What are you THINKING right now?

[danax6]

Originally Posted by skcin

I'd be way more concerned about what kind of message it sends when a MODERATOR sends a PM to a member asking them to remove a pic for no other reason that because they think it's gross & don't want to look at it.

Yeah, see, I don't get this either. Just because you are a mod you can go around making requests like that? Had it been me I would have told any person to go F themselves and just not look at the picture if they didn't like it. Like we've been told many, many times before by the mods here, there's always the ignore feature. Had it been any other person than a moderator that was involved in this, surely those dozen people wouldn't have gotten banned.

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

A request was made for Carrie to remove her signature pic. A request, not a demand.
Carrie didn't like it, and decided to send a "message" to Chris with her horse's ass pic. Her friends followed suit.

Whether or not any of you like us, or agree with us, we're not here... on our own time and without pay... to be mocked or disrespected. On other message boards, that kind of behaviour is immediately greeted with a permanent ban. We've never done that here on the Ledge, yet all we get for our troubles is more grief.

The crew who joined in on the "horse's ass brigade" were TEMPORARILY banned for just a few short days, until this matter can be discussed by the mods and sorted through. Since a dozen people were involved, this was done to prevent the situation from escalating... as it has so many times in the past. No one has been given a strike and no one has been permanently banned. This was done as a preventative measure. It is a right of the moderators, and has been exercised in the past when necessary.

But ok. First off, it was unfair for Chris to ask Carrie to remove her sig pic simply because SHE was offended by it - just turn off the sig viewing thing - no one else seemed to have a problem with it And from what I've heard she did not ask in the nicest of manners.

And frankly, I think this is not about the moderators, but more about Chris.

What everyone did with the horses ass picture (myself included) was make light of a ridiculous situation. Well basically I'm agreeing with what Paula said a few posts up.

This seems to me to be blown so ridiculously out of proportion.

My intent is not to add to the grief you're getting..I appreciate you and the other mods, but I've also noticed that one mod in particular (you know who I'm talking about) has seemingly caused more trouble lately than kept people out of it...

I'm not trying to cause more trouble, this is just the observation I've made.

[Wild_Heart03]

Originally Posted by skcin

^ Thanks for the explanation, Stew. This just keeps getting better & better. Mocked & disrespected? Come off it. It was a joke, for cripes sake. Nobody was attacking anyone, nobody posted any pics that were against the rules. Sending a message? A message saying what, that we're goofy & immature & silly people sometimes? Wow, that IS a real problem.

I'd be way more concerned about what kind of message it sends when a MODERATOR sends a PM to a member asking them to remove a pic for no other reason that because they think it's gross & don't want to look at it.

Thank you, Paula - my thoughts exactly.

[Stew_Matthews]

I assume the funny guy 'HomerMcVie' has gone. Not sure whio else. But generally the 'funny' people.

Stew

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

But ok. First off, it was unfair for Chris to ask Carrie to remove her sig pic simply because SHE was offended by it - just turn off the sig viewing thing - no one else seemed to have a problem with it And from what I've heard she did not ask in the nicest of manners.

And frankly, I think this is not about the moderators, but more about Chris.

What everyone did with the horses ass picture (myself included) was make light of a ridiculous situation. Well basically I'm agreeing with what Paula said a few posts up.

This seems to me to be blown so ridiculously out of proportion.

My intent is not to add to the grief you're getting..I appreciate you and the other mods, but I've also noticed that one mod in particular (you know who I'm talking about) has seemingly caused more trouble lately than kept people out of it...

I'm not trying to cause more trouble, this is just the observation I've made.

Amen..Even though I am more of lurker than a poster ,I have noticed that there seems to always be trouble brewing around the same person.:? I have even said to myself..wow why does that person have to be so Snarky all the time? and really I have no personal feelings involved in this..I come here to see whats going on in FM world..and to get a few laughs..If there is something that is posted I don;t agree with or like..I just ignore..I appreciate what the mods do,but perhaps a inner meeting of the minds is in order here?..Just my 2 cents..now I will go back to lurking..thanks

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by gretchen

Stay with us Estranged, we love you here!!!!!! Don't even talk about suicide. Sending much love to you and your wife...Ledgie love to you!!!!! Now go listen to TURN IT ON and feel better!

I'm not going anywhere, "Heaven doesnt want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over"

So I'll sit here eating my corndog as 5 cats stare at me with 'starving eyes' and as I listen to Opeth's "Hours of Wealth" (My personal favorite song by anyone in the past couple of years)

Edit: Dumb ol' "Jr.", gave him a piece of the weiner in the corndog and his 'daughter' "Quilt-Pirate" stole it while saying "Argghh, bounty..."

[SortaSavageLike]

I'm thinking I have the bass turned up too loud on my speakers.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by trackaghost

I agree completely. It seems an extreme measure for something that is little more than a joke. And really from what I've heard the original request about the sig pic was made as a mod, not a friendly "do you mind removing it..."

I saw the message and yes it was VERY respectful and in no way deserved the snarky backlash. I think people's perceptions are being colored by things in the past.

Also, there is fun and funny and then there is having fun by deliberately trying to piss people off. That's not fun for everyone is it?

[Stew_Matthews]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

I saw the message and yes it was VERY respectful and in no way deserved the snarky backlash. I think people's perceptions are being colored by things in the past.

Also, there is fun and funny and then there is having fun by deliberately trying to piss people off. That's not fun for everyone is it?

I'm a bit confused cos Carrie changed one of her Sig Pics yesterday because I said I was sad about the fact that it seemed like she didn't want this particular cat. In fact it was early in the morning here and I think I'd misunderstood what she said but she changed it straight away - that very second!

She just isn't unreasonable in my experience - not at all!

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by trackaghost

People were banned for a sig pic? Really??? Shouldn't they have been at least warned if their behaviour was deemed mocking and disrespectful? This is crazy.

Well, I suppose we could have asked them to remove their sig pics... but since this all started because someone was asked to change their sig pic, would that request be honored or would we have just had to deal with a new set of snarky sig pics?

No one's an innocent victim here. Everyone who had that pic in their signature knew why it was there and for whom it was meant. Sure, they were having "fun," but it wasn't innocent fun.

This will probably be the grumpiest thing I've ever said here, but I have a lot of **** going on in my life right now... my mother's health problems, my grandmother is now in the hospital, stress at work... and right now all I want to do is have a fun few days with my boyfriend while he's here from California. But, no, I have to waste my time playing mediator because ADULTS can't refrain from acting like little babies.

I don't wish ill on anyone, but may all your problems be as small and petty as not being able to post on a message board for a couple of days.

[Stew_Matthews]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Well, I suppose we could have asked them to remove their sig pics... but since this all started because someone was asked to change their sig pic, would that request be honored or would we have just had to deal with a new set of snarky sig pics?

No one's an innocent victim here. Everyone who had that pic in their signature knew why it was there and for whom it was meant. Sure, they were having "fun," but it wasn't innocent fun.

This will probably be the grumpiest thing I've ever said here, but I have a lot of **** going on in my life right now... my mother's health problems, my grandmother is now in the hospital, stress at work... and right now all I want to do is have a fun few days with my boyfriend while he's here from California. But, no, I have to waste my time playing mediator because ADULTS can't refrain from acting like little babies.

I don't wish ill on anyone, but may all your problems be as small and petty as not being able to post on a message board for a couple of days.

Sorry but why did she change her sig pic a few hours earlier for me but wouldn't for the Mod? Was it they way in which the request was made? Legitimate question Moderator.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Stew_Matthews

Sorry but why did she change her sig pic a few hours earlier for me but wouldn't for the Mod? Was it they way in which the request was made? Legitimate question Moderator.

I suppose you'd have to ask Carrie that.
Of course, it should be said that she did change her pic... but she changed it to one that illustrated what she thinks of the moderator in question.

[Stew_Matthews]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I suppose you'd have to ask Carrie that.
Of course, it should be said that she did change her pic... but she changed it to one that illustrated what she thinks of the moderator in question.

The question I asked was about how the request was made. I said to Carrie that I was 'sad' with her pic and she changed it immediately. How did you ask? I don't believe she changed it to a horse because that's what she thought of either you, Chris or Ryan. Is that what you're saying?

[Nixxxed]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Well, I suppose we could have asked them to remove their sig pics... but since this all started because someone was asked to change their sig pic, would that request be honored or would we have just had to deal with a new set of snarky sig pics?

No one's an innocent victim here. Everyone who had that pic in their signature knew why it was there and for whom it was meant. Sure, they were having "fun," but it wasn't innocent fun.

The last time this happened (Nazigate of 2005 or so...), you just turned off the signatures of the people in question. What's different this time?

This will probably be the grumpiest thing I've ever said here, but I have a lot of **** going on in my life right now... my mother's health problems, my grandmother is now in the hospital, stress at work... and right now all I want to do is have a fun few days with my boyfriend while he's here from California. But, no, I have to waste my time playing mediator because ADULTS can't refrain from acting like little babies.

I don't wish ill on anyone, but may all your problems be as small and petty as not being able to post on a message board for a couple of days.

I'm sorry your personal life is making you grumpy. However, you can stop being a moderator at any time. It's an awful, thankless job that you don't even get paid for. Who needs that kind of headache on top of serious real-world problems?

[sparky]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

I saw the message and yes it was VERY respectful and in no way deserved the snarky backlash. I think people's perceptions are being colored by things in the past.

Also, there is fun and funny and then there is having fun by deliberately trying to piss people off. That's not fun for everyone is it?

Actually, I saw it too and it wasn't exactly pleasant, Suze. You can say please and thank you and still take a tone. I like the people involved, but it seems silly more than anything else. Silly. What is offensive and disgusting about horse teeth? It wasn't genitals or a necropsy photo. Sure its goofy to make the statement, via sig pic, "What is worse, looking at the horse's ass or his dirty teeth?" Nonetheless, I perceive it is silliness, not snarkiness, not "disrespect" and not hostile. The whole thing is funny. The initial situation is ridiculous. The secondary situation was funny and even more ridiculous.

The energy has really taken a turn here. Obviously, people do behave like kids on a playground at times - in their actions and reactions. There have been little tempests in this teapot since I joined. But very little in the way of outright hostility or significant aggression. There are spats, but not conspiracies and full scale wars. Its all burr in the saddle kind of stuff, with very rare exceptions.

Regardless, it seems to me like there is a high level of disgust and contempt towards some posters from some mods. I am glad people volunteer to moderate. I am certain it is thankless. I could never make the distinction between my personal feelings and the rules. Such a skill is obviously required to do it well. Maybe people are just getting burned out on it.

Nevertheless, if someone starts wanting to kill the 6 year olds, time to quit the teaching job.