We Are So Lucky - Page 2

WhiteWingedOne · #16 08-17-2002, 11:20 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by EnchantedStorms
[B]But--"she stares at the stairs, there's so many things to stare at these days"....Is one of my favorite lines of Stevie's. Ever been so down...so let down...by life, that you just don't have the energy for anything ?

let down by life? Nope! Sorry to disappoint you! you get up, and move on. self pity sucks and it bores people too. which may be another reason why some of her songs are really bad.

"You obviously don't "get" Stevie. That's fine."

no, I get her. I just don't LIKE HER 24/7 and I DON'T HAVE TO and I think she writes some real LAME-O stuff just to gett attention. That is my opinion. Don't like my opinion no one is making you read them right?

" Just don't bash the people who do. "

uh welll hellloooooo

....I havent bashed ANYONE. matter of fact I said in my post whatever turns you on! So Scroll on up and read that. I am just HONEST about my liking or not liking stevie nicks. I refuse to be shot at with canons. what a huge shock that I defend MY positiion!

If anything, you are bashing people who opinions are different than yours and that is really against Freedom of Speech. Some of you get so militant about her it's AUTOMATIC "bashing" if anyone disagrees with you and the worship stuff.

Get over it already.

"As for Christine's quote...it makes me laugh, but then, I don't think she "gets" Stevie's message 3/4 of the time, either."

Oh Good. Someone on my side, and it's someone who IS a briliant songwriter and who IS someone who knows her.

"I suppose we all just get tired of feeling like we have to explain ourselves, and defend her, all the time."

well just Who is "we." Is the Ledge for Stevie FANS ONLY?

This is a message board where people can express their opinions FOR or AGAINST Stevie. Keep saying "Public Messsage board....public message board....public message board" until that sinks in.

"Oh, and doesn't Stevie usually use a typewriter when she writes?"

Only when she's out of crayons.

Janet · #17 08-17-2002, 12:04 PM

Ummmm

I wasn't trying to say she's better than any other Fleetwood Maccer...they are all great.

Im just saying, Stevie RIGHT NOW...at 54...shes pretty amazing. She's been through **** and she remained on top of it all. Thats all I was saying. It wasn't a door to analyze lyrics or to say if YOU don't have her in your life you're pathetic. It was just like...Stevie is cool and everyone should at least give her a chance.

WhiteWingedOne · #18 08-17-2002, 12:10 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Janet

" She's been through **** and she remained on top of it all. "

ok that's interesting to say that. But I would say that sentence needs some work. How about "she put HERSELF through **** and finally hit rock bottom (in her case a fireplace OUCH) and then pulled herself out of the ****." that's MUCH more realistic.

She sure was never on top of it all meaning all her problems and such or she never would have turned to coke. Has she been on top of her decisions she would have been strong enough to "just say no" to the klonopin and valium, too. We all make CHOICES and she made a load of real bad ones and paid the price. again, dudes, the truth is hard to accept sometimes!

Rumours · #19 08-17-2002, 01:55 PM

Angela.......that was all very well put in all of your posts!!!!

Oh WhiteWingedOne, can I ask you something? If you can't stand Stevie Nicks so much, and all things and conversations Stevie Nicks, if it's such junk and rubbish, then why oh why do we have a user id name of "WhiteWingedOne"--obviously pulled from lyrics of her songs.........and if you can find so many better things to talk about and so much better music to listen to, why do you even bother to waste your precious time by coming here? Even though I do have my own ideas of why, I was just curious as to the reasons you would like us all to believe. Isn't there some Seseame Street message board you can go and use your immature language on and pick fights on??
Where did Stevie borrow her crayons from? You????
"Peeps", "honey lamb", "floral farts", "poops vanilla ice cream", "you can just give it up first" (no you, no you, no you--was your tongue actually sticking out while you typed this?--my friends and I used to fight like this, you know........WHEN WE WERE FIVE!!!!!), "LAME-O", "uh well hellloooooo", "dudes"...............
OH GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!!!

I mean, call me crazy, and pardon my rear if this is incorrect. But need I remind you or anyone else that normally websites and message boards such as this one are set up and maintained because somebody REALLY LIKES something or somebody and they want to discuss them/it with others who REALLY LIKE the same thing/people. Last time I CHECKED, you were "on a public message board" that was set up to discuss what is GREAT about Fleetwood Mac and all of it's members, and also to keep fans informed on things that are happening with the band, it's members, albums, tv appearances, magazine articles, etc. etc.

Marty, I guess I would like to direct this question toward you: do you not wholeheartedly enjoy and absolutely love Fleetwood Mac and all of it's various members and want to share that love with some civilized people on your message board??

Maybe I was falsely mistaken when I signed up on this board and started posting a couple years ago. Anymore, this is getting to be obsurd and out of hand!!!!

So, from where I'm standing, incesant bashing and criticizing of various members (in particular, Stevie Nicks, who takes the brunt of the beating) is bringing the majority of the folks here down, and is helping bring this message board down. It's not serving the purpose that the majority of the people who come here are looking for, myself included.

Thank you ever so much for that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stephanie

Johnny Stew · #20 08-17-2002, 02:05 PM

I don't think there was anything inherently wrong with the statement Janet made, in exactly the form she made it.

Stevie *has* been thru some difficult things. Everyone in this world has.
It's pretty much assumed that some of the difficulties we face are of our own doing, and some of them are just the cards we are dealt... so that much can be left unsaid.

I really don't think Stevie wants anyone's pity. I also don't think that she feels, or would want anyone else to feel, that she is a victim. It seems to me that she takes full responsibility for the "mistakes" she has made in her life.
For example, when she speaks of the doctor prescribing the Klonopin, she has never once said that it was force-fed to her. She's explained *why* she consented to take it, and she's talked about the state of mind she was in when it was prescribed for her, but she's never said that she wasn't fully responsible for her own decision there... or in regards to any of the other things she's gone thru in her life.

As far as the self-pity thing... well, I haven't met a person yet who hasn't felt sorry for themselves at least once in their life, however briefly.
Beyond that, none of Stevie's lyrics have ever hit me as excessively self-pitying. And trust me, if they were, then I would have bored of them a long time ago.

The basic theme that I've always found within her lyrics is one of empathy.
She's saying, "hey, I've been thru it too, and yeah, it hurts, but I got thru it and so will you."

At the very least that's what *I* get from her songs... and I think a lot of others do, as well.

Now, I almost let this point drop, but I might as well touch upon it too...
Calling Christine a "brilliant songwriter," is just as subjective as calling Stevie one. And it's a statement which can be argued with just as much ferocity.

For all intents and purposes, there is nothing deep about Christine's lyrics. She writes upbeat pop ditties about love lost and love found.
She also writes beautiful ballads... about love lost and love found.
That's the extent of it.

There are no great political or social statements being made within Christine's, Stevie's, or even Lindsey's lyrics.

What IS brilliant about Christine's music is the same thing that is brilliant about Stevie's (as well as Lindsey's)... their words reach people. They entertain, and at their best, they have the power to inspire.

We each have our favorites within this band, and whether we admit it or not, we each defend our appreciation of our particular favorite(s)... I just can't see why so few people are able to accept and respect that fact.

There's no need for someone to tear down one member, just because they like another.
"I'm right, and your wrong" arguments are pointless, because there IS no right or wrong.
Debates are terrific, and can be very interesting and engaging... but at some point all parties simply have to agree to disagree. Or... in the best of all possible worlds... open their eyes to *both* points of view

Johnny Stew

highpriestess53 · #21 08-17-2002, 02:19 PM

hooray, someone who gets it all.........

wondergirl9847 · #22 08-17-2002, 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by Johnny Stew
There are no great political or social statements being made within Christine's, Stevie's, or even Lindsey's lyrics.

I really want to be a pain in the arse today...LMAO!!

Lindsey's song, Murrow is kind of a political statement, isn't it...even tho it's not an "official" song, it's only a GOS demo, still. LMAO!! I just want to be a thorn in your side for a small time there Johnny Stew. I'm not BASHING Stevie by saying that, just wanted to make an observation that hit me when I read your post.

OMG...what am I about to do...OMG...STEVIE RULES!!!

Gypsy-Rhiannon · #23 08-17-2002, 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by WWO
well just Who is "we." Is the Ledge for Stevie FANS ONLY? This is a message board where people can express their opinions FOR or AGAINST Stevie. Keep saying "Public Messsage board....public message board....public message board" until that sinks in.

The Ledge isn't just for Stevie fans..but, hello....isn't this the Stevie forum?? Yes people can express opinions for and against but you seem to want to stuff it down our throats! In your opinion Stevie rights some lame song...like a schoolgirl with her head in the clouds??? Hmm...well she must be doing something right. Your opinion is obviously important to you but you need to chill a little and accept other points of view too....that is what it is like in the grown up world of a debate. Perhaps you should check in when you have outgrown your crayons

Pip

Johnny Stew · #24 08-17-2002, 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by wondergirl9847
Lindsey's song, Murrow is kind of a political statement, isn't it.

*giggles*
You got me on that one, Christy.

Maybe i should have said, "99.8% of the time, there are no great political or social statements being made...."

Johnny Stew

wondergirl9847 · #25 08-17-2002, 03:16 PM

...to Johnny Stew!! Aren't I the smart-aleck today?

WhiteWingedOne · #26 08-17-2002, 04:35 PM

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Originally posted by Gypsy-Rhiannon
that is what it is like in the grown up world of a debate. Perhaps you should check in when you have outgrown your crayons

Pip

You first. And to the Stevie Fan person who mentioned my screen name. To my knowledge STEVIE's lyric refers to a WHITE WINGED---> DOVE. I call myself White Winged --->ONE because I used to raise birds AND I HAPPEN TO LIKE SOME IF NOT MOST STEVIE NICKS HITS. so do me a favor and get off my freakin' back already. I will post my opnions and if you don't like me put me into your ignore list! not too hard is it Pippy Longwinded?? Yeesh!!!!

WhiteWingedOne · #27 08-17-2002, 04:51 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rumours

"Oh WhiteWingedOne, can I ask you something?"

No.

oh ok--go ahead

"If you can't stand Stevie Nicks so much, and all things and conversations Stevie Nicks, if it's such junk and rubbish, then why oh why do we have a user id name of "WhiteWingedOne"--obviously pulled from lyrics of her songs........"

hey! I NEVER said I couldn't stand Stevie Nicks. NEVER! so don't put words in my mouth. I never said her songs were junk, i said some of her crappier lyrics were "stoner junk" and the "rubbish" is what Chris McVie thinks of SN's songs!

"Isn't there some Seseame Street message board you can go and use your immature language on and pick fights on??"

Don't know. I love Sesame Street though. Especially Miss Piggie. so I will definitately check it out. thanks for the lead.

"I mean, call me crazy"

ok You're crazy.

"Last time I CHECKED, you were "on a public message board" that was set up to discuss what is GREAT about Fleetwood Mac and all of it's members"

there a lots of discussions here about what's really BAD about Fleetwood Mac and it all it's members and usualley that results in a Stevie Nicks discussion.

now you can get off my back too. I can express myself the way I want it's Freedom of Speech. Have a nice day!

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jwd · #28 08-17-2002, 05:28 PM

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Posted by ricohv: we like the mysterious, the ambiguous. And we all like to be taken away, at least for a little while. Who else can do that as well as Stevie can? No one.

I'd like to reiterate that sentiment because I wholeheartedly believe that's what Stevie does best. She makes us feel good and lets us escape from our problems. Well said and kudos to you ricohv.

And hey if someone else doesn't like it....I say who cares?!

Joe

Gypsy-Rhiannon · #29 08-17-2002, 05:45 PM

I love to attack newbies??? Um...if you say so, oh word of wisdom one.

Pippy Longwinded...try to be a little but more original next time

Pip

Janet · #30 08-17-2002, 08:24 PM

Miss Piggie on Sesame Street?? Never saw that in my childhood.

Ok, well I think people who take drugs are pretty much losers. My father died of a heroine overdose and I think he's a loser.

But to get to that point where you depend on it...it means you are just trying to cover up alot of pain. God knows I have alot of pain and its a struggle to get thru the day sometimes...I know something like drugs would make it easier for a while...but I know after awhile it would ruin my life.

Stevie didn't have it all that hard...but then it got hard She did lose her best friend in the whole world. She did have to give up babies for her career. She did go thru one bad relationship after another. She did have to juggle two careers and make everyone happy. She did have a marriage that was fake and a child that she couldn't even speak to after awhile ...even though she promised Robin shed take care of everything. She did have to go thru alot of bad press because she took a stand and did things a bit differently than everyone else.

She went through hell and she pulled herself up from the terrible world of drugs she was living in...she cured herself and started over....how many artists over 50 still have careers as strong as hers? NOT MANY.