Covergirl Nicks, on stands now!

[danax6]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

In the end, I could care a less if FM got back together.

With the mindset that they are both in now, no thank you, I wouldn't want a new FM album either. Their bitching and moaning is going to overrule my enjoyment, I'm afraid. Wait, let me rephrase: it would be all roses and sunshine at first, the bitching and moaning will come afterwards, after it's clear the album didn't sell well.

Selfishly, I would like another tour, if only so I can get one last chance to see them. But if that's not going to happen either, I won't lose any sleep over it.

[SpyNote]

I'm not really interested in a new Mac album either. New Stevie solo album and catalog reissues are on my wish list.

[gypsysoul]

I would like FM to reform because I've never seen them in concert.
Before the Dance, Stevie said she wouldn't do it unless Lindsey was definitely involved and he signed up. So maybe she's just putting out her cosmic wish list for Christine now!
Oh, and I love Say you Will and sales weren't that awful for a band at their stage.

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I have to say I disagree as well. Warner promoted the hell out of that record. I mean MTV/VH-1 do not just give hour long slots to just anyone much less for the making of a record. Then, the TV spots (GMA, LENO, etc. ) . Then the AOL first listen. Then the placing of songs on very popular t.v. shows. Then, all the radio station press and interviews.

So, the record failed because people essentially had no interest in new material from them and/or the material was not radio friendly enough for that pick up.

while i completely understand and respect your opinion and am well aware that anyone who thinks fleetwood mac will be the commercial success of yore is ten kinds of crazy, you simply cannot expect an album in the current music industry climate to sell without a significant amount of radio airplay and market saturation – and frankly, i agree with krista – i don’t think it was nearly as terrible as stevie makes it out to be but i think more could have been done to insure that it would sell more units. peacekeeper and say you will were not viable as choices for album singles. plain and simple, they were boring. it’s not up to the artist to select the single, it’s up to the label and as far as i’m concerned, they did a complete injustice by allowing those two songs to be the sole representation of the album from a band who hadn’t released new material in years. yes, fleetwood mac was on gma, leno, etc. but what were they performing? either the hits or say you will and peacekeeper. snoozefest. you can’t expect to rope in the casual listener without giving them something that is more ear-friendly and for that, the label is to blame.

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally Posted by danax6

With the mindset that they are both in now, no thank you, I wouldn't want a new FM album either. Their bitching and moaning is going to overrule my enjoyment, I'm afraid. Wait, let me rephrase: it would be all roses and sunshine at first, the bitching and moaning will come afterwards, after it's clear the album didn't sell well.

Selfishly, I would like another tour, if only so I can get one last chance to see them. But if that's not going to happen either, I won't lose any sleep over it.

i would like to see them tour once more and then pack it in. i thoroughly enjoyed the say you will tour -- but i fear if they tour again, it will be the same exact setlist.

[danax6]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I think that is exactly what La Nicks is talking about.

You see, it can be interpreted both ways. While I do believe that Stevie didn't find the whole SYW enjoyable because of the overabundance of testosterone (something not only she has said before, but Lindsey as well), I think that in this particular interview she wants us to believe she meant commercially. I don't think she's aware that we are aware that she didn't find that an enjoyable experience (though I believe that's highly exaggerated), but she does know that most people are aware SYW didn't sell a few million copies. What she surely must realize is that the presence of Christine would not have affected sales at all (unless she thinks Christine still has the ability to whip out the hits like she did in the 70s and 80s, something which no one in the band can still do at this point and that is not because of lack of talent or craftsmanship).

[danax6]

Originally Posted by GardenStateGirlie

i would like to see them tour once more and then pack it in. i thoroughly enjoyed the say you will tour -- but i fear if they tour again, it will be the same exact setlist.

Yes. Well, with the SYW songs taken out and replaced with more Rumours songs.

Ultimately, I think they will shoot themselves in the foot if they decide to tour without a new album. You can't rely on the casual 'appreciaters' to keep digging deep into their wallets and fork over the 100 bucks tickets to see Dreams and Go Your Own Way. Look at what happened with Stevie's new tour (and same old setlist)... the diehards would rather spend their money buying **** than watching her on stage. Fleetwood Mac is still a bigger business name than Stevie Nicks, but I doubt they could pull off 135 shows again.

[Gailh]

Originally Posted by danax6

Yes. Well, with the SYW songs taken out and replaced with more Rumours songs.

Ultimately, I think they will shoot themselves in the foot if they decide to tour without a new album. You can't rely on the casual 'appreciaters' to keep digging deep into their wallets and fork over the 100 bucks tickets to see Dreams and Go Your Own Way. Look at what happened with Stevie's new tour (and same old setlist)... the diehards would rather spend their money buying **** than watching her on stage. Fleetwood Mac is still a bigger business name than Stevie Nicks, but I doubt they could pull off 135 shows again.

I totally agree. Without a new album I won't go and see another FM tour (unless by some miracle Christine decides to tour again and that is so not going to happen) seventy five quid for what?

It would be more of the same (start with The Chain etc etc zzzzzzzzzzzz)

I'd rather have a new album with Christine (if Stevie can persuade her) and no tour. BUT I think that's highly unlikely - I don't think Mick and John would be too happy.

Gail

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally Posted by danax6

Yes. Well, with the SYW songs taken out and replaced with more Rumours songs.

Ultimately, I think they will shoot themselves in the foot if they decide to tour without a new album. You can't rely on the casual 'appreciaters' to keep digging deep into their wallets and fork over the 100 bucks tickets to see Dreams and Go Your Own Way. Look at what happened with Stevie's new tour (and same old setlist)... the diehards would rather spend their money buying **** than watching her on stage. Fleetwood Mac is still a bigger business name than Stevie Nicks, but I doubt they could pull off 135 shows again.

oh, absolutely. i don't need to hear say you will, peacekeeper, red rover, etc.

and i never thought i'd say this, but if they wait two more years to tour, people will pay those kinds of ticket prices -- especially if they call it a farewell tour. the baby boomers will be all over it.

[Gailh]

Originally Posted by danax6

What she surely must realize is that the presence of Christine would not have affected sales at all (unless she thinks Christine still has the ability to whip out the hits like she did in the 70s and 80s, something which no one in the band can still do at this point and that is not because of lack of talent or craftsmanship).

I don't think Christine's presence would have made a huge difference to sales but she just might have come up with the hit single which would have made a difference. I agree thought that there's no way they will ever shift loads of albums again.

I think Stevie wanted her there to stand up to Lindsey (musically) which she is well capable of doing.

Gail

[TheWILDheart]

Out of interest, what did Stevie say about RAL. I would imagine she will have a lot to say about her coked out 80's commercial sound (which I love!!)

[belladonnadream]

Thanks for letting me know!
Jenni

[BombaySapphire3]

I agree that there were a few great songs on SYW but there was kind of a disconnect that did make it seem like 2 solo albums on shuffle play and that missing glue was obviously Christine whom I believe would have participated in the album ,but there was no way in hell she was going to tour particularly for an absurd two years .We can thank Mick Fleetwood's grasping, money grubbing ways for her absence on the album..That same quality of his will likely prevent her participation in any future album as well.

[danax6]

Originally Posted by GardenStateGirlie

oh, absolutely. i don't need to hear say you will, peacekeeper, red rover, etc.

and i never thought i'd say this, but if they wait two more years to tour, people will pay those kinds of ticket prices -- especially if they call it a farewell tour. the baby boomers will be all over it.

If they really want to sell some tickets they are going to have to promote the tour as a farewell tour, everything else is just out of the question. It can't be a reunion tour, nor can it be a tour to promote an album, nor can it be an anniversary tour (they missed that boat this year). So, yes, if it's going to be a farewell tour (and really, farewell is farewell. Hear that, Cher? Eagles?) they'll probably bring in enough dough, eh.. people.

[chiliD]

Even a "farewell tour" should have NEW PRODUCT to promote. Do a double album of all new material, include past members (Green? Spencer? Welch? McVie? Vito? Burnette?), on the album AND the tour. Do it RIGHT, not the 31st Rumours rehash as a goodbye.

And, yeah, what pisses ME off the most is that I'll see whatever they bring to the concert stage no matter what...ONLY to keep my 30+ year streak alive of seeing them at least once per tour. Then I'll probably just whine & regret I went afterwards.

For a band that puts out some great music, they sure crap all over the loyal fans.

I never thought I'd say it, but I think it is high time Mick & John put Fleetwood Mac out of their loyal fans' misery.