What are you THINKING right now?

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Stew_Matthews

The question I asked was about how the request was made. I said to Carrie that I was 'sad' with her pic and she changed it immediately. How did you ask? I don't believe she changed it to a horse because that's what she thought of either you, Chris or Ryan. Is that what you're saying?

I didn't personally make the request. Chris did.
It's no secret that there's no love lost between Carrie and Chris, and it appears from the public response and sudden rash of "horse's ass" photos, that the request didn't go over well.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Nixxxed

The last time this happened (Nazigate of 2005 or so...), you just turned off the signatures of the people in question. What's different this time?

Marty turned off that function last time... I don't actually have that capability.

Originally Posted by Nixxxed

I'm sorry your personal life is making you grumpy. However, you can stop being a moderator at any time.

I like it here. I've been a Ledgie since 1997, and I'm happy that I'm able to say "thank you" to Marty & Lis by helping out. I certainly wouldn't want to leave them in the lurch.

[sparky]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I suppose you'd have to ask Carrie that.
Of course, it should be said that she did change her pic... but she changed it to one that illustrated what she thinks of the moderator in question.

That's quite an assumption of intent. I didn't read it that way at all, and I am a snarky SOB. I thought it was just a "Okay, is the butt less disgusting than the crusty teeth?"

But as far as the FAQs go, I guess the large scale agreement about the silliness and susbsequent sig pic adding could be interpreted as a personal attack. More of a joke that an attack, but all in the eye of the beholder I suppose.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by sparky

Actually, I saw it too and it wasn't exactly pleasant, Suze. You can say please and thank you and still take a tone. I like the people involved, but it seems silly more than anything else. Silly. What is offensive and disgusting about horse teeth? It wasn't genitals or a necropsy photo. Sure its goofy to make the statement, via sig pic, "What is worse, looking at the horse's ass or his dirty teeth?" Nonetheless, I perceive it is silliness, not snarkiness, not "disrespect" and not hostile. The whole thing is funny. The initial situation is ridiculous. The secondary situation was funny and even more ridiculous.

The energy has really taken a turn here. Obviously, people do behave like kids on a playground at times - in their actions and reactions. There have been little tempests in this teapot since I joined. But very little in the way of outright hostility or significant aggression. There are spats, but not conspiracies and full scale wars. Its all burr in the saddle kind of stuff, with very rare exceptions.

Regardless, it seems to me like there is a high level of disgust and contempt towards some posters from some mods. I am glad people volunteer to moderate. I am certain it is thankless. I could never make the distinction between my personal feelings and the rules. Such a skill is obviously required to do it well. Maybe people are just getting burned out on it.

Nevertheless, if someone starts wanting to kill the 6 year olds, time to quit the teaching job.

Oh I don't know why she found it offensive, it was gross. I wouldn't have made such a request. And I have resigned actually because I really am burnt out. I'll be around for the transition to a new mod though.

[Stew_Matthews]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I didn't personally make the request. Chris did.
It's no secret that there's no love lost between Carrie and Chris, and it appears from the public response and sudden rash of "horse's ass" photos, that the request didn't go over well.

Let's face it - you're a reasonable and intelligent man and the 'super moderator'. Wouldn't the Board be better with Carrie, Michelle and Michael ( even though he's from New Zealand ) back and you sort this out privately with those people. Cos it's only gonna keep happening and ther wont be a Ledge left.

It would make everyone happy!

Stew

[SortaSavageLike]

Right now I'm wondering if anyone is getting tired of my constant signature changes.

[Nixxxed]

Originally Posted by sparky

Actually, I saw it too and it wasn't exactly pleasant, Suze. You can say please and thank you and still take a tone.

A moderator around here take a tone????? NEVER!!!

[skcin]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

I saw the message and yes it was VERY respectful and in no way deserved the snarky backlash. I think people's perceptions are being colored by things in the past.

Also, there is fun and funny and then there is having fun by deliberately trying to piss people off. That's not fun for everyone is it?

So, you know for sure that it was done specifically to disrespect Chris' moderator status & make her mad? Not just because it was funny & Carrie questioned what else might be deemed offensive? Would people have been banned if they had posted a horse's eye? That could have been perceived as "I have my eye on you, Chris!" A cow udder? "I'm udderly pissed at you, Chris!" Human teeth, to gross her out? Seriously, draw me a line so I know not to cross it.

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Well, I suppose we could have asked them to remove their sig pics... but since this all started because someone was asked to change their sig pic, would that request be honored or would we have just had to deal with a new set of snarky sig pics?

No one's an innocent victim here. Everyone who had that pic in their signature knew why it was there and for whom it was meant. Sure, they were having "fun," but it wasn't innocent fun.

This will probably be the grumpiest thing I've ever said here, but I have a lot of **** going on in my life right now... my mother's health problems, my grandmother is now in the hospital, stress at work... and right now all I want to do is have a fun few days with my boyfriend while he's here from California. But, no, I have to waste my time playing mediator because ADULTS can't refrain from acting like little babies.

I don't wish ill on anyone, but may all your problems be as small and petty as not being able to post on a message board for a couple of days.

Hey, hey, hey! Nobody's claiming that everyone involved is innocent. But to ban someone temporarily (without any warning or explanation, btw) for being snarky? I've never been one to scream "censorship" or bitch about free speech, because I'm aware that this is a private board, but this is going just a bit too far, IMO. Everyone has the ability to disable sigs, right? So DISABLE them if you don't want to look at it. It would be different if the pic were controversial, or containing nudity or something like that. But it didn't. Personal preference & all that.

Can you imagine if people started PMing other members every time they didn't like someone's sig for no real reason? "Hey, I hate the Golden Girls, please change your sig." "Hey, Stevie looks fat in your sig pic, I don't want to look at it." "Hey, it appears to me that your sig pic is snarky. Please cease & desist from using it." WTF.

And sorry about your personal life - I'm sure (well, I hope) most of us have something more important than all of this going on in our lives right now. I'm quite sure that no Ledgie wishes YOU any ill will. But you're not forced to be a mod, you decided to take on that responsibility & all that comes with it. So you can cut the martyr crap, it doesn't become you.

I'm also amused that you think we're pissed because our little friends can't post right now. That's not it at all. Something was done that we believe was strange & unfair, and we decided to let other Ledgies know about it - if only so people can be careful what they post. I would have honestly never thought that the photo in question would get anyone banned. If I had been here this past weekend, I would have put it in my sig too, never thinking twice. Didn't break any rules that I'm aware of, so I would never have dreamed that would do it. These offenders should have received warnings first, a certain amount of time to remove the photos from their sigs. But that wasn't done & I still don't get why.

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I suppose you'd have to ask Carrie that.
Of course, it should be said that she did change her pic... but she changed it to one that illustrated what she thinks of the moderator in question.

Really? Is this according to Carrie? She told you that she put a pic in her sig of a horse's behind because she thinks Chris is an ass? Interesting THEORY, Stew. Not fact. I'm offended by you, a moderator, posting your own assumption and implying that it's a fact, that you know that's what she did & why she did it. And I'm not being sarcastic or snarky at all. I mean it, that is bull****!

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I didn't personally make the request. Chris did.

That wasn't the case 48 hours ago. I asked nicely for her to remove a picture that was disgusting. She did but instead of responding to me personally she chose to take it to the boards instead. For the record, I don't dislike her, never did. I asked her to remove something I thought was offensive. It was a decision I made as a mod but it was nothing personal.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by sparky

Actually, I saw it too and it wasn't exactly pleasant, Suze. You can say please and thank you and still take a tone. I like the people involved, but it seems silly more than anything else. Silly.

I didn't feel that way. But I'm the one who has to look at everyone's signatures and bull**** all day long. I don't have the luxury of the ignore function and if I did use it I wouldn't be doing my job.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by sparky

Nevertheless, if someone starts wanting to kill the 6 year olds, time to quit the teaching job.

Amen. But I didn't think The Ledge was a place for six year olds.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by MoonChilde

Amen..Even though I am more of lurker than a poster ,I have noticed that there seems to always be trouble brewing around the same person.:? I have even said to myself..wow why does that person have to be so Snarky all the time? and really I have no personal feelings involved in this..I come here to see whats going on in FM world..and to get a few laughs..If there is something that is posted I don;t agree with or like..I just ignore..I appreciate what the mods do,but perhaps a inner meeting of the minds is in order here?..Just my 2 cents..now I will go back to lurking..thanks

And the pile on is on! Burn the witch, burn the witch!

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

Oh I don't know why she found it offensive, it was gross. I wouldn't have made such a request. And I have resigned actually because I really am burnt out. I'll be around for the transition to a new mod though.

As have I. So you can all raise your glasses in a toast and say "Ding dong the witch is dead."

[Stew_Matthews]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

That wasn't the case 48 hours ago. I asked nicely for her to remove a picture that was disgusting. She did but instead of responding to me personally she chose to take it to the boards instead.

The disgusting thing isn't fair. You don't like it maybe and there are other things posted that I don't like. But you've got to see things in the round and at the end of the day the woman is bloody funny and makes it worthwhile coming onto this site. I can only go on my own experience and when I politely suggested that I wasn't keen on something she moved it! I think a polite request to consider the suitability of somehting is better than asking someone to remove something 'disgusting'.


Stew

[skcin]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

That wasn't the case 48 hours ago. I asked nicely for her to remove a picture that was disgusting. She did but instead of responding to me personally she chose to take it to the boards instead.

Per Carrie - she did respond to you personally via PM at first. Never got a response back from you.