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[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by David

I don't hear any major similarity between the two. The percussion pattern sort of, but other than that, nothing to my ears.
If you take the Heart song "Barracuda" & slow the tempo by about a third, that's a lot more Edge Of Seventeenish.

Interesting, but the riff in Barracuda has those pauses. But, I see your point, though I think the Police song does sound like E017.

[Sugar]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I have often wondered if that is because she has so much more material out there. I think if you took all her clearly great stuff, it would exceed his in number. But, that is subjective and to each their own

Is there "so much more"? Maybe I'll count it out later, but, what she has 6 solo albums, he has 4 (soon 5 we hope!). FM albums, where he usually had more songs on them, while granted she did BTM where he didn't. So she probably has more, but I don't know if this "she has released so much more" thing holds up anymore.

[GypsySorcerer]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I have often wondered if that is because she has so much more material out there. I think if you took all her clearly great stuff, it would exceed his in number. But, that is subjective and to each their own

Well, I was listening to the Enchanted boxed set today, and I skipped through 2/3 of the second disc. My main issue with Stevie is that she reached her zenith early and has grown little as a songwriter over the years, something I think LB has accomplished. Don't get me wrong -- she has written some wonderful stuff. Just not very much post 1985.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Sugar

I'm not saying Stevie is a talentless hack! But how can you say Lindsey's songs lack intensity? You make it sound like he's been writing jingles!

I do think that, to the casual listener, some of Lindsey's early solo songs ("Bwana," "Love From Here, Love From There," "That's How We Do It In LA," "I Want You," "Play In The Rain," "I Must Go," to name a few) might sound like throw-aways.

His earlier solo material comes across as being less about the lyrical content and vocal performances, and more about the sonic soundscapes he was creating. The tracks are textured, boisterous, and just plain fun... but typically lacked the in-your-face emotion of what Stevie was doing.

The emotion is certainly there in Lindsey's songs, too, but it was fairly hidden by the bells and whistles.

So Lindsey's approach tended to appeal most to people who appreciate the art of creating and exploring new sounds, in an almost intellectual way. Stevie played more to the heart.

[JazmenFlowers]

Originally Posted by Sugar

Is there "so much more"? Maybe I'll count it out later, but, what she has 6 solo albums, he has 4 (soon 5 we hope!). FM albums, where he usually had more songs on them, while granted she did BTM where he didn't. So she probably has more, but I don't know if this "she has released so much more" thing holds up anymore.

I didn't realize we were discussing released material. my argument may change slightly. but, in demos alone she has enough material for at least 2 or 3 amazing albums.

Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer

Well, I was listening to the Enchanted boxed set today, and I skipped through 2/3 of the second disc. My main issue with Stevie is that she reached her zenith early and has grown little as a songwriter over the years, something I think LB has accomplished. Don't get me wrong -- she has written some wonderful stuff. Just not very much post 1985.

quite true, I think...as far as released material goes. I do think, however, that it's because Stevie was so busy putting material together that she kind of hit a roadblock. Lindsey's had all that time to cultivate his stuff. she put out some amazing stuff back to back and then kind of tapped out whereas Lindsey put out some good stuff here and there and has been able to kind of stretch it. there's not as much of his material to compare to Stevie's.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer

Well, I was listening to the Enchanted boxed set today, and I skipped through 2/3 of the second disc. My main issue with Stevie is that she reached her zenith early and has grown little as a songwriter over the years, something I think LB has accomplished. Don't get me wrong -- she has written some wonderful stuff. Just not very much post 1985.

I think there were some stellar things on OSTOM (Ghosts, LWTG, ROF) and SA (BD, LTR, SA) and others. I think, though, the production of those songs was mostly lacking. IMO, the reason is that she no longer relied on a killer piano section as she did for the first two solo records.

[JazmenFlowers]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

His earlier solo material comes across as being less about the lyrical content and vocal performances, and more about the sonic soundscapes he was creating. The tracks are textured, boisterous, and just plain fun... but typically lacked the in-your-face emotion of what Stevie was doing.

and Stevie has said Lindsey doesn't really care about the words.

I don't really think that's true, but maybe on some level on some songs it is true.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Sugar

Is there "so much more"? Maybe I'll count it out later, but, what she has 6 solo albums, he has 4 (soon 5 we hope!). FM albums, where he usually had more songs on them, while granted she did BTM where he didn't. So she probably has more, but I don't know if this "she has released so much more" thing holds up anymore.

I am pretty sure she has more, but now, when the comparing begins, it all becomes subjective in that some people may love WISYA and hate GYOW.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

and Stevie has said Lindsey doesn't really care about the words . . . .

I have always though she meant that from the contect of the 19 layers of guitar work that took six years to create were more important to him than the phrasing of the lyric. He has said that they write so differently and that is the difference.

[JazmenFlowers]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I have always though she meant that from the contect of the 19 layers of guitar work that took six years to create were more important to him than the phrasing of the lyric. He has said that they write so differently and that is the difference.

maybe so

[Sugar]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I am pretty sure she has more, but now, when the comparing begins, it all becomes subjective in that some people may love WISYA and hate GYOW.

OK I just did a VERY rough count and, for released material, I have 99 songs from Nicks and 72 from Buckingham. For whatever it matters.

[Sugar]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I do think that, to the casual listener, some of Lindsey's early solo songs ("Bwana," "Love From Here, Love From There," "That's How We Do It In LA," "I Want You," "Play In The Rain," "I Must Go," to name a few) might sound like throw-aways.

His earlier solo material comes across as being less about the lyrical content and vocal performances, and more about the sonic soundscapes he was creating. The tracks are textured, boisterous, and just plain fun... but typically lacked the in-your-face emotion of what Stevie was doing.

The emotion is certainly there in Lindsey's songs, too, but it was fairly hidden by the bells and whistles.

So Lindsey's approach tended to appeal most to people who appreciate the art of creating and exploring new sounds, in an almost intellectual way. Stevie played more to the heart.

Admittedly, when I think about what I love about Lindsey's solo music I think about OOTC and after, along with the FM stuff. Certainly we can talk about what L&O and GI lacked, and warmth might be one of those things, but intensity -- for good or for bad -- I don't think so.

[Sugar]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I have always though she meant that from the contect of the 19 layers of guitar work that took six years to create were more important to him than the phrasing of the lyric. He has said that they write so differently and that is the difference.

To say that he "doesn't care" might be a bit much, but I think we can all see from the demos that she starts with the lyrics and minimal (oh so minimal ) instrumentation, while he usually has the instrumentation worked out while singing along with nonsense words.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer

My main issue with Stevie is that she reached her zenith early and has grown little as a songwriter over the years, something I think LB has accomplished. Don't get me wrong -- she has written some wonderful stuff. Just not very much post 1985.

"Growth," I suppose, is a matter for debate. Her current songs aren't far afield from her earlier stuff as far as subject matter (eg: she's not writing songs from the perspective of Greek gods looking down on their "little experiment"), but I do believe she's certainly matured as a songwriter.

The "mysticism" is gone now, and is replaced by a more clear-headed lyrical viewpoint. The lyrics give the impression that she's no longer seeking answers to questions of life and love -- she's instead trying to impart whatever wisdom she may have gained on those subjects thus far.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Sugar

OK I just did a VERY rough count and, for released material, I have 99 songs from Nicks and 72 from Buckingham. For whatever it matters.

I think, percentage-wise, both songwriters have an almost equal amount of clunkers and gems.

Each of them have always had, on their solo albums, about four or five songs that "only a fan could love."