Please Die Fighting for My Rights - Page 6

DrummerDeanna · #76 08-12-2007, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon

I could never say I was a "Christian" and say that I didnt believe the Bible was true....or that you dont need to believe in Jesus Christ. That is the fundamental belief! I personally dont think a "broad" view of Christianity is acceptible. I would much rather believe that my own personal narrow mindness (in regards to me, myself and I salvation) is right, rather than believing "everyone goes to heaven" theory.

Well that may be fine for you - I personally don't think many of the "Christians" today are. If the Bible is such a true thing - why is no one sacrificing Oxen anymore? The smell pleases The Lord you know. Before you say because that's outdated - it's in the same book that "condemns" homosexuals - even though homosexuality as we know it today is actually not condemned in the Bible - there is a lot of historical context to be taken into account in the Bible.

You wanna talk contradictions - read the Bible cover to cover. Talk about condtradictory!

It was written by man. It's been edited by man for years and years - it's a tool and that's how I see it - it's not meant to be taken literally word for word. If it were then you better be repenting if you've ever touched your girlfriend while she has her period - because that's also condemned in the Bible!!!

Taking the Bible literally has led to people using it as a weapon (it was used to deny Black people equal rights and status).

I'm Catholic by upbringing anyway, so I'm used to self-righteous "Christians" saying I'm not truly a Christian anyway - no big. I know my heart and I know God and His place in my life - and with that I'm content.

And believing that one does not have to "accept Jesus as their own personal Lord and Savior" does not make me less of a Christian. I just refuse to believe that God would damn billions of people to hell simply because they don't follow one western religion.

Miss Vicky · #77 08-12-2007, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon

I'm trying to understand why some of you believe WHAT you do...thats all.

You keep saying that you're truly interested in finding out why people believe what they do, but the words you use in the actual conversation point to a different motivation. The way it comes across to me and to several others is that you're trying to find out what people believe so that you can tell them why they're wrong and why you're right. If you really want open conversation, then you need to learn to reserve judgement.

But I don't believe that open conversation is your goal anyway.

trackaghost · #78 08-12-2007, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon

And defines a "good" man? A married man with 2 children may provide for them, put them thru school...put food on the table...and yet it he betrays his friends and lies to his wife...where is the distinction? Who draws that line?

So your distinction between what makes a good man and a bad man, is a belief in God? Once again I'd say what makes a good person is their actions, not beliefs.

Stew_Matthews · #79 08-12-2007, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon

I was just pointing out that the UK, like us has just as many problems. But in regards to the original funeral topic...i see your point. +1 for the Mancs.

Fine - I get the point.

Probably the worst thing you could have ever said to me was that I was from Leeds - the second that I was a Manc

Geography isn't a US 'thing' so I'll let it go. I'm in the Middle East now but I'm a Londoner - there is nothing 'northern' about me!! Us Southerners get very upset about being classed as northern

Impressed you knew Manc as a shorthand for Mancunian though......

strandinthewind · #80 08-12-2007, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Stew_Matthews

. . . I have seen enough in the world to write off all religions . . . .

First of all, hey there!

Second, I likely feel the opposite. I have around the world and the main thing I got and continue to get is mankind, for whatever reason, flocks, perhaps, needs, the notion that some higher level exists. I am not in any way talking about organized religion here, other than that is the most historically effective way of expressing this need since the record started being written, which also is when the abuse of that power began

I am talking more about God, or whatever you call it, being in everything and everyone at the same time - sort of like in Whitman's Song of Myself, posted here http://www.daypoems.net/poems/1900.html

Scientifically, for this to occur, it must have some provable basis. I suggest that basis can be found when one is in love. Is that euphoric sense merely an hormonal thing? Or, is that obvious orbital penumbra a hint at something else on another plane. I choose the latter.

carrie721 · #81 08-12-2007, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Stew_Matthews

Geography isn't a US 'thing' so I'll let it go.

sad but true. i know people who couldn't even identify all the states. i'll keep your comment about leeds in mind, though, if i ever need to use it against you

DrummerDeanna · #82 08-12-2007, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by carrie721

sad but true. i know people who couldn't even identify all the states. i'll keep your comment about leeds in mind, though, if i ever need to use it against you

Hey I can name all 52 of them!!

michelle2677 · #83 08-12-2007, 05:10 PM

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okay. I reeeaaalllly didn't want to get into this discussion. I DO wish that I could say I believed everyone who is a good person goes to heaven and is welcomed with open arms. I wish it were that way, but unfortunately, I'm not the one passing judgement on people. Everything I've been taught says you have to accept Jesus Christ in conjunction with living a decent life. That doesn't mean everyone who DOES accept JC leads a perfect life. I sure as hell don't. I also don't agree with someone who accepts and continues to live as they choose to be worthy of going to heaven. But again, I dont' make the rules. I really doubt a priest who is a pedophile is going to Heaven

That's just my opinion. I personally don't think someone who continues to lead their life that way is a true Christian. Again..this is just my opinion. I don't agree with the whole "sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent" cycle. That is just using it as a safety net and to make sure you're "covered". Anyway..i'm getting off. I agree there are Non Christians who are good people. Absolutely. But Christianity means something different to me. It's not about judging your fellow man. It's not about asking for forgiveness and then turning around to do the same thing you asked forgiveness for. It's not about wars, killings and "what I believe is better than what you believe". it just is what it is. I usually keep pretty quiet about my beliefs because I don't want to push anything on anyone. But since we are having the discussion

anyway, that was a long ramble, that probably didn't make sense but it's been a long time since I really typed or wrote out how I felt about it.

**mylittledemon** · #84 08-12-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Vicky

You keep saying that you're truly interested in finding out why people believe what they do, but the words you use in the actual conversation point to a different motivation. The way it comes across to me and to several others is that you're trying to find out what people believe so that you can tell them why they're wrong and why you're right. If you really want open conversation, then you need to learn to reserve judgement.

But I don't believe that open conversation is your goal anyway.

I have meant no condemnation...maybe there was a little sarcasm in there. I think ultimately, anyone who really cares for those around them (especially those that share no belief in anything) would do the same.

I will defend myself in saying that i have said more than once that I am of course referring to Myself, my personal salvation...what I believe is right for ME...but in doing so, its always going to come across as if you're pushing it on someone else. It's not my intention. The intention is to merely get across what my conviction has rewarded me.

I tried my best to back up why I believe what I do, and the points I made...when other arguments were made based (less) on opinions. You seemingly were quick to point out that i was being holier than thou. Maybe thats just what I needed...

because I do believe that your journey thru this life...all the way to the end, is a personal thing. And I suppose that no matter what you truly believe, when you reach this end of this life...your beliefs and actions with either condemn you or give you life.

michelle2677 · #85 08-12-2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Stew_Matthews

Us Southerners get very upset about being classed as northern

not that it is really "northern" but I would rather die in a puddle of my own **** than have someone think I was from Ohio.

btw

carrie721 · #86 08-12-2007, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

Hey I can name all 52 of them!!

well clearly you're the exception

strandinthewind · #87 08-12-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon

. . . The "extreme" Judeo-Christian ethic this country seemingly was founded on is dissolving day by day. . . . .

That statement is incorrect. The USA was founded on the Magna Carter, a system of property rights, and on the fact that we did not want taxation by King George, without representation in his government. True, the non Cathoic demoninations had earlier fled, along with many others for other reasons, to this country to escape religious persecution. But, the fact remains that the drafters of the Const. and other contemporaneous docs, were very clear in their intent to obviate the appearance of sanctioning any particular religion, though the majority of the transplanted population was Judeo Christian. See Treaty of Tripolihttp://www.earlyamerica.com/review/s...7/secular.html

More to your point though is that violence, unwanted pregnancies, waste, fraud, trickery, etc. in America could be alleviated by less religion in government than more of it. The utter failure of "Just Say No" and "Abstinence Only" are documentation of that.

carrie721 · #88 08-12-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by michelle2677

not that it is really "northern" but I would rather die in a puddle of my own **** than have someone think I was from Ohio.

btw

bitch-ass ho

**mylittledemon** · #89 08-12-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Stew_Matthews

Fine - I get the point.

Probably the worst thing you could have ever said to me was that I was from Leeds - the second that I was a Manc

Geography isn't a US 'thing' so I'll let it go. I'm in the Middle East now but I'm a Londoner - there is nothing 'northern' about me!! Us Southerners get very upset about being classed as northern

Impressed you knew Manc as a shorthand for Mancunian though......

I am fairly well traveled! haha...I knew you'd say something about it. Nothing wrong with being a Manc! THey are good folk. Now the Welsh...(haha)

michelle2677 · #90 08-12-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by carrie721

bitch-ass ho