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Old 03-28-2008, 09:20 AM
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Who more than likely will be the next President. I love how Obama fans automatically assume his 100 point lead is something like a staggering shoe in. It is not. Moreover, he won it without winning Florida and/or Michigan, which Hillary won, albeit in a straw poll. Put it this way, if the table were turned and Obama was down by this tiny amount, would you, as a clear Obama fan, be singing the same song or would you be saying something like Hillary's lead hardly places her automatically in the winner's circle and the super delegates are a great thing?

In the end, the D's better hope and pray that:

1. If Obama wins, that idiot of a preacher that he blindly sticks by because he has to to get the black vote will keep his mouth shut and not alienate anymore voters.

2. The Hillary D's will vote for him instead of not voting or voting for McCain or some other candidate.

Again, I am not a fan of Hillary's, but her record in the Senate demonstrates she can work on both sides of the aisle and can get things done. Obama does not have any history of any groundbreaking legislation and he surrounds himself with lobbyists working or free and allegedly will never ask for payment to the piper - and people believe that, which to me is unbelievable. But, I voted for him in the GA primary and would vote for him for Pres., even though I think he is a liar with a cult of personality - a dangerous combination in my book.
I have to admit that I have been conflicted about the Obama vs. Clinton issue as of late. Although Hillary talks a good game politically, I think she really misses the boat when it comes to economics. And her healthcare proposal is a joke. And, like Obama, she cannot admit to any wrongdoing, such as the Iraq war, NAFTA, etc., and she has waffled on these issues. However, she has represented NY well in the senate, and she seemed to have a good record on the Armed Forces Committee. At least she was doing something!

I like what Obama has said on a number of issues, especially on healthcare and the environment. He's a great orator, but like Hillary has said repeatedly, he really has a track record of doing nothing substantial. And his bluster and gravitas seem so irreconcilable with his lack of accomplishments; this comes across as being extremely pretentious. And even though he is clearly looking to disenfranchise the voters in FL and MI, he does the whole political song and dance to weasel his way out of it. He's a shape-shifter and he has floated by unscathed because he has no track record, good or bad, to take aim at.

But at the end of the day, for me it's not a question of Hillary vs. Obama. It's about (insert Dem nominee here) vs. McCain. Which Dem is electable? My feeling is that Obama is already unelectable. Even though he has come out as being 100% Christian, you know that the GOP machine will always call him by his full name: Barak Hussein Obama. Reasonable people will take that with a grain of salt, but the religious wack jobs aren't going to stand for having a Muslim president, or one that even sounds remotely Muslim. And you know that those Reverent Wright tapes will be played in a continuous loop in every TV commercial. And you know that Michelle Obama's "For the first time I am proud to be an American" speech will be played continuously. And it's one thing for BO to have disenfranchised the Dem voters in solidly red states like Kansas or Oklahoma... but MI and FL are crucial battleground states. But most importantly, BO still has not captured a good percentage of the white male vote, which is critical for winning. And when you have someone of McCain's stature as a long-serving politician/war hero who has taken right and left stances on the issues in the past, the odds are stacked even higher.

Sure, Hillary is no saint, but she has proven herself on this campaign to be an unflagging, tenacious candidate with a can-do spirit despite all the naysayers. Although she was wildly unpopular in the traditionally red states, the hard truth is that it really doesn't matter since their electoral votes are going Republican anyway. She has the white blue collar vote, a majority of the white female vote, and a majority of the Hispanic vote. And I would imagine that she would have the majority of the black vote too since I can't imagine many would vote for McCain.

If the Dems truly want to win this election vs. getting revenge on Billary, they'd better pull their heads out of Obama's rear end and get a dose of reality.
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