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Old 08-12-2007, 06:49 PM
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Okay, little late to the party, I went out to see I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry. Heh.

Well, and I can argue that I don't know where folks get that "there is a God" belief. On what do you base that? Some book some people wrote a few centuries ago? Many books have been written about what I belief also.

The rest of the world? So, it's me against the entire rest of the world? Maybe you should open your eyes a little more?

Because I don't believe in God my existence on this planet has no meaning? Is that actually what you are saying? Why does there have to be a God to give life meaning? I feel really sorry for you if that is what you believe.

Because the way I see it, the proof of evolution is all around us. I always approach the matter of 'life' very scientifically, and really, life ends when the body dies. Heaven and Hell have only been created to keep people in an constant state of fear. Apparantly it works.

I can provide endless documents of scientific proof, and I'll be glad to put that up against your bible, but I for one am not interested in making comparisons or preaching about why one thing is better than the other. Everyone has their own 'bible', whether literally or not, and what's important is that you stand behind what you belief in. Being true to myself makes my life very meaningful, thank you very much.
The Bible was written more than "few" centuries ago. As was the Koran. The argument for a God seems more evident in those books alone than just your personal opinion.

Well in a way, it is you against the rest of the world. To varying degrees. You're gonna leave this world alone after all.

I guess you're misunderstanding me. I didnt say a belief in God is necessary to give meaning to your life. But what meaning is there otherwise? Serving yourself? I couldnt have a clean conscience knowing that I lived my life merely for my own pleasure. Selfishness is unbecoming.

Evolution is still, after all this time, a theory and it will remain so. Doesnt mean I dont believe in adaptation and co-evolution...or extinction for that matter. But Man will always try to understand and put things in a box which he cannot ultimately understand so that he CAN understand it. If God who is above science and our own reasoning truly created the universe according the the Bible, then wouldnt our techniques of science being somewhat flawed? Wouldnt a search for God in science be skewed?
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Old 08-12-2007, 06:51 PM
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Old 08-12-2007, 06:59 PM
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Nothing about you goes unnoticed...
HAHA...i think i get verbally pounded because I'm not a "lefty" or "liberal" (i hate those words but they just popped in) among other things...and I was the only one who was supportive of Bush in a few threads. That certainly didnt give me any bonus points.

The majority of us Ledgies have strong opinions, and the stands some of us take (including myself evidently) would curl most toes up like the dead Wicked Witch of the West. oh no, there I go playing the martyr along with being on my horse. Damnit..!
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Old 08-12-2007, 07:03 PM
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HAHA...i think i get verbally pounded because I'm not a "lefty" or "liberal" (i hate those words but they just popped in) among other things...and I was the only one who was supportive of Bush in a few threads. That certainly didnt give me any bonus points.

The majority of us Ledgies have strong opinions, and the stands some of us take (including myself evidently) would curl most toes up like the dead Wicked Witch of the West. oh no, there I go playing the martyr along with being on my horse. Damnit..!
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Old 08-12-2007, 07:09 PM
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The Bible was written more than "few" centuries ago. As was the Koran.
It was not meant to be taken that literally.

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The argument for a God seems more evident in those books alone than just your personal opinion.
This is not just my personal opinion. And even it was, aren't I entitled to have it? What makes your opinion better than mine?

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Well in a way, it is you against the rest of the world. To varying degrees. You're gonna leave this world alone after all.
The rest of the world has nothing to do with my dying or not. Just because I think people cease to exist after death, that means I am all alone in this world? I just don't get your reasoning. Just because there won't be people waiting for me on the other side doesn't make my life on this side lonely or any less meaningful. In contrary, I am with Sharon on this... it makes you want to live your life to the fullest, because hey, you only get one chance.

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I guess you're misunderstanding me. I didnt say a belief in God is necessary to give meaning to your life. But what meaning is there otherwise?
Then isn't that exactly what you are saying? You are kind of contradicting yourself there.

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Serving yourself? I couldnt have a clean conscience knowing that I lived my life merely for my own pleasure. Selfishness is unbecoming.
It has nothing to do with selfishness! You can only be selfless if you live your life the way somebody else dictates you to? How freakin' twisted is that? Compassion for other human beings doesn't lie in faith or the bible or in God, it lies within yourself.

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Evolution is still, after all this time, a theory and it will remain so.
It is just as much a theory as the existence of God is. More or less people believing in something doesn't make it more or less true.

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Doesnt mean I dont believe in adaptation and co-evolution...or extinction for that matter. But Man will always try to understand and put things in a box which he cannot ultimately understand so that he CAN understand it.
Isn't believing in God or any other high spirit essentially putting something in a box (or book) because he cannot understand it either? Religion, to me, is the easy way out. Nobody is even trying to find some basis for their beliefs, they all attribute it to 'just being the way it is'. I guess I am too curious by nature to settle for that.

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If God who is above science and our own reasoning truly created the universe according the the Bible, then wouldnt our techniques of science being somewhat flawed? Wouldnt a search for God in science be skewed?
I can't answer that because I don't believe in a God above science.
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Old 08-12-2007, 07:52 PM
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I can't answer that because I don't believe in a God above science.
Ouch. I wish I could say for you that I hope your convictions are true.

Let me ask you this. When you die...lets say hypothetically you come face to face with the God of the universe that you say you dont believe in...what would you say to him if he brought up this comment?
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Charlotte's binge bravado

June 22, 2005

Nineteen-year-old diva Charlotte Church is under fire for admitting she likes to "go out on the lash".

Since her 18th birthday gave her access to her multi-million dollar fortune, she has regularly been pictured tottering unsteadily from nightclubs, bleary-eyed and dishevelled.

But now the singer has revealed the full extent of her binge-drinking in a candid interview. And it makes chilling reading for those who fear Britain's young women are increasingly abusing alcohol.

For her, an average night out involves downing her favourite "Cheeky Vimto" cocktail - a double port mixed with a sugary vodka-based alcopop, so named because it tastes like Vimto chewy bars - before leaving her house, then topping it up with another 10 double vodkas.

She regaled readers of Heat magazine with tales of her drinking prowess - and penchant for slamming down alcohol for the sole purpose of getting utterly drunk - as her boyfriend, Gavin Henson, the rugby-playing half of Wales's "golden couple", demonstrated his sporting prowess by slamming down two tries for the Lions in New Zealand.

"If I'm home, I'll start with a Cheeky Vimto - double port and a bottle of WKD Blue in the same glass. It tastes just like Vimto or Ribena. They're lethal," she added. "Once I'm out, I'll have about 10 double vodkas. Then I'm pretty much KO'ed.

"But if I'm in London, the club owners give me loads of bottles of free champagne. I hate champagne. I still drink it though."

Church, who found fame aged 11 as a classical singer and who recently released a pop album, has striven to shake off her "Voice of an Angel" image for something more raunchy.

Her alcohol-fuelled nights out with her pals - mainly girlfriends from the working-class suburb of Cardiff where she grew up - often result in pictures of them grinning drunkenly all over the tabloid newspapers. She celebrated her 19th birthday in February with a 72-hour bender.

But she also disclosed that she likes to go out on the town with her mother, Maria, a classical guitarist and housing officer, and her aunt because they, too, are "party animals".

Yet, she professes not to enjoy the taste. "I don't actually like alcohol," she said. "If I'm having a meal, I'll have lemonade.

"The only time I drink is to get pissed and dance like a crazy woman."

The interview is bound to dismay campaigners who claim that drinks manufacturers are targeting teenage girls with sugary alcopops that disguise the high volume of alcohol.

Heavy drinking by role models such as Church and other personalities dubbed "ladettes" is also being blamed for an increase in alcohol consumption, particularly among 16- to 24-year-olds who are the most prone to binge drinking.

Government guidelines recommend a woman drink a maximum of 21 alcohol units a week. But Church appears to consume at least that in one night alone.

A spokesman for Alcohol Concern said: "We do not comment on individual cases but drinking 10 double vodkas is a large amount. If people are regularly drinking that amount of alcohol they increase their risk of harming their health.

"Drinking to get drunk is binge-drinking. Over 10 units and the chances are you are going to be intoxicated. Women drinking this much are putting themselves at risk. Beside the short-term risk of accidents or becoming involved in violent incidents, there are long-term risks such as liver cirrhosis."

Church has just returned from a three-day trip to see Henson, 23, who was not selected for the first Test against the All Blacks on Saturday, but who may have made Lions coach Clive Woodward regret his decision with his two tries in the 26-16 victory over Southland yesterday.

He recently spoke of his relationship with the singer, and hit back at criticis who worried that going out with her would affect his playing career.

"I'm not a heavy drinker and half the time when I go out I don't even drink," he said in an interview last month.

The couple have headed Wales's celebrity A-list since getting together, although Church had some complaints about his trademark spiky hair.

"It's not so much hard as slimy. I wake up in the morning and my hair's so greasy because of all his wax that I have to wash it every day," she said.

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Old 08-12-2007, 08:44 PM
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Ouch. I wish I could say for you that I hope your convictions are true.

Let me ask you this. When you die...lets say hypothetically you come face to face with the God of the universe that you say you dont believe in...what would you say to him if he brought up this comment?
I think Yahweh would have a lot less problem with Vanessa sticking with science than with you getting it on with guys...

If Yahweh does exist and I awoke in an afterlife situation, I'd probably flip off the ****er and ask him why he was such a **** for causing so much misery. What an asshole.
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I think Yahweh would have a lot less problem with Vanessa sticking with science than with you getting it on with guys...

If Yahweh does exist and I awoke in an afterlife situation, I'd probably flip off the ****er and ask him why he was such a **** for causing so much misery. What an asshole.
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I think Yahweh would have a lot less problem with Vanessa sticking with science than with you getting it on with guys...

If Yahweh does exist and I awoke in an afterlife situation, I'd probably flip off the ****er and ask him why he was such a **** for causing so much misery. What an asshole.
Totally!

And let me just say that "Let The River Run" is a great song to read this thread to.
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I think Yahweh would have a lot less problem with Vanessa sticking with science than with you getting it on with guys...

If Yahweh does exist and I awoke in an afterlife situation, I'd probably flip off the ****er and ask him why he was such a **** for causing so much misery. What an asshole.

And God came to him in the form of a burning bush and said to Brandon, you must take photos of your penis and email them to gay men, in order to test them. And so Brandon did what God had asked and God was pleased.
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And God came to him in the form of a burning bush and said to Brandon, you must take photos of your penis and email them to gay men, in order to test them. And so Brandon did what God had asked and God was pleased.
Someone got served, tbqh.
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And God came to him in the form of a burning bush and said to Brandon, you must take photos of your penis and email them to gay men, in order to test them. And so Brandon did what God had asked and God was pleased.
I actually took them for my girlfriend...Johnny Stew just happened to ask for them nicely so I obliged...I cant stress enough how many times I've mentioned in this thread that I am not perfect. I even apologized.

Keep crucifying me (no pun intended) if thats what allows you to continue to feel any of my beliefs irrational, wrong, or false.

And anyway...i thought you didnt believe in God. I never got a clear cut answer as to "why" some of you live in disbelief.
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Old 08-12-2007, 10:05 PM
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I think Yahweh would have a lot less problem with Vanessa sticking with science than with you getting it on with guys...
That was a personal low blow. As far as I'm concerned i didnt insult anyone on a personal level with this thread. F*ck you Tower. Literally.
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