Sheryl Crow is joining Fleetwood Mac!!!

[gretchen]

OMG, please NO!!!! The entire dynamic of Fleetwood Mac would be ruined IMO. I'm not a fan of Crow and it would just taint the whole beauty of the Mac.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Who knows in the end. But, if La Nicks did agree to a third leg to help him out, that suggests that she was not such a beyotch that people make her out to be. Again, I think that they originally agreed to a certain number of dates (say 40) (which is pretty standard) -- then the idea of the double record came up somewhere early in the process and it was not dismissed until later.

Stevie agreeing to a longer tour suggests that she likes money just as much as the next guy. Mick got Lindsey into the tour by promising him a double album and Lindsey thought a long tour would help pay for the expense of that double album. I doubt he would have had that preconception in the first place, if he contemplated only a 40 date tour. Then he learned that Stevie was hedging on a long tour and he gave up the idea of a double album.

As for UTS, yes, it could have cost Lindsey money because I know that OOTC cost him money. But that's what he does. He spends money to get his music out, as his willingness to foot the extra SYW bill establishes. I doubt that he was poverty-stricken however, as Stevie is the one talking about how much money he had after the Dance tour. He didn't say he didn't need to reunite with FM for the money. She said it. So, I doubt he spent everything Stevie claimed he had in just 6 years.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I did find it interesting that he sold what was touted as his recently completed dream home and where he had lived for two plus decades for somewhere around $20 million after the tour and moved to a much less expensive and exclusive neighborhood. Who knows - maybe he did that to finance UTS and the resulting tour, which were critical but not financial successes.

They said that the house they moved out of was not conducive to family life. Big Love made it clear to the world that it was, indeed, the house on the hill and maybe the layout wasn't exactly kid friendly. At any rate, it was at the height of the real estate market and if someone was nutty enough to pay 21.5 million for a house that Lindsey paid less than 1/4 of that amount for, then I think he was wise to capitalize on the offer, take his money and run. I don't think it was the mark of financial need. His current house is worth about 5.5 million, so, in moving, I don't think he actually had to lower his standards all that much.

Michele

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Again, which band member said this and when did they say it?

Lindsey said that on Destiny Rules. All you have to do is look at the thing and the various band conversations all the way through (instead of getting snippets extracted) to see the progression.

And I'm confused, because you're the one who brought up Destiny Rules in this thread. You obviously did it to make a point initially, but now you claim that DR is unreliable and no one will ever know what actually happened. I agree with you there, but I think looking at the documentary and band interviews, which took place before the tour and which was released by the band itself or (in the case of interviews) published in reputable periodicals, is a better way of piecing together what happened than repeating undocumented gossip from unnamed sources, allegedly whispered at unspecified times and places.

Michele

Michele

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Stevie agreeing to a longer tour suggests that she likes money just as much as the next guy . . . .

I am not saying she does not. I am saying that she may have originally said she would do 40 or so dates with FM because she wanted to do another solo thing, take some time off, etc. So, when the dynamic changed, she reentered negotiations. This does not make her a bad person.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by michelej1

. . . They said that the house they moved out of was not conducive to family life. Big Love made it clear to the world that it was, indeed, the house on the hill and maybe the layout wasn't exactly kid friendly. At any rate, it was at the height of the real estate market and if someone was nutty enough to pay 21.5 million for a house that Lindsey paid less than 1/4 of that amount for, then I think he was wise to capitalize on the offer, take his money and run. I don't think it was the mark of financial need. His current house is worth about 5.5 million, so, in moving, I don't think he actually had to lower his standards all that much.

Michele

Ummm - they designed it - it was a brand new house and in no way resembled the house LB lived in all those years. That house, I believe was damaged in an earthquake. So, of course it was kid friendly seeing as how it was built when they had children. So, I am not buying that

As for the cost of the house. To build and furnish that house would have been well over $10 million. So, let's say he got $20 million for it. Take away the $1.2 million commissioner of 6 or so percent - then the cap. gains tax would take another 20-25% (I am unsure of the rate at that time). So, he likely made around $5-7 million off of the sale, which hardly seems worth the effort considering the lessening of lifestyle and when juxtaposed to the wealth he is said to have That is why it seems fishy to me.

Also, $5 million house in Bel Air or any mostly comparable surrounding area is not that great of a house when compared to the house on the hill.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Lindsey said that on Destiny Rules. All you have to do is look at the thing and the various band conversations all the way through (instead of getting snippets extracted) to see the progression.

And I'm confused, because you're the one who brought up Destiny Rules in this thread. You obviously did it to make a point initially, but now you claim that DR is unreliable and no one will ever know what actually happened. I agree with you there, but I think looking at the documentary and band interviews, which took place before the tour and which was released by the band itself or (in the case of interviews) published in reputable periodicals, is a better way of piecing together what happened than repeating undocumented gossip from unnamed sources, allegedly whispered at unspecified times and places.

Michele

Michele

No, I am saying you are asserting it as a fact, when in fact no one ever said exactly that. Thus, it is your opinion - not a fact, which erodes the foundation of your point.

[michelej1]

No one said Stevie was a bad person.

I also don't think she backed out of a longer tour to help Lindsey financially. Although I think she has actively helped Mick (and John too, although there's no reason to think John is cramped for money) and has done some things for Fleetwood Mac, just so that Mick could make money.

I was looking at some pre-tour press regarding tour length and saw that 40-60 dates were contemplated. And Mick said they had enough material for a duoble album in June 2002, which is probably when he told Lindsey he could have one, as Lindsey later said Mick had said it in DR.



Philadelphia Daily News (PA), June 26, 2002

Section: FEATURES

Mick Fleetwood mellows at 55 Former hard-living rocker changes diapers - and his lifestyle


SUE ZEIDLER Reuters

LOS ANGELES Drummer Mick Fleetwood, who turned 55 Monday, finds himself in the odd position of changing diapers at middle age even as he toils in the studio with members of the veteran rock band he co-founded in the late 1960s.

The tall, lanky, British-born musician divides his time these days between working on a new Fleetwood Mac album, dabbling in various entrepreneurial activities and raising twin baby girls with his wife of about 10 years, Lynn.

During a telephone interview, Fleetwood said that both his creative and parenting skills had improved with age.

He also said he and his bandmates are more at peace with themselves and each other, in stark contrast to the old days when Fleetwood Mac endured bitter internal rivalries and turmoil as the group churned out hit after hit.

"Our last outing was better than ever," he said, referring to Fleetwood Mac's 1997 reunion album, "The Dance," which sold more than 4 million copies in the United States and paved the way for a successful U.S. tour.

"It has to be happy. We don't want to go back into the dark ages of Fleetwood Mac, when it was way too crazy, not all that happy. We're so much over that. We came out on the other side, survivors and incredibly intact, and it's very conducive to the creative process," he said.

The new album reunites Fleetwood with three members of the band's most popular incarnation - bass player and British co-founder John McVie, along with American songwriters and former lovers Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks. Sitting this one out is McVie's ex-wife, singer-keyboardist Christine McVie, who has retired and is living in England.

Don't stop

The band, which shot to fame in the 1970s at the peak of its progression from British blues combo to California rock institution, has already produced enough material in the past 18 months to fill a double CD, Fleetwood said. The material was recorded in a Los Angeles house leased by the band.

Fleetwood expects the band to have the album out by early next year and to follow up with a tour in April 2003. The band also is releasing a greatest hits package around Christmas 2002, he said.

Fleetwood said there are "mumblings" from time to time of contributions by Christine McVie, but that the remaining four members have been moving ahead at full steam. In some ways, he said, the Buckingham/Nicks creative connection has been rekindled in the absence of Christine McVie.

"It's a major thing for Stevie and Lindsey. They came in as a couple, and in a strange way it's come full circle. Now that Christine is not in the mix, the Buckingham/Nicks chemistry is back, and they're having the chance to live out some of the things and energies that couldn't exist in the past 27 years," he said.

Fleetwood, who has two grown daughters as well as a grandson, is now back to putting diapers on his 4-month-old twins, Tessa and Ruby.

He said that being an older dad has definite advantages.

"It's way more interesting the second time around and when you're older. You're more focused," he said. "I was on the road when the others were younger. I am from memory a lot more hands on than I was. And it's a great benefit that I'm not on the road."

Of course, next year could be different when he plans to take the band back on the road, with the families in tow.

"With all the children, it will be like a band of gypsies," he said, joking that he expected everyone will want the babies and nannies "way in the back of the plane." *

[Then this September 2002 blurb from the Milwaukee Sentinel]

Fleetwood Mac will embark on a 40- to 60-date North American tour of arenas and amphitheaters in April 2003, according to Billboard.com. Christine McVie will sit out the tour, which will feature Mick Fleetwood, Stevie Nicks, Lindsay Buckingham and John McVie. Dates have not been announced. A new studio album will be released next spring, and a 36-track, two-CD greatest-hits package, "The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac," is due Oct. 15.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

No, I am saying you are asserting it as a fact, when in fact no one ever said exactly that. Thus, it is your opinion - not a fact, which erodes the foundation of your point.

How can it erode the foundation, when I wasn't even making a point about Destiny Rules here? You were. You were the one comparing that period of FM to Sheryl Crow's addition. Because you said that Lindsey said he would take back his master reels, so I guess your argument was that he made ultimatums then just like Stevie is apparently making ultimatums now.

However, Lindsey said he could always take back his masters because Mick backed out of the deal for a double album. And Lindsey does say that Mick reneged on his promise in Destiny Rules. That's not my opinion. That's what Lindsey says.

The fact was, Lindsey didn't get the double album. Yet, the band did get his songs, so he was out leveraged by the others in the end and I don't see how that compares to the Sheryl Crow issue at hand.

Michele

[strandinthewind]

^^^

Because they talked about SC joing the band then. Now, they are talking about it again and many here said or assumed that LB would have to compromise again to be in FM. They assumed he did not want SC there.

In any event, this subject of compromise is talked out

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

^^^

Because they talked about SC joing the band then. Now, they are talking about it again and many here said or assumed that LB would have to compromise again to be in FM. They assumed he did not want SC there.

In any event, this subject of compromise is talked out

They didn't talk about SC joining the band in Destiny Rules. But you're certainly right that there were press and fan rumors about Sheryl Crow joining the band then.

Michele

[strandinthewind]

^^^

No, DR was the thing where LB says to La Nicks "keep writing songs like that and we'll make this a double album yet," which implies that a double album was obviously discussed, but was NOT a "promise" made to LB in order to get him to record with the band

[bellagypsy79]

Originally Posted by skcin

^ Didn't you just post this earlier?




Only you, Chili. You know damn well nobody would see this thread if it were posted there.



I can't believe I'm saying this. I agree.



I have to ask - are you for real? Jock sniffing? You may not like Crow, but the bitch is talented, and no hanger-on. She made a name for herself & became successful BEFORE any of the collaborations with Stevie, so you don't seem to have a leg to stand on with that argument. And yeah, what a horrible bitch she is for doing charity benefits & for daring to take the stage with people who invited her to do so, or to collaborate with other artists & try to create music. That whore.



You're right, of course, that's the only reason it could possibly be.




Oh, so you've talked to Mick & John & found it not to be the case this time?



Agreed.



Ah, see, but then the newcomer would be accused of, how was it put earlier, jock sniffing. Riding the Mac's coattails. Can't win with you unless they ask a former member of the band to join, I guess. God forbid things move forward.



Hand over the spotlight? How is she handing over the spotlight? Mama can hold her own, regardless of who's currently in better voice. It obviously wasn't an issue on the TISL tour, so why would it be now?



Well said.



You still listen to the band?






Um. OK. You do know that Sheryl & Stevie haven't really been seen together since 2001/2002, right? And that was 7 years ago! You do realize that some people assumed they must have had a big ol' fight since they weren't out & about & talking about what good friends they are, right? You do realize that Sheryl Crow has collaborated with several other musicians besides Stevie, right? You do realize that Sheryl was famous & successful BEFORE she started hanging out with Stevie, right? And have you heard Stevis sing live? Yeah, sorry, it's not like her albums - and it shouldn't be! If I wanted to hear the album version of any song by ANY artist, I'd stay home & listen to it rather than shell out cash for a concert. In regards to Sheryl, have you ever heard "Strong Enough" live? or "Safe & Sound?" or "THe Difficult Kind" live?

Can you point me to a recent article/interview where Sheryl "is constantly (and this is a fact), rubbing it in everyone's faces that she's friends with Stevie Nicks. It is getting a little exausting..." That is not a fact, honey, that's your opinion. And you're entitled to it. But the facts (the real ones) do not back up your argument, IMO. Sheryl & Stevie have not mentioned eachother in detail in years - YEARS! I'm not pissed at you, but I think you're wrong.




Oh, God, I remember in '03 bitching about how they needed to release more singles. They finally did, Thrown Down & Steal Your Heart Away - right before Thanksgiving. You know what happened? All the stations that typically play AC music switched to their "all Christmas music" format & that plan was shot to hell.



I don't think she's writing much AT ALL. Her "recent writing" is now 5-10 years old. So I don't know - maybe her dad dying & the last Mac tour & Chris leaving for good & LB having kids but her not will inspire her again. But I don't know. I'd be happy if they DID take some of her "vault" material & worked on it. Why not?



Wow. You seem to be taking this really seriously - and personally. Just an observation.

well someone is, and it's not me. I just expressed myself, but I'm not being bitchy.



Exactly.



I agree - we'll have to wait & see. I like discussing "what ifs" but Jesus, people, calm down. We have no idea if this will be the best move ever, or suck the hardest. I'm glad this is igniting discussion, but wow. I personally don't know how I feel about the news. I'm definitely not upset - maybe more cautiously optimistic?



Yessir, you're correct. There have been rumblings about this since 2001. Just hasn't been anything recently, and I think it took most of us by surprise since Sheryl & Stevie haven't been as publicly connected as they had in the past.

Ok, so you think I'm wrong??? Well that is your opinion just like what I posted is mine. #1, I was NOT I REPEAT NOT, talking bed about Stevie singing live, I was talking about Sheryl Crow. #2, I am very well aware that sheryl has been around since my freshman year in high school and I have been listening to her ever since. i like her music, but with her being in fleetwood mac in my eyes just isn't a good idea. her voice doesn't sound like it should be in the band. And plus, to be honest, I don't want her in the band. But I don't work with the band and I don't make the rules, so I can't help how I feel, but I will say that it's not something that I want to see happen, and from being a fan since the age of 5, it's hard to let go of Christine. I am sorry that i pissed people off with my blog, but hey aren't we supposed to say what we feel and our opinions? Opinions and the truth can hurt, but don't "read between my lines", when I post something, "READ" it. Don't read what you want to see, read it for what it is. Everytime I post something anywhere, people don't read my words they read what they see and take it way out of line. (Just like when you see a coupon that says 20% off, but you don't bother to read the excusionsand fine print) You only read what you want to see.
I am not bad mouthing Sheryl Crow at all, I just get a little aggravated that she is always clinging to the Mac and Nicks. AND YES, I know that she has worked with other artists. DUH! But I am not talking about other artists I am talking about Mac and Nicks. I can't point you to the recent article where she is in peoples faces about being friends with Nicks, but I will say, you see plenty of photos online, and I do have articles thank you very much. And it is NOT my opinion about the rubbing in peoples faces it is a fact! If you want to think that it is my opinion, that' is your opinion. All I can say is that I do like Sheryl and you know what, If I were friends with someone as wonderful as Stevie, I would talk about her all the time. Let's just wait and see what happens, maybe it will work out, but if it does it does, if not, not

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by bellagypsy79

. . . And it is NOT my opinion about the rubbing in peoples faces it is a fact! If you want to think that it is my opinion, that' is your opinion . . . .

I think that she and La Nicks are or were and are again good friends is the fact. That you see it as SC rubbing peoples' faces in it is the opinion part In other words, others may see those pics in the magazines and those mentions in interviews as innocent and factual with no face rubbing. They are interpreting the fact just as you are.

[skcin]

Reality check. Nobody here knows what anyone in the band truly thinks or feels about anything, past or present. We can assume things from interviews, documentaries, rumours, inside sources, etc. But none of us really know ****. It's all opinion & theories. Just wanted to point that out.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by skcin

Reality check. Nobody here knows what anyone in the band truly thinks or feels about anything, past or present. We can assume things from interviews, documentaries, rumours, inside sources, etc. But none of us really know ****. It's all opinion & theories. Just wanted to point that out.

Exactly -