Did Christine ever write about Stevie?

[David]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Well, maybe just different parts of it are about him, like the word "Daddy" and well . . . that's it. I don't think the why are you so right and I'm so wrong sounds like Mick, but he probably thinks it does. Guess he thinks that fits him to a tee.

Michele

Didn't Christine say (or mean) that "Oh Daddy" was about Mick & Jenny, but not from Christine's perspective? So maybe the "I" of the beholder is Mick or Jenny -- or another mysterious observer.
(shivers)

It's kind of like the way that I think "Silver Girl" is about Sheryl Crow, but only by way of the nominal "I" of Sheryl's lover, who is himself being observed by his sister-in-law once-removed, via marriage (& abrupt divorce) to Aunt Tessy. Sheryl's cousin's best friend's Aunt Tessy, that is.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by David

Didn't Christine say (or mean) that "Oh Daddy" was about Mick & Jenny, but not from Christine's perspective? So maybe the "I" of the beholder is Mick or Jenny -- or another mysterious observer.
(shivers)

Yeah, maybe it's from the perspective of Mick's daughter talking to her dad. That's the ticket!

Originally Posted by David

It's kind of like the way that I think "Silver Girl" is about Sheryl Crow, but only by way of the nominal "I" of Sheryl's lover, who is himself being observed by his sister-in-law once-removed, via marriage (& abrupt divorce) to Aunt Tessy. Sheryl's cousin's best friend's Aunt Tessy, that is.

Ok and what's up with the use of both "you" and "he" in Thrown Down? It distressed Lindscrafter and, by extension, me (or she). Michele

[macfan 57]

Originally Posted by Gailh

I can see how Ask anybody would be about Dennis Wilson. "Somehow, someday he'll change and we'll try it all over again" - have I got the right song?

Gail

Yes, that's the song. She specifically mentioned the lyrics, "He's a devil & and an angel" as being about Dennis.

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by macfan 57

Yes, that's the song. She specifically mentioned the lyrics, "He's a devil & and an angel" as being about Dennis.

It's a devils disguise
angel in black
and I recognize the face
behind the mask


Is this about Dennis too?

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by michelej1

As CAH lived with Lindsey and talked to him every day, I can see how she is qualified to say who his songs are about, but I don't think she has any idea who Chris' songs are about. I don't think Chris spent a lot of time confiding in her and Storms doesn't indicate that she did.

Well, I wouldn't really trust CAH or her book to be very accurate for information on anything. Although, there were a couple of very amusing anecdotes...

[LiamMcConville]

Songs that are obviously and completely about Stevie:

-You Make Lovin' Fun (It's all she wants to do!)

-Hold Me (Stick your hand inside of my glove obviously referencing lesbian foreplay.)

-Got a Hold On Me ("I've got a feelin' it'll work out right." Reference to Stevie's obsession with health and fitness.)

-Skies the Limit (Clearly an ode to Rhiannon, "and when the sky is starless.")

-Love In Store (Margi Kent's store that is, where their first "encounter" took place.)

-Only Over You ("People think I'm crazy, but they don't know [THAT I'M A LESBIAN.]")

-Wish You Were Here (Holds so much meaning to Christine regarding Stevie that she stole the intro to Silver Springs for it.)

-Songbird ("Singing like they know the score" obviously a reference to Stevie's orgasm noises, also said to sound like a white winged dove singing ooooo, baby, oooo, said oooo.)

-Oh Daddy (Christine's secret nickname for Stevie in the sack.)

-Everywhere (Self explanatory, Christine wants to be with Stevie everywhere, except for tours and in America.)

-Little Lies (Keeping your sexuality is kind of a big lie, but apparently Christine doesn't think so.)

-Say You Love Me (Rewritten because SCREAM MY NAME STEVIE wouldn't go over so well with commercial audiences.)

-Over My Head (Completely reference to where Stevie's ankle's go.)

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by vivfox

It's a devils disguise
angel in black
and I recognize the face
behind the mask


Is this about Dennis too?

I don't know, but remember that article that said the original title of the song was "Devil in White," if that offers any clues.

Michele

[macfan 57]

Originally Posted by vivfox

It's a devils disguise
angel in black
and I recognize the face
behind the mask


Is this about Dennis too?

I doubt it. In an interview, she mentioned that "Behind The Mask" was about a guy who was a creep(her words), so I doubt it was about DW.

[Chrislit18]

-Wish You Were Here (Holds so much meaning to Christine regarding Stevie that she stole the intro to Silver Springs for it.)

I actually notice that more from The Dance than the Rumours version.
serioulsy this has nothing to do with this thread, but I always thought I was the only one who noticed that.

[David]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Yeah, maybe it's from the perspective of Mick's daughter talking to her dad. That's the ticket!

No, no, you're reductio ad absurding it. I just mean that the subject of the song (whether it's 1st, 2nd or 3rd person) isn't necessarily the writer. Chris herself has said as much about her own songwriting. See her 1984 BAM article. See it now!!

Or maybe it's her 1984 Performing Songwriter interview ....

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by David

No, no, you're reductio ad absurding it. I just mean that the subject of the song (whether it's 1st, 2nd or 3rd person) isn't necessarily the writer. Chris herself has said as much about her own songwriting. See her 1984 BAM article. See it now!!

Or maybe it's her 1984 Performing Songwriter interview ....

HIEL DAVID!!

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by LiamMcConville

Songs that are obviously and completely about Stevie:

-You Make Lovin' Fun (It's all she wants to do!)

-Hold Me (Stick your hand inside of my glove obviously referencing lesbian foreplay.)

-Got a Hold On Me ("I've got a feelin' it'll work out right." Reference to Stevie's obsession with health and fitness.)

-Skies the Limit (Clearly an ode to Rhiannon, "and when the sky is starless.")

-Love In Store (Margi Kent's store that is, where their first "encounter" took place.)

-Only Over You ("People think I'm crazy, but they don't know [THAT I'M A LESBIAN.]")

-Wish You Were Here (Holds so much meaning to Christine regarding Stevie that she stole the intro to Silver Springs for it.)

-Songbird ("Singing like they know the score" obviously a reference to Stevie's orgasm noises, also said to sound like a white winged dove singing ooooo, baby, oooo, said oooo.)

-Oh Daddy (Christine's secret nickname for Stevie in the sack.)

-Everywhere (Self explanatory, Christine wants to be with Stevie everywhere, except for tours and in America.)

-Little Lies (Keeping your sexuality is kind of a big lie, but apparently Christine doesn't think so.)

-Say You Love Me (Rewritten because SCREAM MY NAME STEVIE wouldn't go over so well with commercial audiences.)

-Over My Head (Completely reference to where Stevie's ankle's go.)

hahahahahahaha!!!! thank u for that!

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by David

No, no, you're reductio ad absurding it. I just mean that the subject of the song (whether it's 1st, 2nd or 3rd person) isn't necessarily the writer.

That's a given. Even with Stevie's writing, which is often discussed as if it's about her, I often think of the subject as a protagonist, a character, which may or may not be the songwriter.

Stevie once said she thought it was the same Sara in welcome to the room as in the other song and sometimes I think like that too. Today I was saying, that I believe the "how still my love" in EO17 is part of the same conversation as HSML, same woman haunting (or taunting) the same man's dreams. Whether that woman is actually Stevie or not is immaterial, because even if it is Stevie, you're getting different aspects or facets of her in different songs, different characters even if they have the same source and creator.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if some lines of Oh Daddy are about Chris's relationship with Mick as band leader and others could be about Mick and Jenny and others could be just telling the story of a difficult love relationship, as a life observation that's not specific to any one person.

Michele