Stevie Nicks Says Issues With Lindsey Buckingham Threaten Her Involvement With FM

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by michelej1

He never said it was about the money. Stevie said it was not about the money for Lindsey, because she said that he had more money than the rest of them.

"You know, Lindsey's made a whole lot more money than anybody else did because he produces. The producers get paid first. And he probably didn't spend nearly as much money as everybody else did; he lives way simpler. So he didn't have to do this for money, you know. The rest of us would all like to put something away for, you know, our golden twilight years. But he has to want to do it, or we don't want to do it either."

Michele

No, there is an intervierw where he explicitly says it. I remember Carne opined on it and cited it as proof. Let me look for it. Also - it is not that he or La Nicks need the money at all. Both could never work again, even in 1997. I think it was about making millions of dollars one more time and adding to the already significant pile they both have.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

^^^

And, in all that time, they never wrote and produced a song together. To me, that suggests the event will never happen.

Well, I guess you could say they produced Walter Egan together, in a way. As for songwriting, at first Stevie said she was jealous when he wrote World Turning with Chris and had never written with her. And she thought it was odd they'd never written together. But by the time SYW came out she said they had never written together and never would. It wasn't something she thought they could or should want to do (or even try) anymore.

From what Javier says, the Deep Dense lyrics are hers. So, if Lindsey ever finishes that, they would have written something together -- sort of.

Michele

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by michelej1

The evidence establishes that Stevie and Lindsey did fight during the SYW process, because she made that perfectly clear at the time. She also said that she didn't sit there and take it. She stood her ground then. So, why is she playing the victim now?

It's just impossible for me to accept this mousy picture of herself she's painting today, based on what I saw then.

She's always the put upon one in lyrics and interviews. It seems to be more of an image she has of herself than a reality.

Conversely, I don't think anyone in the band has the same "poor little flower" impression of Stevie that she has of herself.

How could he crush, conquer or bully her, if she holds all the cards? If there is no FM without her, he can't make her do anything she doesn't want to do. That was true in 2003 and 2004, just like it is today. So, I'm not sure how this victim routine can be credited.

Maybe it's not a matter of whether or not she stands up for herself, but more a matter of her not wanting to have to anymore. Maybe she'd like it if she could offer an opinion and have it be legitimately considered and not just automatically tossed aside as rubbish -- unless she raises a big fuss about it.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Not even from Christine herself (in fact, after he left the band, I got the feeling Christine was somewhat downplaying Lindsey's role in the production aspect).

I think that was more immediately in the wake of his exit, around the Cage tour. Later, she never downplayed it. Even when she was promoting In The Meantime, she praised him. I'm not even sure the relationship between her and Lindsey was good then. I suspect it was not, judging from his comments, but even then she talked about his influence. They asked her why her solo songs sounded like FM and she laughed and said it was because she'd written the FM hits. But then she became serious and said it was because Lindsey had influenced all of them so much.

Michele

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I think that was more immediately in the wake of his exit, around the Cage tour. Later, she never downplayed it. Even when she was promoting In The Meantime, she praised him.

I was also thinking about 'Mask' and 'Time' era interviews (especially the former), but she does seem to have softened a bit in more recent times when talking about Lindsey.

Oh, and Jason, I can't recall Lindsey saying that 'The Dance' was about "the money," per se, although I do remember him saying that one of the big pluses for him was the fact that it would raise his profile again when it came to releasing his long-gestating solo album.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Maybe it's not a matter of whether or not she stands up for herself, but more a matter of her not wanting to have to anymore. Maybe she'd like it if she could offer an opinion and have it be legitimately considered and not just automatically tossed aside as rubbish -- unless she raises a big fuss about it.

Yeah, I guess. Of course, I don't know if she automatically considers his opinions and doesn't toss those aside as rubbish too. It seems to me that since they are often diametrically opposed, maybe there's not a lot of consideration on either side. I know she said, "In the studio, if Lindsey said the wall was gray, I will be absolutely sure it was pink." I don't know if she is more open to gray than he is to pink or not.

To stop all the fighting, I think it would be a great idea if Sheryl came in and produced Stevie's songs and Lindsey had nothing to do with them. Then, I think Lindsey should do his songs with someone from the past, like Richard. Although that would probably create the same double solo album problem that SYW had, where it doesn't sound like a group endeavor. Of course, maybe at this point in the band, we can't have a band anymore. Just hope for some fresh music from both (separate) sides and then maybe a joint tour. Separate but equal.

Michele

[strandinthewind]

From The Orange County Register - August 12, 1997

So why did Buckingham finally relent?

"Why indeed?" he says with a laugh in a separate telephone interview from his Los Angeles hotel room. "There’s a point of view that is probably debatable that basically says the visibility from doing this...of having taken off 10 years and now being reinserted back into the group, that that visibility would be helpful in terms of rolling over into a solo album coming out."

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I was also thinking about 'Mask' and 'Time' era interviews (especially the former), but she does seem to have softened a bit in more recent times when talking about Lindsey.
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Yes, I know what you mean about BTM. But by the time you get to 1993, Christine had come full circle again. Christine didn't agree with Dave Mason in the Time tour, didn't know why Mick kept trying to mend a broken vase. When asked who she would have had other than Dave, she said:

Lindsey Buckingham, I think he was the most superlative guitar player this band will ever have. A true shining light. After Lindsey, everybody else seems a little palid. I'm not talking talent, just chemistry for Fleetwood Mac.

She also said in 1993 that her biggest regrets in FM were not having had a #1single and Lindsey leaving: "Not that I’m criticizing the guys we got in to replace him-Rick Vito and Billy Burnette. They’re both fine musicians. But I do regret that Lindsey’s gone. There was a creative chemistry there which, when it was right, was absolutely amazing. Our individual approaches to music were so different, but there was this point where they met that was quite magical. To find that quality with other musicians is very difficult. It’s a once in a lifetime thing."


Michele

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

"Why indeed?" he says with a laugh in a separate telephone interview from his Los Angeles hotel room. "There’s a point of view that is probably debatable that basically says the visibility from doing this...of having taken off 10 years and now being reinserted back into the group, that that visibility would be helpful in terms of rolling over into a solo album coming out."[/COLOR]

Yeah, no money talk. Michele

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

. . . Oh, and Jason, I can't recall Lindsey saying that 'The Dance' was about "the money," per se, although I do remember him saying that one of the big pluses for him was the fact that it would raise his profile again when it came to releasing his long-gestating solo album.

It was I think in the SYW press stuff. He was saying I think about how SYW was new material (ironic isn't it) and The Dance was about the money. Carne commented on it as proof of LB's greed or whatever. Is there a way to search for it on here. I tried, but nothing really came up.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Yeah, no money talk. Michele

Well, yes it is. I mean he wanted to raise the profile for his health? Of course not, he did it so his solo record would sell. That is apparent to me. Though they all said it was not about the money then in 97. Also, this is dispositive of my point that LB uses FM to regain popularity that his solo career cannot give him save perhaps for Law and Order. I need to find that SYW article.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Yeah, I guess. Of course, I don't know if she automatically considers his opinions and doesn't toss those aside as rubbish too. It seems to me that since they are often diametrically opposed, maybe there's not a lot of consideration on either side. I know she said, "In the studio, if Lindsey said the wall was gray, I will be absolutely sure it was pink." I don't know if she is more open to gray than he is to pink or not.

Even though I do believe them when they say they're in a comparatively "better" place than they have been in many years, I do think they both still have knee-jerk reactions to each other.

I think that Lindsey, for his part, can be rather dismissive of Stevie's opinions and forgets that she does know a thing or two about making music, and I think that Stevie, for her part, automatically mistrusts Lindsey's intentions because of their acrimonious past -- without ever giving him the benefit of the doubt.

I'd suggest a Dr. Phil intervention for the two of them, but I despise that square-headed, pompous windbag.

Originally Posted by michelej1

To stop all the fighting, I think it would be a great idea if Sheryl came in and produced Stevie's songs and Lindsey had nothing to do with them. Then, I think Lindsey should do his songs with someone from the past, like Richard. Although that would probably create the same double solo album problem that SYW had, where it doesn't sound like a group endeavor.

Josh (my mate) and I have talked about this several times, and I would really love to see Richard Dashut back in the producer's chair. Back in '95, I was surprised by how much 'Time' sounded like a "Fleetwood Mac" album without Lindsey at the helm -- which opened my eyes to the fact that Richard & Ken probably had a lot more to do with that sound than they're ever given credit for.

Plus, both Lindsey AND Stevie trust Richard, and he respects both of them.

So perhaps Lindsey & Richard could work together on Lindsey's material, and Sheryl & Richard could work together on Stevie's material (if Stevie would still like to have a woman to bounce things off of in the studio)... that, I think, would give the album cohesion and a comfortable atmosphere for all parties.

[Miss Vicky]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Well, yes it is. I mean he wanted to raise the profile for his health? Of course not, he did it so his solo record would sell.

But it could just as easily be said that he wanted to raise his profile and sell more solo records for that long sought after recognition rather than for the money.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Miss Vicky

But it could just as easily be said that he wanted to raise his profile and sell more solo records for that long sought after recognition rather than for the money.

Thus my long standing point that they go hand in hand for him. But who knows, maybe now he realizes he will likely never have significant commercial success as a solo artist and is content with adulation only. It certtainly seems that way.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Well, yes it is. I mean he wanted to raise the profile for his health? Of course not, he did it so his solo record would sell. That is apparent to me. Though they all said it was not about the money then in 97. Also, this is dispositive of my point that LB uses FM to regain popularity that his solo career cannot give him save perhaps for Law and Order. I need to find that SYW article.

But no one ever said Lindsey wasn't more interested in his solo album than he was in FM during the Dance. That's all he talked about at the time. Stevie even said that he was candid on that score. He said he was glad the Dance tour ended because he wanted to get back to that solo album.

You said that Lindsey said The Dance was about money and he wanted to rake in the millions one last time. Your quote about a roll over doesn't suggest any such thing. Now you're saying that you're implying that because he wanted to use the Dance exposure to promote his solo album, he expected to make big money off the solo album. Well, ok. But that's your take on what he said, not what he actually did say. No money talk.

As for him always using FM to help his solo career, before The Dance, the timing of his FM and solo projects was never right for that in the past. Mirage and Tango did nothing to help his solo endeavors, because he didn't have any to promote when he was getting publicity for those FM ventures.

There's no pattern of him using FM to help his solo work. Does he use FM to support himself so that he can indulge in his non-commercial solo endeavors? Yes. I think that's obvious. That is what I was saying when I likened him to George Clooney, Good Night and Good Luck and Oceans 11. FM has made him rich. No argument there.

Michele