New one strike rule - Page 4

Johnny Stew · #46 08-14-2007, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rickypt

I thought you said that the new rules are perfectly clear and that you all felt comfortable that "more than enough" people had read them. Someone who has been here a few weeks has had as much of an opportunity to read this supposed eye-catching warning from the Penguin as anyone else.

What I actually said was that the new policy was clear and more than enough people had time to read it. The rules themselves have not changed in seven years.

In his announcement, Marty also said that "the decisions of the moderators are absolutely final."

So it's not an example of inconsistency to decide it best, in this particular instance, to give a newbie the benefit of the doubt.
Yes, you can argue that he, too, should be aware of the rules, but we all felt that we could afford someone who's only been here for two weeks this one chance to correct his behaviour. Seemed kinder than banning him before he even had a chance to get his bearings here.

danax6 · #47 08-14-2007, 06:08 PM

But Sugar already warned the newbies:

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpo...&postcount=109

michelle2677 · #48 08-15-2007, 11:43 AM

if a supporting member gets banned, do they get their money back?

okay okay. i'm kidding.

Rickypt · #49 08-15-2007, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tango

I'm not sure why you are worried about the new rules, Ryan. The whole place may be gone shortly. It's really not worth litigating this, is it? Marty is fine with the judgements of the moderators, and it's their decision.

Tango, I'm not worried about the new rules, but about the selective enforcement and what I saw as inadequate notice and communication. Two of my friends who were longtime members were banned and I hate to see them go. I'm not litigating anything, as it is clear no one is going to change their mind. You are right, the mods and Marty can make any decision they want, but we are a community and I think it's okay to express my concern about this.

JazmenFlowers · #50 08-15-2007, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rickypt

but we are a community and I think it's okay to express my concern about this.

and also, supporting members should especially voice concerns since it is our dollars that we are putting up as support. if the board we are supporting takes a turn we don't necessarily agree with, we should be able to have a civil discussion about such without threat of "stop this discussion now" or threat of bannings over such discussions.

Stew_Matthews · #51 08-15-2007, 04:17 PM

I caught up with this thread just a few minutes before I had to log out the other morning. I was really saddened by it to be honest. I’ve seen the site from a distance for a couple of years now and as someone in another thread said, there are cliques, clashes of personality here etc, as I’m sure occurs in many offices and factories across the world.

I came here initially because I love Fleetwood Mac but stayed because of many of the people who post here – even though many of you don’t know me. I really like the guys who post in the Lindsey thread – Shakin’up, Nikki, Madness, Brandon. They keep the interest going for me in my favourite member of the band. Equally I tend to enjoy the more current affairs posts that Chris and Suze post. Andre does my head in at times but fits in very well. And in that category are probably Irishgrl and Musicman. Jason (Strand) is pretty verbose (it justifies his fees I guess!) but very good value. In addition I always look out for Michelle, Carrie, Breton, Sara1998, Pip, JannieC, Estranged, Sarah amongst a host of other good people. Christine and Liam have also put plenty of energy into the board more recently.

So my point. I struggle with how we can have a ‘community’ without Michael and Ryan. They both contributed a great deal to this site and it is a lesser place in my opinion without them. I haven’t caught up with what they said to incur a ban but you only need to leaf through the threads in a number of forums to see what they added to The Ledge – post after post of great input.

In some ways the board has never really got over the incident a few months ago when a whole group got banned for putting a horse’s picture in their sig pics. I don’t want to re-open that debate, but from where I sit, the Moderators have some outstanding issues that need to be cleared up about that whole incident. For me that issue continues to fester away today and spoil the site.

Equally I can see how the moderators feel at the end of their tether at times. The chit chat thread is a monster and it must be difficult to manage. But I thought the religion debate the other day showed how we all are waking up to the fact that we need to moderate our behaviour. It was the right thing not to ban Liam and despite Brandon getting some flak I admire the way he encouraged Liam to change his post to avoid a ban. I suspect we have all learnt that we are at the end of the road and we need to behave with a bit more respect towards each other.

Maybe Ryan and Michael need to apologise, as Liam did, to whoever they offended. But I’d like to see them back. I don’t think it would undermine anyone’s credibility or authority to do so. I think the message about behaviour is clear and understood by all of us.

Now I have dragged myself across one of the most dangerous places in the world to post this so I hope that Johnny and colleagues will read it and maybe reflect on what I have said.

Stew

michelle2677 · #52 08-15-2007, 04:31 PM

^^very good post

BlackWidow · #53 08-15-2007, 08:08 PM

Stewart..I'm um....flattered.

KristinG · #54 08-15-2007, 08:37 PM

I know I'm pretty much new here, so I'll mind my own business. I just wanted to say that I thought Stew's post was very good...

Stay safe in Iraq!

strandinthewind · #55 08-15-2007, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stew_Matthews

I caught up with this thread just a few minutes before I had to log out the other morning. I was really saddened by it to be honest. I’ve seen the site from a distance for a couple of years now and as someone in another thread said, there are cliques, clashes of personality here etc, as I’m sure occurs in many offices and factories across the world.

I came here initially because I love Fleetwood Mac but stayed because of many of the people who post here – even though many of you don’t know me. I really like the guys who post in the Lindsey thread – Shakin’up, Nikki, Madness, Brandon. They keep the interest going for me in my favourite member of the band. Equally I tend to enjoy the more current affairs posts that Chris and Suze post. Andre does my head in at times but fits in very well. And in that category are probably Irishgrl and Musicman. Jason (Strand) is pretty verbose (it justifies his fees I guess!) but very good value. In addition I always look out for Michelle, Carrie, Breton, Sara1998, Pip, JannieC, Estranged, Sarah amongst a host of other good people. Christine and Liam have also put plenty of energy into the board more recently.

So my point. I struggle with how we can have a ‘community’ without Michael and Ryan. They both contributed a great deal to this site and it is a lesser place in my opinion without them. I haven’t caught up with what they said to incur a ban but you only need to leaf through the threads in a number of forums to see what they added to The Ledge – post after post of great input.

In some ways the board has never really got over the incident a few months ago when a whole group got banned for putting a horse’s picture in their sig pics. I don’t want to re-open that debate, but from where I sit, the Moderators have some outstanding issues that need to be cleared up about that whole incident. For me that issue continues to fester away today and spoil the site.

Equally I can see how the moderators feel at the end of their tether at times. The chit chat thread is a monster and it must be difficult to manage. But I thought the religion debate the other day showed how we all are waking up to the fact that we need to moderate our behaviour. It was the right thing not to ban Liam and despite Brandon getting some flak I admire the way he encouraged Liam to change his post to avoid a ban. I suspect we have all learnt that we are at the end of the road and we need to behave with a bit more respect towards each other.

Maybe Ryan and Michael need to apologise, as Liam did, to whoever they offended. But I’d like to see them back. I don’t think it would undermine anyone’s credibility or authority to do so. I think the message about behaviour is clear and understood by all of us.

Now I have dragged myself across one of the most dangerous places in the world to post this so I hope that Johnny and colleagues will read it and maybe reflect on what I have said.

Stew

Perfection!