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Old 06-30-2007, 10:27 AM
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I'm trying to follow this. I'm a member of 7Wonders. I don't want to get banned. But I also don't want to feel that I can't participate in The Ledge. Is it against 7W policy for me to be posting here right now?

Also where is The Wizard's "rambling about plotting. . . etc." posted?
To my knowledge noone that ever posted here on The Ledge was ever banned. Well, at least he never used that as a reason...

Brian's explanation as to why he banned the original 39 of us was in the FAQ Forum which is now closed...
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Old 06-30-2007, 10:30 AM
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Old 06-30-2007, 10:34 AM
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hey barbara you should check out the signature that i added to my posts. let me know what you think of it?
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Old 06-30-2007, 10:38 AM
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I'm going to try to help you a bit.

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hi kristin how are you today? i am fine.
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hey barbara you should check out the signature that i added to my posts. let me know what you think of it?
these types of posts are usually PM material. at The Ledge, you automatically get PMs when you sign up. it's not necessary to address every person with a different post to ask how they are. PM them. see?

you should also quote a post you are referring to. and a good rule of thumb is, if there is no post to quote, then you probably need to take it to PM.
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Old 06-30-2007, 10:48 AM
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thanks for the help jazmen i really appreciate it.
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Old 06-30-2007, 11:18 AM
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Old 06-30-2007, 11:21 AM
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To my knowledge noone that ever posted here on The Ledge was ever banned. Well, at least he never used that as a reason...

Brian's explanation as to why he banned the original 39 of us was in the FAQ Forum which is now closed...
I posted on the ledge about everyday that I was on Seven Wonders for two years, so no he never used that one.
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Old 06-30-2007, 03:13 PM
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For anyone that's interested, there is an official statement on 7W regarding the bannings. FAQ is back up.
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Old 06-30-2007, 03:17 PM
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I think the evil inbred hillbilly and the poop in a jar person are hilarious.
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Old 06-30-2007, 03:19 PM
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For anyone that's interested, there is an official statement on 7W regarding the bannings. FAQ is back up.
What does it say?? I've not been able to log in for a few days now and I can't view the FAQ forum
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Old 06-30-2007, 03:23 PM
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I'm trying to follow this. I'm a member of 7Wonders. I don't want to get banned. But I also don't want to feel that I can't participate in The Ledge. Is it against 7W policy for me to be posting here right now?

Also where is The Wizard's "rambling about plotting. . . etc." posted?
I don't believe it's against 7W rules to post in here.

He posted today in the "Frequently Asked Questions" forum. He said - and this is an exact quote - that he "had absolutely no choice" but to ban 39 people for creating an independent message board there in which they discussed - well, I won't mention what they discussed because it's none of anyone's business. He also says that this group has been "scheming" to get moderators into position so that they could continue to violate board rules. Believe it or not there may be some truth in that. He also feels that he has been treated with great lack of respect and appreciation.

Here's the thing - believe it or not, I agree with him on the "lack of appreciation" point. He's put a great deal of effort, time and some money into this and I don't think that's really been taken note of or acknowledged.

But respect? It goes both ways. I started noticing a pronounced lack of respect from him towards the board members months ago. A perfect example - while I admit it's a completely minor thing - is that the smiley-faces there were changed from really cool ones to totally sucky ones without telling anyone why. He was repeatedly asked why by several people and yet totally ignored these reasonable requests for information, some of which, I believe, were from supporting board members. While he might have been busy at that time or had other things to deal with, this, I feel, is a typical example of the lack of respect that had been developing between the Wizard and certain board members.
Respect has to be earned. What he doesn't say in his post is that there had been mounting criticisms for months which had not been properly addressed, and yes I'll say it - no offense to anyone, but favoritism shown by the board moderators towards certain board members and discrimination against others. Things were starting to get kind of random - some were banned for certain offenses while others weren't. I'm not making accusations, I'm just trying to give my take on what I see as a situation that developed for months and "snowballed" over time. It seems clear that the Wizard has felt disrespected through all of this and that his feelings have been hurt. But my honest opinion is that (as the Wizard alluded to today), there was a developing lack of respect from the Wizard to the members, also.

My feeling, personally, is that if he no longer enjoys this or doesn't feel appreciated, then rather than close the board down he should "hand the reigns over" to someone for whom it will continue to be fun. But - And I can't believe I'm saying this here -

IT IS ULTIMATELY HIS BOARD.

It's his right to close it if he so chooses. But I hope he won't do that. I hope that he can learn from this experience (and apply the lessons which he should have learned here to Real Life) and move forward. Sometimes it helps to get some distance from things - it IS a game! And perhaps we all need to remember that Stevie and Fleetwood Mac fans - one would hope - are people who are willing to forgive and forget, and to see and emphasize the positive in people, and help them exorcise their "little demons" through constructive criticism rather than personal attacks or being mean.
In the rest of his post he goes on to express his personal anger towards specific members of the board whom he banned.
Anyway that's about it. That's my take on it. Obviously there's other points of view. PEACE y'all!!!

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Old 06-30-2007, 03:24 PM
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What does it say?? I've not been able to log in for a few days now and I can't view the FAQ forum

Basically, none of it is his fault. He's so misunderstood He can't possibly think he will be believed.

I'm not a member but was able to read it before he blocked it for everyone but members.
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Old 06-30-2007, 03:27 PM
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He basically says he's sickened at the reaction he's had on the board and at the Ledge. Says it's not fair that his account here was deleted, attacks TimelessBarbara for being a phony and a hypocrite because she always hated The Ledge before, tells Ryan he should be ashamed, says that he's been unhappy with the direction the board has been going for ages and Kristin told him to be tougher with offenders and says he is only keeping the board going now out of selfless duty to the remaining posters etc, etc...
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Old 06-30-2007, 03:32 PM
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I just find it odd that he moves all posts with a hint of controversy or questioning of his policies and either deletes the posts or hides it from anyone who is not a member. The issues don't go away just because you choose to hide or ignore them.

He mentioned in his FAQ that he hasn't posted here in a long time but the last time I remember him posting on the Ledge was to attack a member he had recently banned from his own board. Instead of telling other people to grow up he probably should use that energy to grow up himself.
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Old 06-30-2007, 04:27 PM
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Here's the thing - believe it or not, I agree with him on the "lack of appreciation" point. He's put a great deal of effort, time and some money into this and I don't think that's really been taken note of or acknowledged.
At the end of the day it was always his choice to run the message board. I think he has been so blinded on having the bestest FM/Stevie message board on the internet that he can't even see how pathetically he has been behaving.
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Old 06-30-2007, 06:35 PM
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I don't get it either...what's the big deal about chatting on other boards? I post to boards that have nothing to do with Stevie. Even IF it's another FM board, what difference should that make? I'm confused...
I read some of the post the WIZARD made in the FAQ section..He states some people over here were talking **** about him..I dont know..Im just saying
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Old 06-30-2007, 07:28 PM
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I *still* don't understand what happened. It's not even important, but it's annoying that I can't figure out exactly what went on.
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