Fall From Grace - Meaning?

[danax6]

Originally Posted by carrie721

if it's about lindsey, i think that's kind of depressing

What about them is not depressing? She did say in the interview that it stemmed from a -paraphrasing here- 'very intense poem'.

[AliceLover]

I always thought this was about Christine partially.

"You said you wouldn't do this for very long"
"High Priestess shes the keeper of the peace in this, twice as much intensified"

[Sugar]

Originally Posted by BlackWidow

Wow.
You are so committed to this version. That's cool I guess.:

Committed? Not really. I typed this up years ago when I used to do more interps. For whatever reason this is the only one I saved.

Originally Posted by BlackWidow

I just don't believe they ever had any possible romantic anything in 97.
Drama? Yes. A real shot at coming together again? No way in hell.

Well, that's kinda the point. If you read the song this way, she thought more was happening than really was. She hadn't seen him in years at this point, they were both in better places then they had been in a long time...it's not so inconcievable to me that the idea of working things out didn't even cross her mind. And why not?

But I'm guessing Lindsey had already worked things through for himself by '97 and was willing to play the part on stage, but not offstage.

So you and I agree! No real romance and no real shot at coming together, but lots o' drama!

[BlackWidow]

Originally Posted by Sugar

Committed? Not really. I typed this up years ago when I used to do more interps. For whatever reason this is the only one I saved.



Well, that's kinda the point. If you read the song this way, she thought more was happening than really was. She hadn't seen him in years at this point, they were both in better places then they had been in a long time...it's not so inconcievable to me that the idea of working things out didn't even cross her mind. And why not?

But I'm guessing Lindsey had already worked things through for himself by '97 and was willing to play the part on stage, but not offstage.

So you and I agree! No real romance and no real shot at coming together, but lots o' drama!

Ok..I'll second that emotion.

[Sahara]

The first verse in particular seem to me to be completely about Lindsey -- about their early days together maybe, trying so hard to make it work, her working to try and make him happy and give what he needed to work musically.

Here's the Blockbuster Awards version:
http://www.yousendit.com/download/WU...RSs3N0EwTVE9PQ
I hope this link works...

[Serrart]

I also have always thought it was about Lindsey. I don't find it particularly depressing, but just a very realistic portrait of their relationship, without meaning there's still any kind of romantic involvement. But I think that in their situation (being two very sensitive people with strong personalities and huge egos, who shared an intense love story and a very long, difficult and conflictual period in the same band) even only working together again or discussing about the most innocent issue could become a quite impossible task, at times.

Romy

[Lauren]

hey!
I was just listening to this song today and this post caught my attention. You know, as much as a lot of her songs are written "for Lindsey" or so she says and we think, one thing that I can't figure out for the life of me...she seems to be sad she doesn't have him in her songs or sad they didn't work out but if I recall didn't SHE end things not him? That's the part that doesn't make sense. If you let someone go, why want them all those years? Regret? Sure but of course he's going to move on and I bet she had a chance or many to get him back in between all this? Then again only they know for sure. Anyway, wanted to throw that out! Unless I missed something!

Love this song too!
Lauren

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Lauren

You know, as much as a lot of her songs are written "for Lindsey" or so she says and we think, one thing that I can't figure out for the life of me...she seems to be sad she doesn't have him in her songs or sad they didn't work out but if I recall didn't SHE end things not him? That's the part that doesn't make sense. If you let someone go, why want them all those years? Regret?

I've often speculated that Stevie really didn't want to leave Lindsey, but felt like she was low on his priority list and thought that "breaking up" with him would "open his eyes" and cause him to make a big play to win her back.

You know how people will sometimes go out with someone just to make someone else jealous, in the hopes that they'll "see what they're missing out on"?
I kind of think that's what Stevie was doing -- and when Lindsey, I'm assuming, didn't make that big, romantic bid to win her back, she was heartbroken. You know, that whole twisted "well, maybe you didn't really love me all that much then to begin with, if I was so easy to let go of" line of thinking.

Just my speculation.

[Sugar]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

You know, that whole twisted "well, maybe you didn't really love me all that much then to begin with, if I was so easy to let go of" line of thinking.

Tell myself...you never loved me

Certainly would explain a lot of the (alleged) back and forth over the years.

[highwaywomen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I've often speculated that Stevie really didn't want to leave Lindsey, but felt like she was low on his priority list and thought that "breaking up" with him would "open his eyes" and cause him to make a big play to win her back.

You know how people will sometimes go out with someone just to make someone else jealous, in the hopes that they'll "see what they're missing out on"?
I kind of think that's what Stevie was doing -- and when Lindsey, I'm assuming, didn't make that big, romantic bid to win her back, she was heartbroken. You know, that whole twisted "well, maybe you didn't really love me all that much then to begin with, if I was so easy to let go of" line of thinking.

Just my speculation.

I was watching 'The Break Up' yesterday on HBO and that is what Jennifer's character in that movie did....

[xxxmx]

Originally Posted by Lauren

hey!
I was just listening to this song today and this post caught my attention. You know, as much as a lot of her songs are written "for Lindsey" or so she says and we think, one thing that I can't figure out for the life of me...she seems to be sad she doesn't have him in her songs or sad they didn't work out but if I recall didn't SHE end things not him? That's the part that doesn't make sense. If you let someone go, why want them all those years? Regret? Sure but of course he's going to move on and I bet she had a chance or many to get him back in between all this? Then again only they know for sure. Anyway, wanted to throw that out! Unless I missed something!

Love this song too!
Lauren

speaking from experience

break up with him because it's too intense or it's not intense enough or whatever. everytime she is alone, she wonders what he's doing. he has secret powers that let him know when she is vulnerable and lonely. even though he seems like the bitter one, the broken one, the one who "lost," he is the one that moves on. at least in some ways. that's terrible to watch.

this, by the way, is the story of my highschoolsweetheart and me. ten years of cyclical reconcilliation, arguing, and dancing around the issues, he just emailed me to tell me he was on his way to the hospital with his fiancee (whom i didn't know existed) because the baby was on the way. i was stunned by my lack of reaction. i think it's confusing; three months ago, he's pestering me about things long ago, and now he's engaged and fathering a child. how duplicitous!

for me, for us, i think it was the allure of possibility. he was always there, always an option. when that baby came, the door finally closed. he's off-limit now. i guess i'll just be happy that our saga only lasted a dozen years instead of forty.

wow, only check the ledge once every few months and you suddenly have a lot to say! did i even respond to a question or did i ramble? bleh.