Stevie Taking questions on TODAY

[GarboSpeaks!]

I did too... I had visions of her sitting there with someone typing sifting through pages and pages of questions... answering TONS!

Canadian yet somehow witty. hmmm. I wasn't expecting an eight hour mini-series, just a tad more than 1 min 9 seconds. geesh.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by catinthedark

i'm going to assume - and to be honest, hope - that you are kidding here? that that's what the smiley face means? because otherwise, i don't think anyone has the right to tell me to stop being a fan just because i don't love every single solitary move she makes. or to imply that i'm only interested, as you say, for the ride. you? have no idea of what you speak, my friend, if you think i'm only interested in the ride if i get to choose the destination. how condescending. and i certainly don't have to explain or defend my feelings about stevie nicks to anyone.

You don't have to defend your feelings... you have every right to them.
I'm not saying that anyone isn't a "true" fan or that anyone else is a more deserving fan. Hell, I don't love EVERY move she makes either.
It's just that with all the Chicken Little -- "the sky is falling" -- sentiments that are expressed around here on a daily basis ("nostalgia act," "non-artist," "sell-out," "washed up"), I do tend to sometimes think, "well, if you're so disappointed by what Stevie is doing, perhaps there's something better to be focusing your attentions on."

And, by "you," I don't mean you personally, but in general.

Maybe some fans don't give Stevie enough credit... or maybe I give her too much credit. Who knows?
I just don't think that any of this is anywhere remotely close to being the end of the world. I also don't think that this is Stevie's last hurrah. What I do think, is that she's enjoying being out on the road and having fun... without any pressures or anxieties... and, at some point, she'll be ready to focus on creating something new again.

Every artist needs to re-charge their batteries from time to time. Some disappear for years or decades... Stevie packs her duffle-bag and tours.

(By the way, I've already expressed my opinion in the past, that I would really rather Stevie not record an album of standards or covers. I absolutely agree with you there. I'm far more interested in her own writing. But, admittedly, based on how she's always managed to take a song written by someone else and make it truly her own, it's not an idea that I'm violently opposed to. It just wouldn't be my first... or second... choice.)

[sparky]

Originally Posted by catinthedark

i'm going to assume - and to be honest, hope - that you are kidding here? that that's what the smiley face means?

The smiley face was passive aggression to indicate I should shut the hell up if I think her actions are less than perfect.

because otherwise, i don't think anyone has the right to tell me to stop being a fan just because i don't love every single solitary move she makes. or to imply that i'm only interested, as you say, for the ride. you? have no idea of what you speak, my friend, if you think i'm only interested in the ride if i get to choose the destination. how condescending. and i certainly don't have to explain or defend my feelings about stevie nicks to anyone.

Oh, but catinthedark, you most certainly do. Or you can just smile and take the cautionary slaps. Or just don't ever really say it plainly. Okay, maybe if you profess love and devotion and absolute understanding of Stevie's inner turmoil too. Because she's such a put upon victim and has such troubles.
It takes patience and dedication to continue to express direct dissatisfaction with any aspects of the Goddess. The road is long, grasshopper, and the obstacles are many.
The subtext is: You can feel it, but you can't express it honestly. Not without a justification and a small or large argument, depending on your energy level. Never a dull moment, baby. It reminds me of a bad movie of the week about Suzanne Somers' childhood for some odd reason. Minus the bedwetting.

[Johnny Stew]

Glad to see I'm not the only one around here who has experience with passive-aggressive responses, Sparks.

(Ooh, wait, was that comment passive-aggressive, too? I never can tell until Sparky points it out for me.)

[sparky]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Glad to see I'm not the only one around here who has experience with passive-aggressive responses, Sparks.

(Ooh, wait, was that comment passive-aggressive, too? I never can tell until Sparky points it out for me.)

Direct conversations = pointlessness. Proven dozens of times. Which never stops you from responding to my opinions, for some odd reason.

I wasn't being passive aggressive. Merely avoiding the waste of time and breath that is an exchange with you. And trying to help catinthedark out with the lay of the land. The kid's gotta realize how such posts will be dealt with. Its a public service.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by sparky

Direct conversations = pointlessness. Proven dozens of times. Which never stops you from responding to my opinions, for some odd reason.

You express your opinion, I express mine. We go back and forth, illustrating our individual perspectives and the basis of our positions. I always thought that was how one debates a topic of discussion.

So I'm not sure why you seem to feel your opinions are any more valid than mine, as such to render your conversations with me "pointless."

Originally Posted by sparky

I wasn't being passive aggressive. Merely avoiding the waste of time and breath that is an exchange with you. And trying to help catinthedark out with the lay of the land. The kid's gotta realize how such posts will be dealt with. Its a public service.

Oh, come off it. You once accused me of being "up on the cross," and now that's how you sound. No one is immune to having their opinions debated around here. Not me, not you, not anyone. When I express an opinion, I'm fully prepared to back it up. I guess I always assume that everyone else is prepared to back up their opinions, too, rather than simply making a statement that they expect to remain unchallenged.

[GiniLeaE]

Originally Posted by catinthedark

and i certainly don't have to explain or defend my feelings about stevie nicks to anyone.

TRUE...very TRUE!

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

In my opinion (yeah, yeah, who asked for it)

Opinions are like...well ya know...


OR
(for the faint of heart or those easily offended)

AND THEY ALL


Because that is what makes them differ from a FACT or HYPOTHESIS!


'Cause it works like this:

OR
(my personal fave! )

But that's just my, well ya know...[/SIZE]

[Rickypt]

I thought Stevie's Today performance was BORING. There's only so many times I can try to look on the positive side and say "she looked great".

I just can't muster the energy to be excited about hearing Landslide and Rhiannon. In fact, I fast forwarded through both songs. I didn't even like the interview very much. I cringed when Lauer started zipping through songs from her past trying to get quick comments from her. Stevie's too slow for that. And I don't mean slow like dumb, I mean she takes her time answering questions and isn't the type to spit out quick answers.

At this point, I'm desperate for the album of standards. Something new...anything...anything....anything.....

[catinthedark]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

You don't have to defend your feelings... you have every right to them.
I'm not saying that anyone isn't a "true" fan or that anyone else is a more deserving fan. Hell, I don't love EVERY move she makes either.
It's just that with all the Chicken Little -- "the sky is falling" -- sentiments that are expressed around here on a daily basis ("nostalgia act," "non-artist," "sell-out," "washed up"), I do tend to sometimes think, "well, if you're so disappointed by what Stevie is doing, perhaps there's something better to be focusing your attentions on."

why? why do you care, or even think you have the right, to judge how someone else reacts to stevie nicks? it's not like you're her mother, having to stick up for her in the face of the mean bullies in the schoolyard. there is a very wide definition of fandom. some may call themselves "fans" because they own rumours and know the words to dreams. is this "fan" not a fan enough because they don't own all the demos, outtakes, and never released? similarly, a fan can be a fan and hate every solo album she has made. you STILL have no right to suggest they have something better to focus their attention on.

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

And, by "you," I don't mean you personally, but in general.

yeah. i got that. in general, there are a lot of people who you don't think are fan enough to be here.

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Maybe some fans don't give Stevie enough credit... or maybe I give her too much credit. Who knows?

why do any fans have to give her credit? give her credit for what? i like what she does. i like her voice. i like her lyrics. i pay hundreds and hundreds of dollars to travel and see her live. i like the discussions here - and i like to hear the opinions of people here. i like that there are other people in the world who like her as much as i do. but if my like/love/admiration/obsession/respect/whatever of her doesn't measure up to yours, i'm still allowed to be here - and call myself a fan. oh, and say that an album of standards from her would not thrill me.

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I just don't think that any of this is anywhere remotely close to being the end of the world.

where did i or anyone else suggest it is?

[sparky]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

You express your opinion, I express mine. We go back and forth, illustrating our individual perspectives and the basis of our positions. I always thought that was how one debates a topic of discussion.

That is generally how people debate, yeah.

So I'm not sure why you seem to feel your opinions are any more valid than mine, as such to render your conversations with me "pointless."

I never mentioned validity. The reason the exchages are pointless is that they are played out. They're always the same. And frankly, your opinions aren't of much interest to me.

Oh, come off it. You once accused me of being "up on the cross," and now that's how you sound. No one is immune to having their opinions debated around here. Not me, not you, not anyone. When I express an opinion, I'm fully prepared to back it up. I guess I always assume that everyone else is prepared to back up their opinions, too, rather than simply making a statement that they expect to remain unchallenged.

Me? On the cross? If there is one thing I lack for certain, it is a martyr complex. I like to avoid making posts such as this. Its about as new as, oh, doing Landslide, talking about Lindsey, or speaking of my belief in cycles. For the record, I like a healthy exchange of ideas. And I am capable of writing an epic to back up my opinions. I'm just not interested in doing those things with you.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by catinthedark

why do you care, or even think you have the right, to judge how someone else reacts to stevie nicks? it's not like you're her mother, having to stick up for her in the face of the mean bullies in the schoolyard.

This is how my fandom is and I think quite a few of us feel like this...but then again everyone has a different level of fandom but I tink being a fan is just enjoying the music...

[Rickypt]

I do not understand why the discussion has to focus on people's opinion of what defines a Stevie fan. Sometimes I feel like people think if they defend Stevie unconditionally and attack people who express disappointment in her then somehow Stevie is going to notice and send a handwritten thank you note or something.

I think we've all established that we are fans. Someone could say that I'm not as much a fan because I am finding the whole CV/sameoldsetlist to be extremely boring and uninspiring while I could say that someone who praises her unconditionally and does nothing to encourage her to be creative is not a real fan. It's a futile discussion.

The discussion should be did you like the Today performance and why or did you not like it and why not.

I did not like it because it was the same thing I've seen over and over for the past zillion years. It was no different from her last Today show appearance. It was disappointing to hear them play songs like TTM and I Can't Wait before/after the commerical breaks but know that she will never sing those songs again. It was disappointing that she didn't even do Rock And Roll, which, while I'm not a big fan of that song, would have at least shown the world that she is doing something other than trotting out 1975 nostalgia.

I was a little depressed watching the Today segment.....

[strandinthewind]

^^^

I was too. I thought the end of Rhiannon was interesting in that she tried to have fun with it, but she did not go too far.

In the end, I really like her. However, I am tired of essentially the same outfit and the same songs over and over with some great exceptions like R&R, CD, and B&B.

I was watching the CV video of the actual take from After the Glitter Fades and I cried because that is the Nicks I knew and there is little of that voice left. Then, i saw her JAMMINBG in that dance scene - and there is little of that around as well - though she certainly showed some on the TP tour But, I cut her slack because of her age and am thankful when she chooses to show it. So, that is that.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

^^^

Then, i saw her JAMMINBG in that dance scene - and there is little of that around as well - though she certainly showed some on the TP tour But, I cut her slack because of her age and am thankful when she chooses to show it. So, that is that.

I'm sure we'll see some jamming on this tour

Just to add...you prob mentioned this but, u guys heard it when she said she might add Whole Lotta Trouble in the set on CV, right?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

I'm sure we'll see some jamming on this tour

Here's hoping