Reflections.... the best of Stevie Nicks

[catinthedark]

Originally Posted by Nixxxed

- Will there be a video for any of the "new" tracks, maybe one of the Melbourne ones? I'm thinking EO17.
- Letterman, Leno, Kimmel, Ferguson?
- SNL? (probably no way in hell, but...)
- GMA, Today, FOX Morning?
- Interviews (print and web video)?
- VH1, VH1-Classic specials? They've been playing the crap out of the Rumours documentary this month.
- Are there any May Sweeps music specials or awards shows she might appear on?- And the most important: more "Ask Stevie?" answers?

hate to be a negative nancy... but... stevie nicks is not who the networks would be putting on for may sweeps.

if she does the late night circuit, i'd expect she'd be doing the b-list kimmel and ferguson. ellen (ugh).

i say this not because i don't love and adore her, but she's not a-list anymore. not even close. and that's OKAY. who wants her in the same league as the christinas and britneys and nellies?

[sparky]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Everything was put into perspective for me when I read some of those old concert reviews from the late '70s and that interview with Richard Dashut from 1979/80, where he discussed critics' complaints that Stevie was "sleepwalking" through her performances and "seemed bored" with songs like "Dreams."

It's not at all a new complaint, and very likely a matter of taste and perception.

I'm not a critic from a late 70's music rag. I've been seeing her for 30 years, well over 30 different times. She sleepwalks through half the songs these days. I've seen inspired performances of even the warhorse tunes. Years ago, but I have.

The fact is, she's been a notoriously inconsistent performer throughout her entire career. She's always had sleepwalking moments. In the old days it was usually due to substances. On the Tusk tour, I thought she was going to fall asleep. And I was 13. I've also seen her entirely on fire and completely committed every moment onstage. But not at all recently. I know the difference between an inspired performance and a phoned in lounge act walk thorugh.

What gave me my perspective is years of seeing her in person. Through nearly every tour, in cites all over the world. Call my opinion, or opinions like mine what you will, but I was there. I'm not prone to hallucination.

[Nixxxed]

Originally Posted by catinthedark

hate to be a negative nancy...

Would Contrary Cat work better for you?



I agree on some level. But it's really all a guessing and wishing game at this point. There has only been an official announcement that something is coming. For all we know, that British mag is using this message board (or one of the others) as its source while trying to be the first to report it.

And if she went the Oprah route, I'm sure Oprah would try to get some dirt and sell and frame it as "Stevie Nicks, rock-n-roll survivor, opens up about her past.." Oprah's audience loves those kind of stories, the more lurid and detailed the better, no matter what tier celebrity is concerned.

I don't see a reason why she can't do ALL the shows I listed. Hmmm... and now that I think about it, there IS a Presidential election coming up next year...

[Phil]

Hi to BombaySapphire3 and Nixxed plus all the others on The Ledge who have extended their kindness my way.
I have to say that despite my extensive wishlist for what could have been included on the upcoming cd/dvd, I am actually pleased with what we'll be getting. I honestly didn't ever think Stevie would issue a dvd collection of promo videos so despite the imperfect tracklisting, I view it as a bonus.
That said, I understand the disappointment expressed in earlier postings and acknowledge everyone's point of view. Embarrassingly enough, I am one of those sad individuals who would buy anything Stevie released, even the cracks in her pavement, so I'll definitely be snavelling this release up.
I still think it would have taken next to no effort to include the unreleased promos for Stand Back, Unconditional Love and Reconsider Me as they are just languishing away in some vault (fully completed) but I guess it just wasn't meant to be.
My biggest gripe concerning the cd is that Rock 'n' Roll has been included at the expense of Circle Dance, a song that I had always adored by Bonnie Raitt and love even more by our Stevie. Regardless of whether you like this song or not, there is no denying that Stevie's performances of it were always committed and heartfelt (on every bootleg recording I heard). I consider this a wasted opportunity, unless...
Maybe the projected live album for later in the year will include this and some other tracks from the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra concert? I long for these versions of Beautiful Child, Beauty And The Beast and Rhiannon so won't give up hope just yet.
I also concur with JohnnyStew that the inclusion of two versions of Edge Of Seventeen is a mistake. Given the running time of the live version, that's another two tracks we have missed out on.

[RockALittle250]

Originally Posted by Nixxxed

Would Contrary Cat work better for you?



I agree on some level. But it's really all a guessing and wishing game at this point. There has only been an official announcement that something is coming. For all we know, that British mag is using this message board (or one of the others) as its source while trying to be the first to report it.

And if she went the Oprah route, I'm sure Oprah would try to get some dirt and sell and frame it as "Stevie Nicks, rock-n-roll survivor, opens up about her past.." Oprah's audience loves those kind of stories, the more lurid and detailed the better, no matter what tier celebrity is concerned.

I don't see a reason why she can't do ALL the shows I listed. Hmmm... and now that I think about it, there IS a Presidential election coming up next year...

I totally agree with you! That magazine is the only one to report that tracklisting so far, and no other publication or site has reported/confirmed this info. Also, the person and website that reported this tracklisting are not from the US, so maybe the US release may slightly differenciate from the international release. But so far, the Nicksfix, her label, and Amazon (among other reliable sources) have not yet confirmed any of this info.

[JazmenFlowers]

Originally Posted by Phil

Beauty And The Beast

ho****! it just dawned on me that BATB is not on this tracklist. imo, it's the most amazing thing Stevie's pulled out of the trunks in years! and I know she knows how amazing it is these past couple of years. damnit.

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

ho****! it just dawned on me that BATB is not on this tracklist. imo, it's the most amazing thing Stevie's pulled out of the trunks in years! and I know she knows how amazing it is these past couple of years. damnit.

oh my GOD your sig!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jaz, i love you!!!!!!

[JazmenFlowers]

Originally Posted by carrie721

oh my GOD your sig!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jaz, i love you!!!!!!

I'm fond of you as well my dear.

I couldn't resist.

for the record, I'm still the biggest bitch to those who dare trample on La Nicks...her setlists, her tracklists or her wardrobe.

[Nixxxed]

Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

I'm fond of you as well my dear.

I couldn't resist.

for the record, I'm still the biggest bitch to those who dare trample on La Nicks...her setlists, her tracklists or her wardrobe.

That's hilarious.

But now I'm curious. How do we know about this "contractually obligated" thing anyway? I know it's repeated often, but when does the info come from? It's certainly not publicized info...

[JazmenFlowers]

Originally Posted by Nixxxed

That's hilarious.

But now I'm curious. How do we know about this "contractually obligated" thing anyway? I know it's repeated often, but when does the info come from? It's certainly not publicized info...

I don't know. or have anything official.

it just kinda fit...so I ran with it.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by sparky

What gave me my perspective is years of seeing her in person. Through nearly every tour, in cites all over the world. Call my opinion, or opinions like mine what you will, but I was there. I'm not prone to hallucination.

Never thought you were.

It just fascinates me that the live performances most fans hold up today as the benchmark of Stevie's career ('The Wild Heart' tour, for example) are also many of the ones that were reviewed the harshest at the time. We say she was "on fire" and "committed" and "passionate," while the critics said she was "erratic," "inconsistent" and that her voice was shot.

Meanwhile, I rarely ever read a negative review of her current concerts. They'll make comments like "Nicks has gracefully adapted the songs to suit her lower register," or "Her range isn't what it used to be, but the lower octaves carried her well through a two-hour show."
And, about "Rhiannon"... you know, that "old grey mare that ain't what she used to be ( )... the LA Daily News said, "Nicks performed her classic 'Rhiannon' flawlessly, with an understated instrumental accompaniment that accentuated her voice -- a more confident voice that has acquired a sense of urgency without sacrificing her familiar plaintive plea."

It's an intriguing dichotomy. To me, at least.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Everything was put into perspective for me when I read some of those old concert reviews from the late '70s and that interview with Richard Dashut from 1979/80, where he discussed critics' complaints that Stevie was "sleepwalking" through her performances and "seemed bored" with songs like "Dreams."

It's not at all a new complaint, and very likely a matter of taste and perception.

I think the band had some really good pot and some good coke on the Tusk tour and that is what contributed to those performances being that way. If you've ever hoovered up a giant rail and then went out in front of 20000 people you'd probably be the same way. ( I don't mean you specifically but in the general sense.) I know back in my heydey, depending on the coke, it was sometimes hard for me to be in a room with five people. And then there were the nights when we'd do it at work and have to be in a room with a couple of hundred people or worse a couple of thousand. Depending on how high the crowd was, sometimes it didn't matter. But there were times when you knew people were looking at you thinking "This bitch is high." And you'd just try to maintain. I think that is sometimes what we saw in Stevie's performances. The Japan '77 shows come to mind.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Nixxxed

- Letterman, Leno, Kimmel, Ferguson?
- Interviews (print and web video)?

I am anxious to hear some new interviews with her. I hope she talks about being on the road with Petty.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Nixxxed

Or better yet, on Ellen:

an entire audience of Californians & tourists (and Ellen!) twirling to Stevie's music... Oh the joy I would have watching that over and over and over.

That's it - I'm sending Ellen an email right now.

Ellen would be a great venue for her. I think I will second your email.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

I'm fond of you as well my dear.

I couldn't resist.

for the record, I'm still the biggest bitch to those who dare trample on La Nicks...her setlists, her tracklists or her wardrobe.

And we love you for it.