Enough of their BS

[skcin]

Originally Posted by madformac

So it would Seem Russia are your enemy not Iran. But then Russia can't be can they? Because they are now a trade nation...

Oh, I think we'll be going back to being not so friendly very soon. All I keep reading about in recent months has to do with Putin disagreeing with U.S. policy, and the Russian government stopping protests, arresting people, etc.

Commmunism is alive & well in Mother Russia (as well as much of Eastern Europe.) People like to think that when the wall came down, everything automatically got better. Not so for most of these countries. So they are very frustrated that after almost 20 years, there has been little change. They'd rather have the communists back in power - at least under their rule they had jobs, food, housing, retirement, health care, etc.

[Sarah]

Originally Posted by skcin

Oh, I think we'll be going back to being not so friendly very soon. All I keep reading about in recent months has to do with Putin disagreeing with U.S. policy, and the Russian government stopping protests, arresting people, etc.

Commmunism is alive & well in Mother Russia (as well as much of Eastern Europe.) People like to think that when the wall came down, everything automatically got better. Not so for most of these countries. So they are very frustrated that after almost 20 years, there has been little change. They'd rather have the communists back in power - at least under their rule they had jobs, food, housing, retirement, health care, etc.

Yeah, I don't think we've ever really liked China OR Russia. Grit your teeth and smile for the camera.

The whole race for space thing is so downplayed. Russia doesn't want us to put weapons in space, because that scares them ****less. If they keep up in providing weapons to terrorists and trying to block all our stuff in the UN, I say we put some damn weapons in space. Like a huge-ass magnifying glass that'll fry Moscow like an ant. Somebody's always going to be trying to be the only super power. I would much rather it be America than AHH, MOTHERLAND or China. Eff both of those scenarios.

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by Sarah

Homegrowns are just as scary to me. And of course, we have native citizens on Al-Jazeera talking about spilling our blood. Blahblahblah. They need to be dealt with. That's all I'm sayin'.

yer saying, trust me on that.

The thing that always bothered me about the doctumentary was how our govt. allowed known allies of terror groups to gather together in an American town (That suffered a terror attack) for a 'jihad fest' and not do a damn thing about it. WTH?

If I were to go on TV right now and threaten the President my ass would be locked up faster than you can say "Stevie's playing the same setlist of songs that she did last year" or "Lindsey's doing that damned speech about 'Cycles' again".




Too bad some wack-a-loon terror group wouldnt bomb American Idol, the Grammy's, Academy Awards, the ESPY's, American Music Awards, the Golden Globes, etc. live on TV...I would gather a couple of $$$ and buy 'em 1 fruit basket for a job well done

[madformac]

There you go, you have your main threat now. Iran are just extras. Smokescreen stuff. They are not players. Give them nuclear capabilities and a platform on the world stage and who are their main allies?

Yes you have got it. The same people that have funded them. Russia have no major friends on the world stage, not now China are distancing themselves. Russia need more allies. By funding Iran they will get it. China had similar ideas with North Korea but it seems they have now changed tactics. Might have something to do whith increased trade with the USA perhaps?

And there you have it. War is an extention of politics. Here endeth the lesson.

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by madformac

And there you have it. War is an extention of politics. Here endeth the lesson.

WAR is a great funk band of the late 60's/early 70's...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_%28band%29

[Sarah]

Originally Posted by estranged4life

WAR is a great funk band of the late 60's/early 70's...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_%28band%29

Hell Yes.

But I have to agree with madformac on the China distracting themselves point. IF America was taken out of the picture, it's not like Russia and China would act like friends anymore. They'd have to fight it out themselves.

[markolas]

Life, and intelligent life in particular, is probably a very rare occurrence in the universe, and all I see is humanity squandering a really precious thing. A planet's ability to sustain life is finite to begin with, and people are just speeding up the inevitable. Why? When this is gone, there will be no Jesus or Allah to put it back together again. This is all we've got, and we're quickly screwing ourselves out of our very existence, but nobody can see that. They just go on and on with their religious fanaticism and lust for power and prestige. That is what sickens me.

[Serrart]

Originally Posted by skcin

It really IS a game, and that scares the **** out of me. Human lives should not be pawns in games, I'm sorry.

And I totally disagree with you about Iran not using the weapons if they get them. If they feel that just having them isn't getting their message across, they'll send a stronger message by using them. IMO.

i don't now why Iran is seen in US as a monolytic system, when it isn't since Khomeini's death. Even if right now the government is right wing oriented, there's also a very strong part of the Country that's more open to the west. Khatami is an example and behind him there's a strong support. Certainly I really doubt the progressist part of Iran will have even a single chance to win at the next election if US keep showing there's nothing good in the West to treat with.

Iran is a Country with great history, and a wide burocracy. Since luckily they hadn't had in years a charismatic ayatollah as Khomeini, or a president able to unite all the factions, the Country has become a spectrum full of different lights and shadows. They wouldn't use nuclear weapons because they don't need to do it. America is already scared an hysteric enough. I wonder why US doesn't put the same effort in trying to rule Pakistan, which is a wider and more dangerous terrorists'nest. US for years has helped that Country, hoping to have some kind of control on the government, but they clearly used your money in other manners. It seems to me that the strongest Country in the world, is bad in coping with its enemies, but even worse in choosing its new friends.


Romy

[skcin]

^ That's a very pretty picture you've painted of Iran - very different than the one my coworker has told me about (born & raised there, family still there.)

[Für Elise]

Originally Posted by skcin

^ That's a very pretty picture you've painted of Iran - very different than the one my coworker has told me about (born & raised there, family still there.)

this isnt specific to this thread just in general but just cause one person has a view of a situation because they lived there or live there doesnt make it a fact. if i asked one american about the climate in america and the attitude of americans about the government theres no way that would make there opinion the fact about what america is like. i know two people from afghanistan and one wants to go back home and one is really opposed to how it is there now and has a lot of anger about what happened. there both from there though but what i mean is that you cant judge what the whole people think cause you've heard from one person.

[skcin]

Originally Posted by Für Elise

this isnt specific to this thread just in general but just cause one person has a view of a situation because they lived there or live there doesnt make it a fact. if i asked one american about the climate in america and the attitude of americans about the government theres no way that would make there opinion the fact about what america is like. i know two people from afghanistan and one wants to go back home and one is really opposed to how it is there now and has a lot of anger about what happened. there both from there though but what i mean is that you cant judge what the whole people think cause you've heard from one person.

Yes, that was kind of my point. In this case, Serrart gave one impression, I was simply stating that not everyone would agree.

[Serrart]

Originally Posted by skcin

Yes, that was kind of my point. In this case, Serrart gave one impression, I was simply stating that not everyone would agree.

In case anyone is curious, to know something about Iran from a different perspective, there's also their art. Actually in America is going to debut Offside by one of their best directors, Jafar Panahi. Some other fantastic filmakers they have are: Mohsen Makhmalbaf; the greatest, Abbas Kiarostami. There are also some very interesting women directors like Samira Makhmalbaf and Niki Karimi, who just made a beautiful movie about how difficult can be to have a career (the leading character is a successful publicist) and a private life

All these filmakers aren't loved by government but since they tend to win tons of awards, censorship leaves them more space to work .
Their cinema has often a neorealistic style so they usually show everyday life, but some of them like Panahi like to change fro drama to comedy. Then there's a quite frequent surreal and oniric vein in some of their films.

Some great titles:
Close up http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100234/
And the life goes on http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105888/
Under the Olive Trees http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111845/
A taste of Cherry http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120265/
Bread and Flower http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117214/
The Silence http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0152438/
Kandahar http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0283431/
The White balloon http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112445/
The Mirror http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117056/
The Circle (this is about female condition, from the opposite side to the one described by Niki Karimi)http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0255094/
The Blackboard http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0246266/
At Five in the Afternoon http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0363303/
The apple http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0156901/
A Few Days Later http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0855752/

Romy