Rosie's ching-chong comments

[skcin]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

To be clear: My hatred is reserved for the terrorists. I am very unhappy and deeply disappointed with the Moderates for not standing up and doing what they could to change things. And I am convinced there is much each individual could do, examples of which I outlined above.

Great. So why not say "my hatred against Muslim terrorists" or even "my hatred against terrorists...."

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

I missed your parenthetical text which was important. Sorry about that!

But, she does not really believe in that parenthical does she - as evidenced by the equivocal statement "I will add this however: when it is common knowledge that money is consistently being funneled to these extremists to continue to wreak their havoc I have to wonder if these so-called extremists arent actually representing the secret feelings/desires of the group as a whole." Therein and the fact that she initially referred to "all Muslims" lies the rub IMO.

[sparky]

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

Of course I agree with you that people should be judged by their actions and character only. And someday, perhaps not within our lifetimes, America will be truly colorblind. But that's not reality today, and to pretend that racial tension does not exist today is delusional.

I believe this will never happen. Things will get better, but it will always be an issue.

But, to the original issue in this thread, I have been educated. I never thought about the idea that people think it's okay to give grief to those of Asian decent. There were about 5 Asian kids in my grade school, and maybe 12 in my high school. Almost all were top of the class academically, and many were also excellent at sports and other activities. They were popular too.

Now, last year of high school, things changed. For whatever reason, there was a large group of Laotions that came outta nowhere. People didn't like them. They couldn't speak English, dressed funny, and a lot of them had terrible skin. Lots of name calling, they moved in packs, and the pinnacle was a race fight in the cafeteria. The 5 or 6 black kids inschool picked on them relentlessly, so the Laotions pretty much formed a gang for protection. One of them stabbed a black kid in the stomach at lunch one day.

So, I saw some of the race problems up close and personal. I am not sure if the whole thing happened because of their race. I think it was more of an issue of them simply being different. They could have been Aboriginal. And the unfortunate thing is, the people perceived as being on the lower rungs want to stomp on the next lowest to make themselves feel better.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

But, she does not really believe in that parenthical does she - as evidenced by the equivocal statement "I will add this however: when it is common knowledge that money is consistently being funneled to these extremists to continue to wreak their havoc I have to wonder if these so-called extremists arent actually representing the secret feelings/desires of the group as a whole." Therein and the fact that she initially referred to "all Muslims" lies the rub IMO.

I think this is what I am picking up on. I am also bullsh*t at moderate Muslims for their lack of backbone however I can see why they wouldn't stand up for fear of being blown up.

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by michelle2677

Well, there are a lot of words that offend me, but I'm not going to judge someone if they decide they want to use them. I guess it's just different here. It's used pretty frequently around here, so I guess that's why I feel that way. It's not something that I'm using..as you said-in a harmful way, so

I didn't mean to come across as so judging. I was just truly surprised. You're right, it's a geographical difference. The word is so completely unacceptable here that I don't think any white person could get away with saying it, no matter what the intentions. Not saying it's better here or that we are right, it's just different.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

It's San Francisco, I'm sure we can come up with something.

You'll be like, "What was I juss sayin'? Oh fughet it! Less juss git busy."

[michelle2677]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

I didn't mean to come across as so judging. I was just truly surprised. You're right, it's a geographical difference. The word is so completely unacceptable here that I don't think any white person could get away with saying it, no matter what the intentions. Not saying it's better here or that we are right, it's just different.

oh..ok and I didn't mean to sound bitchy if that's the way it came across.

sounds like you need to move!!!

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by michelle2677

sounds like you need to move!!!

Never.

However, San Francisco is a complete joke when it comes to racial issues. We pretend to be progressive because we would never say the n word, etc., but we are a disaster when it comes to things that really matter. For example, there is only one elected African-American male in the entire city (including board of supervisors, school board, college board, democratic central committee, etc.)

[DavidMn]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

Never.

However, San Francisco is a complete joke when it comes to racial issues. We pretend to be progressive because we would never say the n word, etc., but we are a disaster when it comes to things that really matter. For example, there is only one elected African-American male in the entire city (including board of supervisors, school board, college board, democratic central committee, etc.)

Thats interesting. Didnt know that.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

But, she does not really believe in that parenthical does she - as evidenced by the equivocal statement "I will add this however: when it is common knowledge that money is consistently being funneled to these extremists to continue to wreak their havoc I have to wonder if these so-called extremists arent actually representing the secret feelings/desires of the group as a whole." Therein and the fact that she initially referred to "all Muslims" lies the rub IMO.

and once again, you are reading into it what you choose to. Ive said who I hate and Ive said who I am disappointed in. two different groups. I asked a hypothetical question, and as such, dont see how that proves anything.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

and once again, you are reading into it what you choose to. Ive said who I hate and Ive said who I am disappointed in. two different groups. I asked a hypothetical question, and as such, dont see how that proves anything.

Apparently, I am not the only one getting mixed signals, which are furthered by you reluctance to answer a question, which by the way is most def. not a hypothetical one as it asks how you feel, not how would you feel.

On edit - I suppose we should ask her this question - "Do you dislike or distrust all Muslims?"

That hardly is hypothetical And - if you answer you do not, who really would blame you in the end because pretty much Muslims are the ones doing the killing through terroristic acts. I get that not all of them do it and that it is unfair to put the actions of relatively few on a whole group. But, the fact remains that I know of very few if any who do not get a little heightened when they see a group of Muslims getting on their plane. I hate that it is like that, but it is.

[irishgrl]

so your question now is how do I feel about Muslims?

Again, I am disappointed in the moderates for not standing up against the crap the terrorists do. They could make life very very difficult (if not impossible) for the terrorists by exposing their hideouts, refusing to send their young folks to the cause, teaching their young people that the West is not their enemy, Closing down the Madrassas, insisting on democratic government, and rights for women and on and on. Proportionally, the moderates outnumber the radicals, which is even more disappointing to me to think that such a small number can keep their cooler-headed bretheren in a constant state of fear. If their religion teaches PEACE, then they should help bring about PEACE.

so, I am in fact going by your statement:

In the end...people [should] start judging others by their actions

I may have made a generalization to begin with but I clarified for you in the hopes you would see the distinction. apparently you need to be spoon fed.

by the way, it was always my understanding that "racism" referred to a discrimination against a person's RACE. Not their RELIGION. I dont care for the Christian fundies either, so now what?

also, if you will READ my statement, I said "I have to WONDER...." so, obviously I was thinking out loud. you are smarter than that Jason arent you?

[strandinthewind]

^^^

So, that babble indicates you dislike and/or distrust most if not all Muslims because they do not do enough to stop a very small fraction of their society.

Fair enough.

I just wanted the screaming liberal to say it - that's all

Interesting, seeing as how black youth does the same thing every day and it could be argued that black moderates do not do enough to stop it a la the avenues you suggested for Muslims, I guess you apply that same logic to the black community - in fact, all communities.

What was that again about not liking your answer . . . .

On edit -- "I have to wonder" -- you are actually hiding behind that

MARY THE LIBERAL IS A RACIST

MARY THE LIBERAL IS A RACIST

MARY THE LIBERAL IS A RACIST

MARY THE LIBERAL IS A RACIST

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

^^^

So, that babble indicates you dislike and/or distrust most if not all Muslims because they do not do enough to stop a very small fraction of their society.

Fair enough.

I just wanted the screaming liberal to say it - that's all

Interesting, seeing as how black youth does the same thing every day and it could be argued that black moderates do not do enough to stop it a la the avenues you suggested for Muslims, I guess you apply that same logic to the black community - in fact, all communities.

What was that again about not liking your answer . . . .

On edit -- "I have to wonder" -- you are actually hiding behind that

MARY THE LIBERAL IS A RACIST

MARY THE LIBERAL IS A RACIST

MARY THE LIBERAL IS A RACIST

MARY THE LIBERAL IS A RACIST

Again you are putting words in my mouth, what I SAID was I was DISAPPOINTED that the moderates arent doing more to control their unruly members! How many ways to I have to say it? I didnt use the words "dislike" or "distrust" anywhere. I have admitted, too, that this is the one area I am not automatically Liberal about, so why you are gloating is beyond me

as for applying that logic to other communities, I havent thought about it really but frankly I cant see a problem with that premise? I think it is the duty of society in general to control its unruly members. Parents are expected to do that with their children, and we DO have laws for cripes sake!!
And as I ALSO said: only the MUSLIMS can change the minds of other Muslims. They sure as hell arent going to listen to a Jew or a Christian!

Again, prior to 9/11, I always had a live and let live attitude............If I wasnt so sure that we were heading toward a "Muslim vs. Christian" type apocalypse (which is what I meant when I said "I hope I never have to say 'I told you so'"), I'd be more than happy to have that attitude again.

ps: racism is discrimination based on race. I am talking more along religious paradigms. not the same thing technically speaking.

EDIT: re: "I have to wonder..." there's nothing to hide behind. I DO wonder. And, I wouldnt be at all surprised if it were the truth.

[michelle2677]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

It's different though because no one ever locked up your ancestors for their lack of intelligence or oral hygiene.

that post was in direct response to the original post of this thread. The "ching chong" comment. I know this thread has gotten pretty heated, and I am absolutely against locking any innocent person up just because of the color of their skin. I am also against slavery and all other heinous things that have been mentioned in this thread. But saying "ching chong" is not even remotely close to being in a category with those events. So yeah, I think I can say with a clear conscious someone calling me an "inbred, hillbilly, redneck, idiot who married my cousin" just because I am from kentucky-right up there with a "ching chong" comment. And I'm not meaning that snarky at all. But I wasn't comparing the prejudices against Kentuckians (or where someone is from) to locking someone up, or concentration camps etc.

and I get how some people take offense to the comment because of things that happened in their life. Ha. I guess everyone I grew up with was Kentuckian, so they couldn't make fun of me for that!! But even now it doesn't bother me. Even I joke about it sometimes. But I'm pretty hard to offend