An Official Fleetwood Mac Album Debate

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I don't know, Gerald... as much as I love his music, sometimes it just seems to me that it's not really a matter of him HAVING to push limits in Fleetwood Mac, but that he's instead just being contrary. Like he makes it much more difficult than it ever needs to be. 'Destiny Rules' really opened my eyes to that.

And I think I've discussed Lindsey's art plenty of times around here... what I love, what I don't like (which I usually get chastized for), and so on. But perhaps I haven't done that enough in the eyes of some, and that's why my other comments are met with suspicion.

Guess I just figured the fact that I've been a fan for over 20 years, that I named myself after one of Lindsey's songs, and that I have every recording he's ever released (and then some) was proof enough that I'm a "true fan."

You definately are dude, The only time I really questioned that I excused for it. And I understand what you're saying about that suspicion. I suffer from that myself. But you also understand where that suspicion comes from, dont you? It is remarkable that you like Lindsey's most MOR-songs more than his edgy ones. Although I have always wondered why you chose this name, because it doesn't match with the image I have of your LB-taste. On the other hand, my name comes from his most commercial song ever.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

You definately are dude, The only time I really questioned that I excused for it. And I understand what you're saying about that suspicion. I suffer from that myself. But you also understand where that suspicion comes from, dont you? It is remarkable that you like Lindsey's most MOR-songs more than his edgy ones. Although I have always wondered why you chose this name, because it doesn't match with the image I have of your LB-taste. On the other hand, my name comes from his most commercial song ever.

I think there's definitely a misconception about my preferences regarding Lindsey's songs, so here's my top ten....

Murrow Turning Over In His Grave
Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind
Bleed To Love Her
The Ledge
D.W. Suite
That's All For Everyone
Turn It On
I Know I'm Not Wrong
Under The Skin
Miranda

And I had to leave off so many more.
I'll grant you that some of my faves are MOR, but overall I lean more towards Lindsey's quirkier, uptempo songs. I'm just not a fan of three of the "bigger" songs most LB fans point to most often -- "Save Me A Place," "Shut Us Down," and "Not Too Late."
Ironic that they seem to be the favored tracks, since they're all slower songs!

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by Madness Fades

It is in my opinion that No FM album come quite close to that of "Tusk"
It is possibly their greatest work. I dont think they have ever or will ever create an album to rival it.

I am interested to hear someone say fleetwood mac have a better album than Tusk.

Interesting how you posted this in the Lindsey forum, not the Rumours one (forum that could be the most popular FM forum).

I think Tusk is the best LINDSEY work, not necessarily the best Fleetwood Mac work. Actually in my opinion Tusk was too Lindsey.

IMHO, my favorite is Rumours. You could say I'm too pop, too commercial, but I adore that album. And all the members made better contributions to the album.

[SortaSavageLike]

Originally Posted by Villavic

IMHO, my favorite is Rumours. You could say I'm too pop, too commercial, but I adore that album. And all the members made better contributions to the album.

I like Stevie's Tusk songs better than her Rumours ones. At least, she wasn't fighting a head cold on any of them. And I don't hear any of Lindsey's Tusk songs played on the radio or in grocery stores every day. Or Christine's for that matter.

[goldustsongbird]

Originally Posted by SortaSavageLike

Or Christine's for that matter.

And yet they should be. What, you wouldn't want to listen to Think About Me while groping oranges in the fruit aisle?

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I think there's definitely a misconception about my preferences regarding Lindsey's songs, so here's my top ten....

Murrow Turning Over In His Grave
Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind
Bleed To Love Her
The Ledge
D.W. Suite
That's All For Everyone
Turn It On
I Know I'm Not Wrong
Under The Skin
Miranda

And I had to leave off so many more.
I'll grant you that some of my faves are MOR, but overall I lean more towards Lindsey's quirkier, uptempo songs. I'm just not a fan of three of the "bigger" songs most LB fans point to most often -- "Save Me A Place," "Shut Us Down," and "Not Too Late."
Ironic that they seem to be the favored tracks, since they're all slower songs!

Well, Shut Us Down is -clearly- one of my fave tracks ever. But Not Too Late is not amongst them, although I love it. I just defended Lindsey's choice to choose it as a flagship. Weird how this board can work on the perception people have of you?

But then again, today, my top ten would be:

Shut Us Down
I Know I'm Not Wrong
I'm So Afraid
Johnny Stew
Play In The Rain
Not That Funny
What Makes You Think You're The One
Loving Cup
Shuffle Riff
Save Me A Place

ok, tomorrow it could be diff.

But still....quite another list.....

[trackaghost]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I think there's definitely a misconception about my preferences regarding Lindsey's songs, so here's my top ten....

Murrow Turning Over In His Grave
Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind
Bleed To Love Her
The Ledge
D.W. Suite
That's All For Everyone
Turn It On
I Know I'm Not Wrong
Under The Skin
Miranda

And I had to leave off so many more.
I'll grant you that some of my faves are MOR, but overall I lean more towards Lindsey's quirkier, uptempo songs. I'm just not a fan of three of the "bigger" songs most LB fans point to most often -- "Save Me A Place," "Shut Us Down," and "Not Too Late."
Ironic that they seem to be the favored tracks, since they're all slower songs!

Wow, I'm impressed that The Ledge is in there. That's one of my faves too.
Shut Us Down would top my list these days though.

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

Don't you remember the Dance? Blocked it out huh?

"Hits" albums always sell well, which is basically what The Dance was/is. Didn't hear any of the "new" songs get radio airplay. If it weren't for their archaeological work in dredging up a long-forgotten Rumours outtake, I doubt the album would've sold that well. As is, the whole thing was fueled by good marketing. If they'd just released the album without the MTV video, would've gone into rigor-mortis by week three.

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by chiliD

"Hits" albums always sell well, which is basically what The Dance was/is. Didn't hear any of the "new" songs get radio airplay. If it weren't for their archaeological work in dredging up a long-forgotten Rumours outtake, I doubt the album would've sold that well. As is, the whole thing was fueled by good marketing. If they'd just released the album without the MTV video, would've gone into rigor-mortis by week three.

'

Whatever. It sold 4 million copies. You can give me all the backgroundstories you want, but I'd say it was a commercial blockbuster.

Tango was a commercial monster too. Not in the least due to it's first single. Although Christine's songs made THAT a blockbuster and commercially valid album too.

[danax6]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

Tango was a commercial monster too. Not in the least due to it's first single. Although Christine's songs made THAT a blockbuster and commercially valid album too.

Not just 'too', I'd say first and foremost. 'Everywhere' and 'Little Lies' are two of the best known FM songs, not to mention the most played on commercial radio, together with 'Go Your Own Way'. At least here.

[danax6]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

Don't you remember the Dance? Blocked it out huh?

The Dance was done ONLY for commercial purposes. Not an ounce of creativity or artsy fartsy intentions were poured into the Dance. It was created to sell as many copies as possible and make the members as much money as possible.

Still, it was a great endeavor though, you'll never hear me knocking down The Dance.

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

well, the first two Masters of Reality-album ranked high for me too, as did a Buffalo Tom and Screaming Trees-album, but still, Tusk survived all new musical discoveries I did in the last three decades. It still is a remarkable piece of art. And I fully underline the fact that it's been tagged lately as a indie-rock-album avant-la-lettre.

how did I know Gerald would mention Mr.Goss/Masters of Reality?

[Madness Fades]

Yeah i think this debarkle is going the way i want, because this was obviously intended for only albums that Lindsey was part of. Albums like "Time" and "Behind the Mask" Dont even come close to being good Fleetwood Mac Albums and thank god lindsey wasn't a part of them.

[Sarah]

Originally Posted by TheWILDheart

I think that Tusk is only worth it for the following songs:

Sara
Angel
Sisters of The Moon
Beautiful Child
Tusk
Never Forget
Think About Me
The Ledge
That's Enough For Me

If you're going to get shot for that, then I'm going to the firing squad for this. I skip Stevie's Tusk songs (except sometimes SOTM or Angel).. and Chris's Tusk songs (except sometimes Brown Eyes, Honey Hi, & Never Forget).

The Ledge
Save Me A Place
What Makes You Think You're The One
That's All For Everyone
Not That Funny
That's Enough For Me
I Know I'm Not Wrong
Walk A Thin Line
Tusk

I wish Lindsey would do a remix of Tusk with just his songs.. re-order them however he feels, etc. And honestly, I gotta say.. I have no idea what people's love affair is with Sara (wokka wokka). When I was like 12, I had a few ~windchild~ type moments where I thought it was pretty good, but now.. it's close to being the most repetitive, grating, and boring p.o.s. song I've ever heard. If I could make 2 FM songs disappear forever from the entire FM catalogue, I'd choose Sara & Silver Girl. No question about it. puke.

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by Madness Fades

Yeah i think this debarkle is going the way i want, because this was obviously intended for only albums that Lindsey was part of. Albums like "Time" and "Behind the Mask" Dont even come close to being good Fleetwood Mac Albums and thank god lindsey wasn't a part of them.

That's where you're wrong. They're just as good as ANY Fleetwood Mac album. Yes, thank God, Lindsey wasn't a part of them...they wouldn't have been as good as they were if his whiny ass was at the sessions full-time. (If you read the liner notes carefully, you'll see that Lindsey is on one song on each album)