SYW: A Dud Album - Page 4

Sarah · #46 10-25-2007, 11:51 AM

But. It still sold 850k+ copies, and still stands a chance to go platinum over the next several years. It's not exactly a disgrace.

And I could not possibly disagree more about an album being too long. If I'm paying almost 20 bucks for a cd, the more music they cram on it, the better. I don't understand where people get off on wanting less new music. At all. It'd be awesome if it wasn't **** like Silver Girl, but I can excuse that for 17 other at least fairly decent songs.

As far as solo records mashed together with Fleetwood/McVie - what's new about that? Shouldn't we be used to that by now?

chiliD · #47 10-25-2007, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarah

As far as solo records mashed together with Fleetwood/McVie - what's new about that? Shouldn't we be used to that by now?

Nope, despite it being the reality of the situation, doesn't mean I have to LIKE it. Write some damned material FOR the band or get the hell OUT of the band and get people who WILL. Or, just kill off the band and ONLY do solo albums.

Sarah · #48 10-25-2007, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD

Nope, despite it being the reality of the situation, doesn't mean I have to LIKE it. Write some damned material FOR the band or get the hell OUT of the band and get people who WILL. Or, just kill off the band and ONLY do solo albums.

Who said anything about whether or not you like it? I said "used to" it. If you don't like the album, that's your problem.

**mylittledemon** · #49 10-25-2007, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarah

But. It still sold 850k+ copies, and still stands a chance to go platinum over the next several years. It's not exactly a disgrace.

And I could not possibly disagree more about an album being too long. If I'm paying almost 20 bucks for a cd, the more music they cram on it, the better. I don't understand where people get off on wanting less new music. At all. It'd be awesome if it wasn't **** like Silver Girl, but I can excuse that for 17 other at least fairly decent songs.

As far as solo records mashed together with Fleetwood/McVie - what's new about that? Shouldn't we be used to that by now?

I think the white album, Rumours, and Tusk (and even Mirage) were more of a collaborative effort than other Nicks/Buckingham/McVie albums. I think SYW lacked that vibe. It was like a Lindsey solo album and a Stevie one mashed together. In other words, the album didnt flow well together.

I'm not judging SYW on sales. I think that has nothing to do with success (the way I define it anyway). I just think, compared to other Mac albums...and the amount of time they had to work on it that it could've been a better record. I really believe that Christine's absence has a lot to do with it. That being said, I'd rather have SOME incarnation of Fleetwood Mac than none at all. I also would rather see them release more albums than tour so much.

chiliD · #50 10-25-2007, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarah

Who said anything about whether or not you like it? I said "used to" it. If you don't like the album, that's your problem.

Didn't say anything about liking or disliking the album, I dislike the SITUATION that the only material used for Fleetwood Mac albums involving Lindsey Buckingham & Stevie Nicks is leftover solo material. I wish they'd just go away so Mick & John can find people who WANT to be members of Fleetwood Mac.

Sarah · #51 10-25-2007, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD

Didn't say anything about liking or disliking the album, I dislike the SITUATION that the only material used for Fleetwood Mac albums involving Lindsey Buckingham & Stevie Nicks is leftover solo material. I wish they'd just go away so Mick & John can find people who WANT to be members of Fleetwood Mac.

I think Fleetwood Mac is probably too much of a brand now for that. Especially since the Rumours lineup had the successful Dance reunion, and Lindsey and Stevie stuck around for SYW. I don't think the world would give new front people a chance... especially in concert, when the pressure is on to sing the Lindsey/Stevie/Christine hits.

And as far as SYW not having the vibe of the White Album, Rumours, and Tusk being a band effort... that's a given. It's also a given that it isn't coming back.

**mylittledemon** · #52 10-25-2007, 03:19 PM

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I think Fleetwood Mac is probably too much of a brand now for that. Especially since the Rumours lineup had the successful Dance reunion, and Lindsey and Stevie stuck around for SYW. I don't think the world would give new front people a chance... especially in concert, when the pressure is on to sing the Lindsey/Stevie/Christine hits.

And as far as SYW not having the vibe of the White Album, Rumours, and Tusk being a band effort... that's a given. It's also a given that it isn't coming back.

If the band vibe isnt coming back, then, to ChiliD's defense...go make solo records.

Sarah · #53 10-25-2007, 03:41 PM

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If the band vibe isnt coming back, then, to ChiliD's defense...go make solo records.

I can halfway stand behind that. I don't care if I never hear a new Stevie Nicks song ever again. But. If they did another round as Fleetwood Mac, that'd be just fine with me too.

This is my favorite band. I'm not going to sit here and say that I hope they never make a record as a band ever again. Even if the band vibe doesn't come back. Even a mediocre effort by Fleetwood Mac is better than a true effort by a lot of other groups. A couple weak spots don't cause me to say "SYW is a dud album". It's not a perfect album, but it's not crap either.

**mylittledemon** · #54 10-25-2007, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarah

I can halfway stand behind that. I don't care if I never hear a new Stevie Nicks song ever again. But. If they did another round as Fleetwood Mac, that'd be just fine with me too.

This is my favorite band. I'm not going to sit here and say that I hope they never make a record as a band ever again. Even if the band vibe doesn't come back. Even a mediocre effort by Fleetwood Mac is better than a true effort by a lot of other groups. A couple weak spots don't cause me to say "SYW is a dud album". It's not a perfect album, but it's not crap either.

Yeah I'd much rather see a new Fleetwood Mac studio record...then a Lindsey record...then a Stevie record. But I find Lindsey's UTS to be more refreshing than SYW. So I kinda side with ChiliD's stance on that. I think if Stevie and Lindsey were to come together with new material, and start from the ground up, they could continue to do something amazing with Fleetwood Mac.

vivfox · #55 10-25-2007, 04:26 PM

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if it wasn't **** like Silver Girl, but I can excuse that for 17 other at least fairly decent songs.

Hawkeye · #56 10-25-2007, 07:35 PM

Say You Will is a very weird album in that it's quite possibly the only BuckinghamNicks involved Fleetwood Mac album where I "like" every song. On Rumours I almost always skip I Don;t Want To Know, and their very best album and the best album by anyone Tusk, I have to skip Never Make Me Cry. Mirage and Tango in the Night, forget them I have to skip half the songs. On Say You Will, Every single song is good to me. I'll occaisionly skip a few of the songs but not because I don't like them. I like all 18 SYW songs. But to look at it another way if I were to list my top 10 or even top 20 favorite fleetwood mac songs, i don't think any from Say You Will would make that list. Thrown Down, Illume, Murrow, WTWCT and Destiny Rules would all be close and easy contenders for top 30

but my point is, I like every song, there are 18 good songs but very few great ones and even fewer Really great ones. Meanwhile TISL contained in my opinion 2 or 3 Stevie songs that are among her very very best (TISL, Fall From Grace and Sorcerer) 2 of which are amazing live tracks that are now staples for her. SYW and Goodbye Baby were not showstoppers like FFG and Sorcerer can be. So I think this may proove Chili's point of they're not bringing their A game to Fleetwood Mac.

Johnny Stew · #57 10-25-2007, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD

Nope, despite it being the reality of the situation, doesn't mean I have to LIKE it. Write some damned material FOR the band or get the hell OUT of the band and get people who WILL. Or, just kill off the band and ONLY do solo albums.

Just in regards to recent years, Stevie wrote "Sweet Girl" for Fleetwood Mac. She also wrote "Destiny Rules," "Illume," "Say You Will," and "Silver Girl" expressly for the band. "Thrown Down" almost went on 'TISL,' but much like what happened with "Gypsy," Stevie saved it because she said she thought it would make a much better band song. Not to mention the fact that she'd been trying to get them to record "Smile At You" all the way back to '79, so, even though it wasn't new, it's safe to assume it was written for them too.

Going back to post-solo album releases, "Straight Back" was definitely written for Fleetwood Mac (at one point, Stevie even thought it was going to be the title track). "When I See You Again" ("I just sent them a song the day before yesterday -- a 'Landslide' kind of song -- and they liked it"), "No Questions Asked," "Paper Doll," "Freedom," "Love Is Dangerous," and "The Second Time," also all seem to have been written for the band.

So, yeah, some of them are "leftovers" from solo albums she's working on at the time, but she definitely still writes certain songs with an ear to Fleetwood Mac.

LukeA · #58 10-26-2007, 12:13 AM

Anyone who thinks that SYW was a commercial disappointment is either a moron or otherwise intellectually deficient.

Sales were beyond all (record label) expectations, and were nowhere near anything dissapointing.

PenguinHead · #59 10-26-2007, 12:51 AM

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(Back in the days...a vinyl LP could only hold 12 songs...but a CD? Was Neil being stingy??)

Just because a particular format holds more music doesn't mean an artist should expected to fill it. I have many newer cds from artists that only have 10 to 12 songs. It's not for lack of content or stinginess, but a conscious decision to make a statement with a concise, small group of songs that don't demand 80 minutes to listen to. In that regard, there is very little room for filler, and the songs stand out more.

I would never wish for less songs from a Fleetwood Mac release -- since the years between their releases get longer and longer...and they aren't getting any younger. I am very grateful they (at least Lindsey) thought out of the box and gave us what amounts to - in vinyl terms - a double album. Yet, because of the volume, many songs got lost in mix. If it had been parred down it would have been less weighty, giving some of the better songs room to breathe. They could have planned for a deluxe version of Say You Will that had all the other songs on a bonus disc. I see that happening alot these day.

michelej1 · #60 10-26-2007, 12:55 AM

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Anyone who thinks that SYW was a commercial disappointment is either a moron or otherwise intellectually deficient.

Would that include band members?

You know, I don't think SYW was a critical disappointment by any stretch of the imagination. Commercially? Um, I think some people did experience a let down.

As for the label . . . I don't know what to think. I was surprised that Lindsey got the go ahead for not one but TWO solo albums. That did lead me to think that maybe they were indulging him to guarantee future FM endeavors. So, maybe Reprise didn't think SYW was a total waste. Good news for us.

Michele