NRA and DEMS seek stronger gun control

[shackin'up]

Sorry, your logic is absolutely impossible to follow. Only criminals and policemen need guns. Every citizen with a gun is a criminal. That should do the trick don't it. That's the way it basicly works over here.

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

Sorry, your logic is absolutely impossible to follow. Only criminals and policemen need guns. Every citizen with a gun is a criminal. That should do the trick don't it. That's the way it basicly works over here.

^----- Exactly.

Guns have one purpose: to kill (or seriously injure). Either way, no one should be allowed to own a gun.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

Sorry, your logic is absolutely impossible to follow. Only criminals and policemen need guns. Every citizen with a gun is a criminal. That should do the trick don't it. That's the way it basicly works over here.

That looks good on paper, but the problem is the police here cannot catch all the illegal guns now. So, what makes anyone think they can get them if all the law abiding gun holders turn their guns in. So, it is a catch 22 -- again, if they can get rid of all the handguns and assault weapons, then I am all for it. But, as long as the criminals have them, I say let us defend ourselves as I cannot stop a trigger pulling by dailing 911 and waiting for the cops.

But, you are never going to get rid of the rifles and shotguns - so the point is actually moot.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by The Tower

All guns should be banned.

I agree, but it will never happen - - so, I say until that happens, I want to be able to defend myself, not to mention hunt.

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

That looks good on paper, but the problem is the police here cannot catch all the illegal guns now. So, what makes anyone think they can get them if all the law abiding gun holders turn their guns in. So, it is a catch 22 -- again, if they can get rid of all the handguns and assault weapons, then I am all for it. But, as long as the criminals have them, I say let us defend ourselves as I cannot stop a trigger pulling by dailing 911 and waiting for the cops.

Subscribing to this notion only perpetuates gun violence. Gun laws shouldn't be based on what the criminal can do- it's a ridiculous argument.

This one is even more ridiculous:

So, what makes anyone think they can get them if all the law abiding gun holders turn their guns in.

Huh?!? What do "law abiding gun holders" have to do with get guns from the criminals?

But, you are never going to get rid of the rifles and shotguns - so the point is actually moot.

I say, get rid of them all.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I agree, but it will never happen - - so, I say until that happens, I want to be able to defend myself, not to mention hunt.

I think hunting should be banned, too.

[Sarah]

Then you should be the one forced to go into criminals' homes, dig through all their ****, find their guns, and bring them in.

Yeah. Right.

My gun has never killed or hurt any person or any animal. I am very proud of that, and I'd like to keep it that way. But there again, when some lunatic with nothing to lose brings his ass and his unregistered gun my way, my tally will change in a hurry. I'm proud of the fact that I feel like I can defend myself.

I don't trust the government or any other person (especially the hick-ass twisted cops we have around here who have never shot at anyone much less been shot at, who just think it's cool to PLAY with guns) with my defense. And to be honest, if they passed a law that said I'd have to turn in my gun, I'd break that **** and keep it. Piss on the theories and all the hypothetical bull**** that would be super nice. I would love to feel like I didn't need a gun, believe me. But for now, I'll stay in the real world, thanks.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

^^^^

The crazy liberals will never admit this logic. They instead think that banning all guns will keep them out of the hands of the criminals too. That just is not going to happen. So, I say until then, people can get guns.

been fence sitting much? splinters in the bum my friend??? coulda sworn you started off by saying you supported this legislation you cant foist off your forked tongue logic on "crazy liberals" Im afraid......you cant have it both ways. either you agree that guns should be banned and you turn yours in, OR you disagree, and you give pithy reasons why. FYI: the "hunting" reason is plain LAME. there is no SPORT in hunting an animal with a sophisticated weapon, with a scope and whatnot, for sheer joy of saying "I got him!!!" its even worse in a staged corral. Remember Bless the Beasts and the Children????

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by Sarah

Then you should be the one forced to go into criminals' homes, dig through all their ****, find their guns, and bring them in.

Yeah. Right.

My gun has never killed or hurt any person or any animal. I am very proud of that, and I'd like to keep it that way. But there again, when some lunatic with nothing to lose brings his ass and his unregistered gun my way, my tally will change in a hurry. I'm proud of the fact that I feel like I can defend myself.

I don't trust the government or any other person (especially the hick-ass twisted cops we have around here who have never shot at anyone much less been shot at, who just think it's cool to PLAY with guns) with my defense. And to be honest, if they passed a law that said I'd have to turn in my gun, I'd break that **** and keep it. Piss on the theories and all the hypothetical bull**** that would be super nice. I would love to feel like I didn't need a gun, believe me. But for now, I'll stay in the real world, thanks.

by the way, you DO know that its ILLEGAL to use DEADLY force (ie a GUN) to protect property? that means, my dear that a robber can come in and take your stereo, or your jewelry or your family heirlooms and you cant use a gun to stop him. you can only use a gun LEGALLY to protect your own LIFE or someone else's life. so. the question remains. what will you do if a robber comes in and steals your cash/jewels/property??????? use a gun, go to jail.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by The Tower

Subscribing to this notion only perpetuates gun violence. Gun laws shouldn't be based on what the criminal can do- it's a ridiculous argument.

This one is even more ridiculous:


Huh?!? What do "law abiding gun holders" have to do with get guns from the criminals?


I say, get rid of them all.


I think hunting should be banned, too.

HOLD THE PHONE. Please note the ONE and ONLY time Tower and I will agree:

I think hunting should be banned, too.

Im not a fan of what passes for "hunting" particularly since we dont need wild game to survive any more. If, on the other hand, we faced apocalypse and had to go back to living on the land, that would be a different story. But for now, in our society, there's no reason to allow "hunting". IMO. mark this day on your calendar. Im sure Towie will....

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

Sorry, your logic is absolutely impossible to follow. Only criminals and policemen need guns. Every citizen with a gun is a criminal. That should do the trick don't it. That's the way it basicly works over here.

only criminals and policemen need guns

criminals dont NEED guns, they just have them illegally! thats what makes them criminals. Im just saying. by the way, and not to belabor the obvious, America was a country founded on REBELLION. We didnt trust our Government. Personally, considering the way the Government has been acting pretty much unilaterally (since King George anyway) Im not against private gun ownership--but ONLY in the event we need to revolt/rebel against this corrupt Government. If that makes me guilty of treason so be it. I HATE my President and I HATE what has been perpetrated upon the American people in the name of furthering the agenda of some war hawks and greedy corporate beneficiaries. Men in Black, I live in Northern CA. Come get me.

[strandinthewind]

Towie -

1. I adore you

2. You know as well as I do in South LA there will always be guns. I hate that. But, am I not saying the truth or at least should I sacrifice my life while the govt. takes 20 years - In the end, I think hunting should be ok -- but all other assault things as well as handguns should go. I pray for the day

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

. . . Im not against private gun ownership--but ONLY in the event we need to revolt/rebel against this corrupt Government . . . .

Or some man 40 pounds heavier than you are comes into your house to hurt you or your kids You know it happens.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Or some man 40 pounds heavier than you are comes into your house to hurt you or your kids You know it happens.

yes. and in the event I need to protect a LIFE, the law protects me.

sad to say, I dont own a gun. I'll just have to rely on my baseball bat.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

been fence sitting much? splinters in the bum my friend??? coulda sworn you started off by saying you supported this legislation you cant foist off your forked tongue logic on "crazy liberals" Im afraid......you cant have it both ways. either you agree that guns should be banned and you turn yours in, OR you disagree, and you give pithy reasons why. FYI: the "hunting" reason is plain LAME. there is no SPORT in hunting an animal with a sophisticated weapon, with a scope and whatnot, for sheer joy of saying "I got him!!!" its even worse in a staged corral. Remember Bless the Beasts and the Children????

I do support this legislation, which does not ban all guns -- so I am consistent.

Also, I know people who hunt their own land for food. And, believe me, a slaughterhouse is no walk in the park compared to hunting.

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

1. I adore you

Ditto!

2. You know as well as I do in South LA there will always be guns. I hate that. But, am I not saying the truth or at least should I sacrifice my life while the govt. takes 20 years - In the end, I think hunting should be ok -- but all other assault things as well as handguns should go. I pray for the day

Yes, there will always be guns. I was born in So Cal and have lived here all my life and have never owned a gun and have never had the occasion to use one for any reason. I am not part of a sheltered group that has been cloistered away from poverty, etc. So, with that said-

Human beings are basically stupid, emotional creatures. Guns give us stupid, emotional creatures far too much control over each other and allowing them to be in so many people's hands creates a huge danger to our society.

Sarah's claim about being a responsible gun owner sounds great and all that- but, how many people out there who are "responsible" gun owners end up in a position where they lose it emotionally and someone ends up dead? Not to mention all the other gun owners who aren't responsible at the very least and who are lunatics at the worst? I mean, people in LA on the freeways freak out at each other and flip each other off just because of traffic congestion (and bad driving). These are just regular old people who lose it emotionally for stupid reasons. Could you imagine adding guns to that equation?

Guns and the "gun culture" just contribute to gun violence. The glamorization of the power of guns perpetuates the violence- especially to those who are probably the worst candidates to own a gun. Empowering a gun to point where just because you own it somehow gives you defense against the world again perpetuates the violence. Look at those New York cops who blew away that black guy who was leaving a bar on his wedding day. They lost control and wiped him out. How many people have been blown away by cops because the cops didn't know whether or not they had a gun in their waistband? Because guns are so prevalent in society, law enforcement automatically has to assume that any situation they are presented with will have a gun associated with it.

It's all wrong. The only way to stop it, is to remove the guns from the equation. To ban them. To stigmatize them. To not make them glamorous. To not allow them to give stupid, emotional humans the feeling of empowerment. We don't need killing machines in the public in this day and age.