Tracklisting and info for the Reflections DVD

[DeadliestPoison]

Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000

This is one of the reasons why I don't post here anymore. blahblah

tl;dr

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by DeadliestPoison

tl;dr

ilu

[StreetAngel86]

ooooooooh lordy

Rooms on Fire on DVD
that alone is worth me buying this

thanks for the update this is AWESOME

[FrozenLove7]

Yes, it is quite exciting!

[HejiraNYC]

Originally Posted by jwd

Has any other artist released a best of with so many other added amenities? Videos, voice overs, artwork, new pictures, interviews, and the like? I think this is turning out to one special package from Stevie here!

Didn't The Very Best of Sheryl Crow get issued as a deluxe CD/DVD package? I don't think her DVD was as blinged out as Stevie's, but at least Sheryl included several new songs on her collection. Stevie could put the entire Bella Donna masters on Crystal Visions for all I care. Nothing compares to getting some new songs.

[JazmenFlowers]

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

Nothing compares to getting some new songs.

what popped in my head last night is that maybe she or her manager or someone is considering the "live" tracks to be "new" tracks. maybe not, but it's just a thought.

[Nixxxed]

Originally Posted by DeadliestPoison

tl;dr

Brilliant!

[HejiraNYC]

Originally Posted by DeadliestPoison

Uh oh... I smell a cease and desist order from the legal team at SWO Headquarters!

[StreetAngel86]

Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

what popped in my head last night is that maybe she or her manager or someone is considering the "live" tracks to be "new" tracks. maybe not, but it's just a thought.

Jason, u know stevie has an "altered" state of reality
cut her some slack

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000

This is one of the reasons why I don't post here anymore.

Really? I thought it was because you know that you stole the ENTIRE Stevie BLA from the Penguin site. I

It is also my understanding that you stole your discography from the Nicksfix and another SN site.

Thousands of hours went into the original trasncription of those articles, before there were scanners and using the old Penguin software that required that each entry be formatted. When new software was purchased for the BLA, the moderators spent hundreds of hours transferring everything over. There are also quite a few audio interviews that were transcribed by Ledgies for the BLA, it was all stolen with the swipe of a mouse by you.

No other site in the community built their site off the back of the Penguin the way you did. Every fan site owner I have known over the years took tremendous personal pride in building their site from the ground up and spent hundreds of hours entering information that they could have easily just taken from the Penguin. The only site I ever knew that stole their information from the Penguin was the official FM site when Jonathan Todd lifted the discography, including all the album covers that Marty scanned himself.

Over the last few months, many news items about Lindsey's tour have been posted on Seven Wonders and never a peep from you asking for proper credit. One of his members even took fan reviews from the Lindsey Ledge and posted them on Seven Wonders - without crediting the people who wrote them or the Ledge - they just said "another site."

This message has been paraphrased from a number of private messages sent to me by members of The Ledge. For obvious reasons, I won't use their names.

Also, I myself noticed and even commented to you on this board that your FAQ's/rules looked hauntingly familiar to those of The Ledge.

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Really? I thought it was because you know that you stole the ENTIRE Stevie BLA from the Penguin site. I

It is also my understanding that you stole your discography from the Nicksfix and another SN site.

Thousands of hours went into the original trasncription of those articles, before there were scanners and using the old Penguin software that required that each entry be formatted. When new software was purchased for the BLA, the moderators spent hundreds of hours transferring everything over. There are also quite a few audio interviews that were transcribed by Ledgies for the BLA, it was all stolen with the swipe of a mouse by you.

No other site in the community built their site off the back of the Penguin the way you did. Every fan site owner I have known over the years took tremendous personal pride in building their site from the ground up and spent hundreds of hours entering information that they could have easily just taken from the Penguin. The only site I ever knew that stole their information from the Penguin was the official FM site when Jonathan Todd lifted the discography, including all the album covers that Marty scanned himself.

Over the last few months, many news items about Lindsey's tour have been posted on Seven Wonders and never a peep from you asking for proper credit. One of his members even took fan reviews from the Lindsey Ledge and posted them on Seven Wonders - without crediting the people who wrote them or the Ledge - they just said "another site."

This message has been paraphrased from a number of private messages sent to me by members of The Ledge. For obvious reasons, I won't use their names.

Also, I myself noticed and even commented to you on this board that your FAQ's/rules looked hauntingly familiar to those of The Ledge.

wooo hoooo! owned!

[StreetAngel86]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Really? I thought it was because you know that you stole the ENTIRE Stevie BLA from the Penguin site. I

It is also my understanding that you stole your discography from the Nicksfix and another SN site.

Thousands of hours went into the original trasncription of those articles, before there were scanners and using the old Penguin software that required that each entry be formatted. When new software was purchased for the BLA, the moderators spent hundreds of hours transferring everything over. There are also quite a few audio interviews that were transcribed by Ledgies for the BLA, it was all stolen with the swipe of a mouse by you.

No other site in the community built their site off the back of the Penguin the way you did. Every fan site owner I have known over the years took tremendous personal pride in building their site from the ground up and spent hundreds of hours entering information that they could have easily just taken from the Penguin. The only site I ever knew that stole their information from the Penguin was the official FM site when Jonathan Todd lifted the discography, including all the album covers that Marty scanned himself.

Over the last few months, many news items about Lindsey's tour have been posted on Seven Wonders and never a peep from you asking for proper credit. One of his members even took fan reviews from the Lindsey Ledge and posted them on Seven Wonders - without crediting the people who wrote them or the Ledge - they just said "another site."

This message has been paraphrased from a number of private messages sent to me by members of The Ledge. For obvious reasons, I won't use their names.

Also, I myself noticed and even commented to you on this board that your FAQ's/rules looked hauntingly familiar to those of The Ledge.

BURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRN!

u rock if only for the respect you show for other board members

[LiquidBlue5000]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Really? I thought it was because you know that you stole the ENTIRE Stevie BLA from the Penguin site. I

It is also my understanding that you stole your discography from the Nicksfix and another SN site.

Thousands of hours went into the original trasncription of those articles, before there were scanners and using the old Penguin software that required that each entry be formatted. When new software was purchased for the BLA, the moderators spent hundreds of hours transferring everything over. There are also quite a few audio interviews that were transcribed by Ledgies for the BLA, it was all stolen with the swipe of a mouse by you.

No other site in the community built their site off the back of the Penguin the way you did. Every fan site owner I have known over the years took tremendous personal pride in building their site from the ground up and spent hundreds of hours entering information that they could have easily just taken from the Penguin. The only site I ever knew that stole their information from the Penguin was the official FM site when Jonathan Todd lifted the discography, including all the album covers that Marty scanned himself.

This conversation between you and I ended 3 days ago, but I guess you figured you would try to capitalize on the "let's bash Brian" bandwagon, eh? I expected more from you quite honestly, especially since you're a moderator here.

You have the audacity to accuse me of stealing information, when you have absolutely zero proof whatsoever of any of this. I realize these are desperate times, but my goodness, talk about tacky. All the information listed that was borrowed from other sites was credited. All you have to do is read the fine print and you will see for yourself.

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Over the last few months, many news items about Lindsey's tour have been posted on Seven Wonders and never a peep from you asking for proper credit. One of his members even took fan reviews from the Lindsey Ledge and posted them on Seven Wonders - without crediting the people who wrote them or the Ledge - they just said "another site."

Are you for real? Do you honestly think these articles are exclusive to The Ledge? Excuse me honey, but these articles are public information that are easily obtained through Google alerts. If you didn't know that, then consider yourself informed. Anyone can subscribe to receive email alerts on Stevie, Fleetwood Mac, and yes, even Lindsey Buckingham. Ask Livia, she'll tell you. I have never and would never steal a single thing from this board. There is absolutely no reason to. You go ahead and you check dates as to when articles were posted on Seven Wonders vs. when they were posted on The Ledge. 50% of the time they were posted here first, 50% of the time they were posted there first. It's simply a matter of when certain people get to their computers and check their email alerts.

Let me also point out to you that Seven Wonders had the track listing for Stevie's upcoming CD first. Seven Wonders had the updated information when the title was changed first. Not to mention numerous other recent "firsts" when it comes to posting articles, news, etc. I should know, since I have personally posted quite a few of them. Trust me, I hardly ever even read this board anymore, let alone would bother to steal your precious information. We have our own sources at Seven Wonders. Thanks.

It is incredibly tacky for you to accuse me or the members of my board of stealing information, especially since, as I pointed out, we have posted the information first on numerous occasions, before The Ledge.

You are a moderator. A representative of this board. For you to show such disrespect to another board that shares similar interests looks very bad on you. Not me. I have done nothing wrong here. I have always carried myself with respect and have never ever stooped so low as you just did. I have never said a single negative word about this board, its members, its moderators, or how its run. It's tacky and it's low and anyone that would stoop so low should be ashamed of themselves.

I bowed out of this conversation several days ago because it is pointless to argue over such a trivial issue. I wanted to get my comments out there and basically just say my piece. I did that. I thought the conversation had ended. Hell, I even let you have the last word. Yet for some unknown reason, you decided to re-quote me, only to continue a debate that ended several days ago. Why would you do that?

You claim to be my "biggest defender". Well, dear, if you're my biggest defender, then I would hate to hear what my "biggest offender" would have to say. Furthermore, why would I need defending? What have I ever done to cause such hate amongst you people?

Honestly, I really don't care. I run a very successful Fleetwood Mac/Stevie Nicks community - dare I say, one of the the most active, if not THE most.

I suppose there's a little bit of animosity over that. Understood. But really, show some class. There are alot of silent witnesses who read this board who don't agree with this kind of behavior. You're a moderator - set an example for Christ's sake.



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In regards to the accusations of "stealing", it's quite a double standard you have there. What you're implying is that it's ok for certain members of The Ledge to take private information that was given to the members of Seven Wonders (such as the track listing for the upcoming CD) and post it here without giving credit, but it's not ok to include public information like old news articles on another site that might have been obtained from The Penguin.

So why is it ok to take information from one site (Seven Wonders) and post it on The Ledge without giving credit, yet it's not ok to list articles on another site that also happened to be listed on The Penguin? (news articles are considered public information, so no single fan site can claim ownership of them).

Several people on here including yourself have commented that all of this information (news, articles, etc) should be easily accessible to the fans and where it comes from and who takes credit for it shouldn't really matter. Yet in the same breath you have the nerve to accuse me of "stealing" public information that all fans should have access to. Right.

[GODDESS6]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Really? I thought it was because you know that you stole the ENTIRE Stevie BLA from the Penguin site. I

It is also my understanding that you stole your discography from the Nicksfix and another SN site.

Thousands of hours went into the original trasncription of those articles, before there were scanners and using the old Penguin software that required that each entry be formatted. When new software was purchased for the BLA, the moderators spent hundreds of hours transferring everything over. There are also quite a few audio interviews that were transcribed by Ledgies for the BLA, it was all stolen with the swipe of a mouse by you.

No other site in the community built their site off the back of the Penguin the way you did. Every fan site owner I have known over the years took tremendous personal pride in building their site from the ground up and spent hundreds of hours entering information that they could have easily just taken from the Penguin. The only site I ever knew that stole their information from the Penguin was the official FM site when Jonathan Todd lifted the discography, including all the album covers that Marty scanned himself.

Over the last few months, many news items about Lindsey's tour have been posted on Seven Wonders and never a peep from you asking for proper credit. One of his members even took fan reviews from the Lindsey Ledge and posted them on Seven Wonders - without crediting the people who wrote them or the Ledge - they just said "another site."

This message has been paraphrased from a number of private messages sent to me by members of The Ledge. For obvious reasons, I won't use their names.

Also, I myself noticed and even commented to you on this board that your FAQ's/rules looked hauntingly familiar to those of The Ledge.

damn i love you for this & pointing it all out, way to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!~

[Johnny Stew]

I'm not sure when and where all of this animosity sprung up between certain members of The Ledge and Seven Wonders, but it needs to stop.
We're not "rival factions." We should be able to co-exist with little to no problems whatsoever. I certainly hope no one is "threatened" by Seven Wonders. There's no need to be. The Ledge hasn't been "the only game in town" for years -- there have been several message boards (BuckinghamNicks.net, FleetwoodMac-UK, FMLegacy) that have existed right alongside ours, and none of that has ever negatively affected the relevancy of The Ledge.

I haven't checked out the main site for Seven Wonders, but if past magazine and newspaper articles were borrowed from The Penguin, hopefully credit is given to those who transcribed them all those many years ago and contributed them to The Penguin. A large number of them were typed out by hand, at a time when the majority of PC users didn't own a scanner.
There's nothing wrong with archiving them on another site, but they should be credited.

As far as I can tell, there's never really been "netiquette" when it comes to crediting people who share rumours and unsubstantiated information. I have read posts that start out with "I heard/read this on another site," on every single message board I've ever visited -- and I'm talking non-Mac boards here.

I'm not saying that makes it right, but I guess saying that gypsyboi77879707xx heard from his sister's boyfriend's cousin who works for Warner Bros.... yadda-yadda-yadda... doesn't really lend any more credence to a bit of unofficial info than simply saying "I heard this somewhere."

However, if people are saying "I read this on another site," only because of some rivalry, then that's just silly and petty.

There's nothing wrong with saying where you heard something, but we do ask that you not link to threads, etc., posted on other message boards.

If there are people here (and obviously there are) who don't care for the Seven Wonders board and/or the people who post there, so be it -- but keep it to yourself. Catty jokes about other fans... many of whom also post on and/or visit The Ledge... are best kept to private conversations.
Marty, myself, and the rest of the moderators do not want a repeat of the two skirmishes that happened several years ago, between posters here and posters on the message boards at Burnish.net and FleetwoodMac.com.

This isn't high school, so let's not act like it is.

Thank you.