Tori Amos swears at 2 audience members - Page 4

strandinthewind · #46 12-26-2007, 08:43 PM

So, I take it you're buying Tori's side of the story

In the end, any person who has been on stage knows Tori acted in an non-professional manner. If you're okay with that - so be it. But, just be careful the next time you ask Jazzy to text you after every song, which would be like 12 texts, at a minimum, in each concert -- you may get him thrown out and you have lost your right to bitch about it - karma ya know

gldstwmn · #47 12-26-2007, 09:11 PM

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Last I checked, that is not illegal and the venue readily sells all kinds of stuff -- maybe Tori will now demand that no one leave the hall why she is playing -- we'll see who books her then

I have actually seen artists that only allow in and outs between songs. For the life of me now, I can't recall who they were. She may have been one of them.

vivfox · #48 12-27-2007, 01:08 AM

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I have actually seen artists that only allow in and outs between songs. For the life of me now, I can't recall who they were. She may have been one of them.

If Stevie or FM had this policy they wouldn't be afraid to play new songs.

TheWILDheart · #49 12-27-2007, 12:31 PM

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Bottom line, don't **** with Tori! She'll bite your head off!

TOO RIGHT!
God I love Tori. Think about it, if you were doing a presentation or a dance show or singing or woteva..you'd be pissed if someone was doing what those 2 were...I heard they were ringing people all night on their mobiles, yelling at each other, and spilling drinks all over the place. btw, SweetGirl24 i LOVE your sig..."I BELIEVE IN PEACE, BITCH...I believe, oh i believe in peace, i sed IIIII BELIEVE IN PEEEEEEAAACCCEEE!!"

Saw Tori live back in July and she was AMAZING!!! Tori was totally right to throw those 2 out. You do NOT mess with Miss. Amos! no no no no!

strandinthewind · #50 12-27-2007, 12:59 PM

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I have actually seen artists that only allow in and outs between songs. For the life of me now, I can't recall who they were. She may have been one of them.

Most theatre productions have a similar policy. The Met in NYC will not let you back in if you leave to go to the bathroom

strandinthewind · #51 12-27-2007, 01:00 PM

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If Stevie or FM had this policy they wouldn't be afraid to play new songs.

FABULOUS STRATEGY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gldstwmn · #52 12-27-2007, 01:03 PM

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If Stevie or FM had this policy they wouldn't be afraid to play new songs.

Touche'.

skcin · #53 12-27-2007, 01:23 PM

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So, I take it you're buying Tori's side of the story

In the end, any person who has been on stage knows Tori acted in an non-professional manner. If you're okay with that - so be it. But, just be careful the next time you ask Jazzy to text you after every song, which would be like 12 texts, at a minimum, in each concert -- you may get him thrown out and you have lost your right to bitch about it - karma ya know

I'm buying everyone's story except the girl that got kicked out, which would be Tori's & a few other fans who witnessed the incident. From what I've read (and I may have missed something) she's the only one disputing what happened, or how & why it happened.

And I've never asked Jazzy to text me a setlist.

Besides, quickly glancing down & typing 4 or 5 keys on a phone is a whole lot different than repeatedly talking loudly during songs, leaving your seat repeatedly, or using flash photography to the point of distraction.

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I have actually seen artists that only allow in and outs between songs. For the life of me now, I can't recall who they were. She may have been one of them.

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Most theatre productions have a similar policy. The Met in NYC will not let you back in if you leave to go to the bathroom

Shea's Buffalo won't either during Broadway shows. So there you go. It's common courtesy, really.

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If Stevie or FM had this policy they wouldn't be afraid to play new songs.

*Snort*

strandinthewind · #54 12-27-2007, 01:26 PM

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. . . Shea's Buffalo won't either during Broadway shows. So there you go. It's common courtesy, really . . . .

My point was that everyone does it during a rock or pop concert. It is standard for the one's I have been to and I have seen more than 100 acts

In fact, the venues will tell you they need the concession money.

In the end, Tori acted unprofessionally and it rubs me the wrong way. Then again, why I give a rat's a$$ I'll never know. Maybe it is because I have seen MANY a Ledgie act in a similar manner (on edit - I mean taking pics., talking, standing while the people behind them are sitting, sneaking up to the front row or giving others their tickets so they can come up and stand in front of the proper ticket holders in the rows behind them, etc. ) at concerts and now they are casting stones - - Plus, it is a sad commentary on how quiet things are around here

Interestingly and again, the proper method was to have her security deal with the situation. Is the reason you like this that she publicly told off some chick whose's actions you hate?

skcin · #55 12-27-2007, 01:40 PM

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My point was that everyone does it during a rock or pop concert. It is standard for the one's I have been to and I have seen more than 100 acts

In fact, the venues will tell you they need the concession money.

In the end, Tori acted unprofessionally and it rubs me the wrong way. Then again, why I give a rat's a$$ I'll never know. Maybe it is because I have seen MANY a Ledgie act in a similar manner at concerts and now they are casting stones - - Plus, it is a sad commentary on how quiet things are around here

Yes, everyone does get up at rock concerts. But NOT everyone distracts the performer with their rudeness to the extent that they blow up. I'm not saying Tori wasn't unprofessional, I'm saying that I don't blame her. I think she was defending her diehard fans, letting these girls know that there are plenty of people who would do anything for those seats & they were acting like they didn't care, like sitting front row was no big deal, like it was a joke & a good time to f*ck around.

Tori does upgrades fans at every show - we were brought from the balcony down to the 6th row when she was here this past fall. And like Anita mentioned, she offers packages including a meet & greet pretty inexpensively considering I've paid that total amount for 1 ticket to a Mac show.

And I just read back through this thread - who here has acted in a similar manner at shows & is now casting stones? I know you can't possibly be referring to me, kind sir.

strandinthewind · #56 12-27-2007, 01:49 PM

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. . . And I just read back through this thread - who here has acted in a similar manner at shows & is now casting stones? I know you can't possibly be referring to me, kind sir.

Well, I am in a way. I am saying that we have all benefited from people taking tons of pictures (against the rules) and people texting and recording concerts (against the rules) -- so to fault someone for doing the same thing is BS in my book. I mean you happen to agree in this scenario. What if Jazzy (example only) got tossed from a concert for texting "us" the set list? What if Patti (example only) got tossed for taking 300 pictures, for her and our benefit? Would we be so willing to forgive the artist? I mean how many of us have bitched about not being able to violate those very rules, which are there mostly so that the artist does not get distracted

To me, that is hypocrisy. But, if you are cool with that line drawing, so be it

David · #57 12-27-2007, 02:22 PM

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I have actually seen artists that only allow in and outs between songs. For the life of me now, I can't recall who they were. She may have been one of them.

I saw Rickie Lee Jones on her Magazine Tour at Universal Amphitheatre in 1984 (when George Hawkins played bass). Rickie Lee was always fairly temperamental anyway, but at this show she was getting exasperated with the innies & outies during the first few songs, so she warned everyone to come in or stay out & had the ushers (?) close the doors, & then said, "Now that that's settled, let's continue" (or something like that).

But I don't think a venue can actually do that. It probably violates a fire code or something.

skcin · #58 12-27-2007, 02:23 PM

At the shows that I heard of where there was an issue with photos being taken, security dealt with it for the most part. I myself almost got booted for taking pics at the Stevie/Don show in Pittsburgh, due to the fact that when I left for the show, the website stated pictures were OK. When I got there, I took my camera in without a problem. Halfway through the show, 1 security guard stopped me, another said it was fine.

I never use a flash, and I highly doubt Stevie was distracted by me in the 5th row far right - she certainly wasn't bothered at last summer's Camden show when pics were permitted & I was right at her feet snapping away.

However, if she had asked security to stop people from taking pics, or if she said "please no more pics" I would have stopped. If I didn't, I would have nothing to bitch about when I got tossed out. I get much more upset at people yelling things out in the middle of songs, or drunkenly spilling drinks on others, or hitting others to get up front for Edge rush, or talking on the phone not watching the show while they're sitting in the front row than I do at people quietly taking pics or simply holding their phone up so friends at home can hear a song.

I know what you're saying, Strand, and again, I agree that what Tori did was unprofessional. Could she have done it differently? Sure. BUT I totally understand why she blew up like that. I do NOT think this was diva behavior, I think it was her scolding people for not appreciating the show & being disrespectful to other fans around them. Just like the Manchester(?) Mac show that someone brought up earlier in this thread - physical altercations during a performance? WTF? Were Stevie & Lindsey unprofessional for yelling at those people to get out? Maybe, but it wasn't uncalled for either.

strandinthewind · #59 12-27-2007, 02:42 PM

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. . . However, if she had asked security to stop people from taking pics, or if she said "please no more pics" I would have stopped . . .

That sort of is my point. These rude girls were nefver warned or anything like that.

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. . . I agree that what Tori did was unprofessional . . . .

Which brings me back to my point that she seems a little road worn.

Also - I think seeing someone beaten in front of you might cross the line into the need to take action.

I forgot what happened in Manchester - what happened?

skcin · #60 12-27-2007, 02:55 PM

^ So, you think she's road worn, but you can't understand why she would do/say something like that? It's no excuse?

And I don't recall the specifics about the Manchester show, but I think people were fighting (pushing, shoving, yelling, etc.) and Stevie & LB pointed at them & someone said "Get the f*ck out" "get them the f*ck out of here" or something similar. Anyone recall the specifics?