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Old 06-12-2008, 11:42 AM
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Chris only steals the stuff that hasn't been commercially released. It's her 1000 harcore fans who steal the rest.

Actually, she must have only 333 hard core fans, because most of the hardcore ones that I know buy at least 3 copies of everything. One for the car, one for the house, one for work, one to keep in its original wrapping, one that's shipped with a "personal" greeting from Stevie . . .

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Thank you! LOLOL..Oh, and also remember.. we go to Amazon and do the "Pre-ordered" ones too... so that we will get them, the day stuff comes out! LOLOL- So, for some of us.. that's 4 copies! SHEESH.. Get it right Stevie!
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Old 06-12-2008, 12:04 PM
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All these years, all these interviews... I wish Stevie would 'own' her addiction to Klonopin and stop behaving as if she was a victim there. I've taken it for years for anxiety. You can only abuse it if you abuse it. Lump it in with the cocaine and other junk and stop making it a seperate issue that you did, in fact, abuse Klonopin. I love her, but she really should do that after all these years.

As far as the other stuff? I wonder who she's listening to that's advising her on setlists and new albums? Who says 1000 hardcore fans are stealing music? And who, by this time, does not know every song on every album she's put out? How could she put out a different setlist and have people NOT know the songs? They've been out there forever. And if it's a bootleg I haven't heard then that would make me stay and want to hear this new thing.

Geez, I don't go to the bathroom during a Stevie concert. It's before and after. I get my t-shirt before too. Stevie used to be a lot more in touch it seems with her fans. Maybe playing in casinos is not the best venue to be judging your real audience? She's skipped the old Star Lake amp./now Post Gazette Pavillion for the last couple of little tours. Last thing I saw was the TISL concert. Get out of the casinos and come back and visit us little Stevie.
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Old 06-12-2008, 12:10 PM
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All these years, all these interviews... I wish Stevie would 'own' her addiction to Klonopin and stop behaving as if she was a victim there. I've taken it for years for anxiety. You can only abuse it if you abuse it. Lump it in with the cocaine and other junk and stop making it a seperate issue that you did, in fact, abuse Klonopin. I love her, but she really should do that after all these years.
Thank you for saying this. She's doing such a disservice to the millions of people who take Klonopin (or Ativan, or Xanax etc) to manage their anxiety and have no bad effects from it. I myself take Ativan as needed, and the instructions are clearly written on the bottle on how many to take and it wouldn't occur to me to take 6 times the amount- well, unless I was a celebretard and my "doctor" was giving me the Klonopin in plastic baggies by the hundreds for cash.

Read the label Stevie. Ot have Glen or Rebecca read it for you if you're too busy writing reams of new music.
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Old 06-12-2008, 12:53 PM
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I haven't heard this Bob Seger one, so I won't judge
It sounds like standard Seger to me -- straightforward blues rock that no more requires a singer to "interpret" it than it requires a guitarist to "interpret" it. It's one of those songs you just ... play. It would be suitable for stripping down to your underwear, cranking the volume on your dad's expensive sound system, & dancing around in your living room. I saw the video on YouTube from one of Stevie's shows; she & her band just ... play it.

I love CIRCLE DANCE, though, & felt a studio recording of it with Bonnie Raitt, its original singer & writer, would have made a big hit on AC radio.
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Old 06-12-2008, 12:55 PM
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I can do a solo record, but what will happen is 1,000 hard-core fans will buy it and push the send button and send it to 5 million others. That makes me wonder, why bother? People are stealing our songs.

I think its a little insulting to as she puts it, 'hard-core' fans, that we will just buy it and 'send' it on....I think its a cop out, putting out a new album with all the logistics involved is hard work and I don't think she wants to work that hard.....
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As far as the other stuff? I wonder who she's listening to that's advising her on setlists and new albums? Who says 1000 hardcore fans are stealing music?
Actually, they're more likely to buy the music and give it to friends as gifts. Honestly, since you could get a CD with your ticketmaster purchase, I had so many copies of UTS, I could have paved my driveway with them. But as has been noted, Stevie's confusing the behavior of hard core fans with that of casual fans here.

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Geez, I don't go to the bathroom during a Stevie concert. It's before and after. I get my t-shirt before too.
I never leave my seat. Still, it's true that a lot of people did run for the doors during the SYW tour, for Come and Red Rover especially, but it's hard for me to know whether it happened during any of Stevie's new songs because she didn't keep them in the setlist long enough for me to make an assessment.

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Old 06-12-2008, 01:30 PM
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I saw the video on YouTube from one of Stevie's shows; she & her band just ... play it.

I love CIRCLE DANCE, though, & felt a studio recording of it with Bonnie Raitt, its original singer & writer, would have made a big hit on AC radio.
I've avoided Youtube because I want to be surprised. Although there's no guarantee that I'll be seeing Stevie any time soon.

As far as Bonnie Raitt goes, anytime Stevie wants to get together with her and do I Can't Make You Love Me, I will be all over it.

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Old 06-12-2008, 02:36 PM
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Like a lot of you, I gotta wonder how many fans she thinks she has. It took more than 1000 fans to make her Trouble In Shangri-la album debut at #5. That's a respectable showing for someone who hadn't released a new album since 1994, and that last album wasn't anything, by her own admission, to "crow" about. On the other hand, is Stevie saying out of all the fans she has, maybe 1000 of them are weasels and crooks. I hope Stevie's implying MOST of her fans aren't ripping her off. This is the lady who said she's given up "everything" for her fans. Did the internet totally change her perception of who her fans are?

I don't even think fans share her album in the way she is imagining. "Those evil internet people." I think the internet fans here have more than gone the mile in policing people to NOT share anything commericially released. I don't doubt there are people that burn a copy for a friend. They did it with cassettes too, in the past. But if you are really really a Stevie fan, you want to buy it yourself, have the lyrics, the art work, the pictures. You want to open the cellophane. (Okay, that part is annoying.) You want to read the liner notes. You want to try to figure out who the people are that she's thanked and why. You wonder if you'll find mistakes on the thing.

The people that got a gratis "copy" from a friend would have never bought the album anyhow. I'm guessing if you had to "share" an album with someone, it was probably because you were dragging someone against their will to a concert and you wanted to get them up to speed. You more than made up for it by paying the cost of shelling out for your friend's ticket at the show. Besides, you probably only made a sort of "best of" album, incorporating the gems of Fleetwood Mac and her solo career that you figure they are going to hear at the show. You already KNOW the chances of Stevie incorporating any new songs into her act at this point are slim, and she'll drop 'em at the end of the opening show. (WHY do these artists feel that we have to be on our feet and singing along to every song to PROVE that we are listening and enjoying ourself?) Getting back on topic, if your friend liked what they heard from your promo, if they liked what they saw at the show, and you made a fan, you probably stimulated another sale of her work, or at least a coffee mug at the show. Record companies give out gratus "for your listening" promos all the time.

As others have said, her fans buy MULTIPLE copies. I had to laugh reading someone- I think it was michelej 1- who said you need one for the car, one for the house, one for work, and one kept in the wrapper "just in case." I've done that with a couple of my Stevie/Lindsey/Chris or FM albums.

No one is asking Stevie to drop all her basic staples or hits. Don't you just wish you could have a conversation with her? Stevie's die hard fans just want one or two more songs--something that's a surprise. NOT a Dave Matthews song or Bob Seger's stuff. As I read though the comments, we are all saying the same thing. We've all been saying the SAME thing for the past two years. We just can't seem to get the message through to Stevie.

Stevie: It's a rock concert, they sell beer. People have to use the rest room. It's basic physiology. It's not an orchestral setting. If you want that, stop selling beer at your concerts. Do some intimate venues that require shoes, shirts and ties. Play at the Music Box instead of The Event Center at the Borgata. Stevie, do you even know some of venues you select sell popcorn and hot dogs in the stands! You want people "sitting" or "standing" at the front? Then find a way to get the tickets out to your die hard fans without comping them to the casino people. Stop using Ticketmaster. Sell them through "I Love All Access" or some similar control system.

Stevie, use your "official" fan website more to communicate with your fans, and make it a two way exchange. You said that's what you wanted, before you decided the internet was all evil. At least let the fans vote for TWO SONGS they want to hear on the tour. You can give fans a list of the songs you are capable of singing and find out what your fans have to say. They'd go NUTS for something like that. Finally, stop villifying your fan base. We've been supporting you and your band for years. Many of us stood in the whipping winds and in 6 inches of ocean water at Jones Beach just to see you, risking electrical shock and who knows WHAT was floating in the water there. Others have stood in miserable heat in HOTLANTA and in Texas. We've traveled to Arizona to see "your friends" or to Las Vegas, because it was supposed to be something "ultra." Your fans have been there in the lean years and the thick, the drug years and the sober years. We've been ripped off by the fan clubs that have come and gone over the years. And we're still here. This website proves it.
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Old 06-12-2008, 02:39 PM
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Stevie Nicks vows to stick with fan favorites for her show hereBy Kevin C. Johnson

When Stevie Nicks comes to Chaifetz Arena this weekend, her fans won't have to worry about her dropping "Gold Dust Woman," "Rhiannon," "Landslide" or other staples to make room for new material.

First of all, Nicks, 60, hasn't released new music since 2001's "Trouble in Shangri-La"; her latest release is last year's "Crystal Visions — The Very Best of Stevie Nicks."

Second, Nicks just isn't into deleting hits from her set.

"People aren't happy with you for doing that, and we've all tried," she says. "The Eagles tried it, Fleetwood Mac tried it, I've tried it. We try to do it because we want to do something different. But then when you do it, you find your audience going to the bathroom or going to buy a T-shirt.

"They've leaving because they're not familiar with what you're doing and don't care. So all we can do is take the nine or 10 songs they're coming to hear, build a set around those songs, add four or five songs, and mix it around, change the sequencing. Then it appears to be different to everybody."


To me its still the SOS. I guess she is pandering to those who just want to hear the HITZ and not the esoteric stuff that WE on the Ledge all love. I still dont get her doing a Bob Seger song or a crappy dave Mathews song. Just wait. You'll see at Chicago that everyone who has had a few will be leaving to go to restroom when she plays Crash!! Come on Stevie, dig into the catalog and give us something more than this!!!

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Old 06-12-2008, 02:43 PM
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Nicks, who filmed a PBS "Soundstage" episode to air this summer, had more to say about her music and tour.


Obviously, this must have been a Joe Thomas decision or Soundstage decision because we're all hearing the fall; Don't these people speak to each other???
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I think its a little insulting to as she puts it, 'hard-core' fans, that we will just buy it and 'send' it on....I think its a cop out, putting out a new album with all the logistics involved is hard work and I don't think she wants to work that hard.....
True that..although it does appear a new Fleetwood Mac album will happen so then she can show up to work on it when she feels like it and later complain bitterly that she dosen't like the way her songs were produced.
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[ Q. When you look over your solo repertoire with a collection like "Crystal Visions — The Very Best of Stevie Nicks," are there any regrets?

A. I have no regrets. I did everything pretty right. The only thing was in 1986, with the tranquilizers (she says it was Alonpin). I got through the pot and the cocaine and the Kool menthols and still worked. But the tranquilizers stole my soul. It was a very sad time. I curled up and didn't do anything. I could have made one or two more Fleetwood Mac records, and my own repertoire would've been 30 to 40 percent big



And this guy calls himself a BIG Stevie Nicks fan??? Maybe that tornadee scrambled hiz brainz!!!
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[QUOTE=JeannieKartis;759030]I can do a solo record, but what will happen is 1,000 hard-core fans will buy it and push the send button and send it to 5 million others. That makes me wonder, why bother? People are stealing our songs.


Is this Stevie talking or her label speaking??? HMMM, makes one wonder about that? Is it about the $$ to produce a new record or the effort?? Come clean mystery woman??? 1000 will buy and send it to 5 million? Has she given up the ghost and resigned herself to the fact (in her head anyway) that her CDs will NOT sell. I agree with many of you that they WILL sell if she'd only sit down and DO it. Member when Tom Petty told her to sit down and just do the album at dinner and she relented. He basically said, " Thats what you do!!" Why don't we call Tom and tell him to stick a firecracker in her A** and light it again to get some new music out of her!! Not only that, she has such a depp catalog, give us a half and half deal, new and old deep cuts. I'd buy that and so would the more than 1000 members of the Ledge and other lists!!
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True that..although it does appear a new Fleetwood Mac album will happen so then she can show up to work on it when she feels like it and later complain bitterly that she dosen't like the way her songs were produced.



So that she can fight with Lindsey some more!!!
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Hey, who remembers that interview from a few years back when she said she went to Hawaii (with her friends) to write new songs for an album? Even at the time, I suspected that was crap. Maybe she wrote a little, but you don't go on a best-girlfriends island paradise party if the purpose is really to create material for an album. I will try to find that interview.
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