thinking right now about those two irritating Yanks and their endless fights.

7. A brief retirement/extended vacation to some exotic locale or meditating place in late 2004/early 2005 would have giving an opportunity for her to take some time to think about the future, perhaps giving us some new material instead of an endless mobious strip of nearly-identical GH tours. But the time to strike is long past, unfortunately. She should try doing this after the current tour is over. There's a reason why many musicians take long periods of semi-retirement; continuous touring just saps the mind the soul!

Okay, I'll just shut up for now.

I'm totally understanding how your feeling.......the frustration is there for me as well.........Stevie is a much better artist than this........its not the fact of her owe us anything.....just as an artist she could be much better than 'this'.....this is not her best to me.....she could have done much more in the last 11 yrs or so.....could've released so much and it doesn't even have to be music wise either.......posters/shirts/books........of course demos/extended versions......the list is endless really....various dvds.......the world is her oyster but she choose's not to do anything...........maybe retiring is the best option now....and I don't like saying that but well.....if you don't use your gift you will lose it someday.....how sad really. I know she tours....but well she's needed a break from that anyway yrs now......she's needed a break. I feel what your saying.....but I'm not sure it will change......I'm still frusted about what she said about us hard core fans thing....I'll get over it but it takes time.....but I know I've learned something......that I won't forget anytime soon............

[Steviefan49]

Originally Posted by starshine

I totally agree about doing her own music.....I just don't understand why she won't sing her OWN songs!!!! She has so many wonderful songs off every solo lp....and even movie songs she could sing....just think of hearing Violet & Blue or Blue Lamp...I still don't understand why during Enchanted...the shirt picture with the BL and she doesn't sing the song on tour......it would've been wonderful.....or One More Big Time...or heck any song from any solo LP and it doesn't have to be a single either....like Ooh My Love or Long Way to Go....or what Listen To The Rain.....or Real Tears or.....Nightbird....TTM or ROF or heck Bella Donna....I'm not crazy about the covers....I was at DTE Sunday night....don't care for Crash period...but I'm not a DMB fan either.....I didn't mind Bob's song but still if I had a choice it would be her own music...that's what I paid for to me.......and it makes me sad really........IMO that is......

Hey Sue..

I hear you all the way around.. I'd SOOO LOVE to hear her sing "BL" or Nightbird, or any of those songs you mentioned.. and I'm with you on Crash.. I'm not a bit DMB fan either.. as I can think of SOOO many other songs she could sing, but I guess that's her choice on that call.. I just don't understand it tho..

[bellagypsy79]

My boyfriend at the concert told me she should've sang "rooms On Fire". He likes that song, and he also told me that "She's complaining about people getting up and walking to the bathroom and stuff on some of her songs that some people don't know...well if that bothers her so much then why won't she play **** that people know and they will stay and listen." Sometimes some celebrities are not who you think they are. It's a tough competitive business that you need a backbone and you have to be hard headed and stubborn all at the same time. What I think is funny is that everyone's bringing up the drugs thing....and when my boyfriend saw this little clip thing on VH1 classic I believe, it showed stevie saying, "No one told us they were bad, no one...", my boyfriend hit the ground like a safe laughing his ass off. I asked him what was so funny and he said. " She is such a liar! What did you think you were shoving up your nose, sugar?! That's why they call it a drug!" And in some ways I can agree with him. I mean at the age of 27, you are with a great band, and they ask you "Do you want some?" You look at it, and ask, "What is it?" They tell you, "Cocaine." And you do what they are doing. You stuff the **** up your nose. NO you don't know why you are doing it, maybe you are doing it so you can be the rock star you've dreamed to be. And this is what rock stars do and they way they live....
Anyway, alot of the mistakes that Stevie has made over the years with her life, I question about them. Her sleeping with a married Mick Fleetwood, breaking up with Lindsey for Don Henley, (yes that is what happened because Don Henley said so), cocaine and other drugs, rumours that I don't believe are true that she had an abortion and the unborn child's name was Sara. There are somethings about this woman that I wouldn't dare believe that she did. She has this innocent face, and seems so sincere. But the whole time she was wearing a mask, and now that she's got that mask off, there are still some problems with her actions to this day. I was disapointed that she didn't get my letter to dedicate "Edge of 17" to me the night of the show. She has a crabby, bitchy, and over controlling assistant who behind her back treats her fans like ****. Stevie won't read my letter until the tour is over with, so I hope that when she does read it, she looks Karen in the face and says, "Why didn't I get this sooner?" Why does she want someone like Karen to work for her anyway. If Karen was my assistant and I ever found out that she did those things to my fans, and to my friends, I would fire her ass! But you know what, Stevie does know that she does those things and Stevie lets it happen. So don't let celebrities fool you. The music and entertainment buisness turns people into assholes. I know. My friend just got done making an album and w never hear from him anymore, and when we do talk to him, he's being an asshole, stuck up...This buisness changes you as a person. Stevie knows what's happening, she knows what's going on, and she doesn't care. She has to do what she's told, by managers and etc. I will always be a fan, and I will always treasure her songs and music and her style, but I am confused on alot of issues in her life, and those issues will never be resolved because it's no ones buisness. People make choices and do things for a reason, what ever the reason is they are the only ones who know and there was a reason why they did it. I love Stevie with all my heart but I'm tired now. She is on this tour and she's probably exausted herself. She may have some answers after it's over with. So be patient, and maybe in a couple of months you will know her future plans for a studio album, a Mac reunion, a Mac album and blah, blah, blah.....Just let it go, sit back and enjoy the music, and be patient. I believe there's another album comming our way, just not right away, but soon.

[The Catdancer]

Originally Posted by bellagypsy79

My boyfriend at the concert told me she should've sang "rooms On Fire". He likes that song, and he also told me that "She's complaining about people getting up and walking to the bathroom and stuff on some of her songs that some people don't know...well if that bothers her so much then why won't she play **** that people know and they will stay and listen." Sometimes some celebrities are not who you think they are. It's a tough competitive business that you need a backbone and you have to be hard headed and stubborn all at the same time. What I think is funny is that everyone's bringing up the drugs thing....and when my boyfriend saw this little clip thing on VH1 classic I believe, it showed stevie saying, "No one told us they were bad, no one...", my boyfriend hit the ground like a safe laughing his ass off. I asked him what was so funny and he said. " She is such a liar! What did you think you were shoving up your nose, sugar?! That's why they call it a drug!" And in some ways I can agree with him. I mean at the age of 27, you are with a great band, and they ask you "Do you want some?" You look at it, and ask, "What is it?" They tell you, "Cocaine." And you do what they are doing. You stuff the **** up your nose. NO you don't know why you are doing it, maybe you are doing it so you can be the rock star you've dreamed to be. And this is what rock stars do and they way they live....
Anyway, alot of the mistakes that Stevie has made over the years with her life, I question about them. Her sleeping with a married Mick Fleetwood, breaking up with Lindsey for Don Henley, (yes that is what happened because Don Henley said so), cocaine and other drugs, rumours that I don't believe are true that she had an abortion and the unborn child's name was Sara. There are somethings about this woman that I wouldn't dare believe that she did. She has this innocent face, and seems so sincere. But the whole time she was wearing a mask, and now that she's got that mask off, there are still some problems with her actions to this day. I was disapointed that she didn't get my letter to dedicate "Edge of 17" to me the night of the show. She has a crabby, bitchy, and over controlling assistant who behind her back treats her fans like ****. Stevie won't read my letter until the tour is over with, so I hope that when she does read it, she looks Karen in the face and says, "Why didn't I get this sooner?" Why does she want someone like Karen to work for her anyway. If Karen was my assistant and I ever found out that she did those things to my fans, and to my friends, I would fire her ass! But you know what, Stevie does know that she does those things and Stevie lets it happen. So don't let celebrities fool you. The music and entertainment buisness turns people into assholes. I know. My friend just got done making an album and w never hear from him anymore, and when we do talk to him, he's being an asshole, stuck up...This buisness changes you as a person. Stevie knows what's happening, she knows what's going on, and she doesn't care. She has to do what she's told, by managers and etc. I will always be a fan, and I will always treasure her songs and music and her style, but I am confused on alot of issues in her life, and those issues will never be resolved because it's no ones buisness. People make choices and do things for a reason, what ever the reason is they are the only ones who know and there was a reason why they did it. I love Stevie with all my heart but I'm tired now. She is on this tour and she's probably exausted herself. She may have some answers after it's over with. So be patient, and maybe in a couple of months you will know her future plans for a studio album, a Mac reunion, a Mac album and blah, blah, blah.....Just let it go, sit back and enjoy the music, and be patient. I believe there's another album comming our way, just not right away, but soon.

That she didn't get your letter is hardly a surprise. She gets many letters at concerts and she hardly has time to read them all. Asking for a dedication of a song... why not ask if she would dedicate the whole show to you?! If she would dedicate a song to you than she has to do that to others as well. I can see it now:"OK, this is Edge of Seventeen and I'd like to dedicate this to.... Karen, where's my list? And bring me my glasses too. OK, here we go...". About 2 hours later she'll be ready to do Edge. It doesn't work like that. And if she does get your letter after the tour, she's not gonna yell at Karen. Why would she? Karen isn't there to handle the mail. If you're lucky you might get a thank you note but don't count on it.
As for Stevie wearing a mask, I don't think so. And just because Don Henley said she broke up with Lindsey to be with him doesn't make it true.

[BTFLCHLD]

mosttimes I just wish peeps would cut her some slack.

[gretchen]

Originally Posted by BTFLCHLD

mosttimes I just wish peeps would cut her some slack.

Amen baby!!!!!!!