FM Family Tree - Page 2

bjk3047 · #16 07-31-2002, 03:41 PM

Well I would've thought that would've been the fun of making such an expansive tree - the fact that it was so complex. As real family trees go, lots of families and cousins and second wives, that's the fun of it! lol I'd think an appendix would make it too segmented. But that's my thought, I don't really see anyone else's opinion other than mine and Johnny and John, cmon people!!
-Brian

wetcamelfood · #17 07-31-2002, 06:23 PM

I take it that you would like me to include the PG solo stuff (as it seems you would like this thing to be as juicy as possible!) so I'll see what I can find tomorrow on that. Talk to you then.

John

Johnny Stew · #18 07-31-2002, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bjk3047
Well I would've thought that would've been the fun of making such an expansive tree - the fact that it was so complex.

Well, that is true!
I was thinking my suggestion might make the task a little easier on you, Brian, but if you're willing to climb all the branches, then more power to ya!

By the way, did the files I e-mailed you make it thru ok? Nothing was bounced back, so I assume they werent too big for your account.

Johnny Stew

bjk3047 · #19 07-31-2002, 10:48 PM

I'm definately up for it! I completely forgot to check my account! I got the files, they're beautiful. Couldn't have better stuff to work with. I'll make a font and put a couple pieces on by tomorrow and post them so we can see some solid progress. I'm actually looking forward to this

-Brian

wetcamelfood · #20 08-01-2002, 08:55 AM

OK Brian, I realized I forgot to post the POST FM Jeremy stuff so I'll put that after Peter's Post FM stuff. Now, I just had to go by the personnel of the albums (except where noted) as I found very little info on who was involved with PG & JS's live shows (and when they took place if at all) but at least it would be something to get down to start the branch anyways and then additions/corrections could always be added later, perhaps Mario could help with some of the "live PG lineups/dates" info? Once again though, things like PG's 1972 "band", the only people I "know" of that played on the 2 '72 Reprise singles were PG & Nigel Watson so I couldn't list anything further though there are obviously other people involved on there. Also, I had to "assume" a few things such as, Peter Bardens played on PG's "In the skies" album but I've never heard any data suggesting that he was in Peter's "band" at the time so I left him out. Anyways, here's the "meat & potatoes" of what I've got here on these two:

PETER GREEN (POST FM)

...after FM...

Group: (Peter Green Band)
Time line: 1970?
Members: PG (gtr), Nick Buck (keyboards, album & "tour"), Zoot Money (keyboards), Godfrey Maclean (Drums), Alex Dimochowski (bass)

Group: (Peter Green Band)
Time line: 1972?
Members: PG (gtr), Nigel Watson (voc?)

Group: (Peter Green Band)
Time line: 1979?
Members: PG (gtr/voc), Snowy White (gtr), Lennox Langton (percussion), Reg Isadore (drums), Kuma Harada (bass)

Group: (Peter Green Band)
Time line: 1980?
Members: PG (gtr/voc), Ronnie Johnson (gtr), Morris Pert (percussion), Dave Mattacks (drums), Kuma Harada (bass), Paul Westwood (bass), John Edwards (bass), Roy Shipston (keyboards)

Group: (Peter Green Band)
Time line: 1981?
Members: PG (gtr/voc), Mo Foster (bass), Lennox Langton (percussion), Jeff Daly (sax), Dave Mattacks (drums), Paul Westwood (bass), Roy Shipston (keyboards)

Group: (Peter Green Band)
Time line: 1982?
Members: PG (gtr/voc), Reg Isadore (drums), Larry Steele (bass), Webster Johnson (keyboards), Jeff Whittaker (percussion)

Group: (Peter Green Band)
Time line: 1983?
Members: PG (gtr/voc), Reg Isadore (drums), Larry Steele (bass), Webster Johnson (keyboards), Jeff Whittaker (percussion), Bob Bowman (slide gtr), Trevor Orten (pan pipes)

Group: Peter Green Splinter Group
Time line: 1996-1997
Members: PG (gtr/har/voc), Nigel Watson (gtr/voc), Neil Murray (bass), Spike Edney (keyboards), Cozy Powell (drums)

Group: Peter Green Splinter Group
Time line: 1998?
Members: PG (gtr/har/voc), Nigel Watson (gtr/voc), Neil Murray (bass), Roger Cotton (keyboards), Larry Tolfree (drums)

Group: Peter Green Splinter Group
Time line: 1999-(present)
Members: PG (gtr/har/voc), Nigel Watson (gtr/voc), Roger Cotton (keyboards), Larry Tolfree (drums), Peter Stroud (bass)

...now JEREMY SPENCER (POST FM)

...after FM...

Group: Jeremy Spencer & The Children
Time line: 1972?
Members: JS (gtr/keyboards/voc), Michael (gtr/har/voc), Phil Ham (gtr/flute/sitar), Moriah (voc/tamb), Boaz (bass/voc/recorder), Ginnethon (drums)

Group: (Jeremy Spencer Band)
Time line: 1979?
Members: JS (gtr/voc), Michael Fogarty (keyboards/voc), Jeff Schoen (keyboards), Neal Jason (bass), Al Izzo (drums), Buz Buchanan (drums), Victor Salazar (percussion)

Group: (Jeremy Spencer Band)
Time line: 1999?
Members: JS (gtr/voc), Mike Creswel (keyboards), Adrian Fernandes (drums), Rupert Fernandes (gtr), Taufiq Qureshi (percussion), Vas Myers (bass), Jono D'Sousa (keyboards), Makoto Nobuka (gtr), Tim Forsberg (percussion), Christy Gibson (backing voc), Joy Pascarelli (backing voc)

...phew! So, that takes care of all of the "original" members. I need a break! LOL! Let me know Brian when you are ready to proceed (as I assume this will keep you busy for a while) and I guess we'll just take a member at a time, next up Danny Kirwan. I look forward to hearing how things are going so far.

John

wetcamelfood · #21 08-01-2002, 10:00 AM

Brian, I forgot that I found this (attached) "Tramp tree" inside the Jo Ann Kelly "Tramp 1974" CD booklet so hopefully you can just refer to this now and ignore my badly explained ramblings about Tramp which I posted here before remembering that this was in that CD case.

John

chiliD · #22 08-01-2002, 10:17 AM

I guess I'll just drop little bits & pieces of trivia and tie up some loose ends here & there:

Bob Hall-Piano (original keyboard player for Savoy Brown)

Here's a Beatle connection:

Keef Hartley: Before taking Mick Fleetwood's place in Bluesbreakers, he was the second replacement for Ringo Starr in Rory Storm & The Hurricanes; then I see by the Tramp tree, he once again took a spot in a band that Mick had filled. (Just don't tell me that someday our favorite band will be called "Hartley Mac" will it?).

I'm just going off the top of my head and don't have the documentation in front of me at the moment, but some of those later Peter Green "bands" actually had names:

Kolors
Katmandu

But, off the top of my head, I can't remember the chronology of them.

John, the current Splinter Group lineup has been together since August of 1998...Pete stroud replaced Neil Murray right before their US tour.

wetcamelfood · #23 08-01-2002, 12:22 PM

...for letting me know about the correct date that Stroud replaced Murray in PGSG. As I say, I only had the albums so I just had to assume from those as to the "replacement dates" but at least Brian can make that change now and we can just keep adding to it to get it as accurate as possible before too long.

John

bjk3047 · #24 08-01-2002, 12:58 PM

Small update - The font really isn't working as I had envisioned...it's just way too rough. Sooo I'm entertaining other ideas

In other words, back to square one. The only thing I can think of is copy paste from the existing letters and add manually. It works, I tried a little of it, but it's quite tedious. Suggestions frmo the Peanut Gallery?
-Brian

wetcamelfood · #25 08-01-2002, 01:26 PM

Sunds OK to me Brian, at least it would be the same effect whereby you'd be pasting over the original info at the time just to get the tree up and then if there's additions/corrections later, those can be pasted in after.

I'll still wait to hear from you before I move on to Danny but I wanted to ask...

Is the "Group, Time line, Members" format I've been posting them in been of use in so far as making it easy for you to copy and paste them over from? (if it turns out you go with this way of doing it)

Naturally, I guess you'd have to put in the attachments ones manually which seems a bummer but at least you know that way (and the "copy and paste" deal) works so you won't have to go all of the way into it and start over again (like now!). You'll know that once you do it, it's there for good. I can imagine how tedious it must be but that's why I figured it wouldn't be so disjointed if we started with the original members and just adding a new member at a time but I really don't know, I'll keep thinking of other ways...

Anyways, that's my two cents, but I'll go with the majority. So let me know if I should continue posting under the same "format" or if it should be a different one, let me know how you'd like stuff posted (obviously, depending on which approach is decided on for putting it together) and let me know when your caught up and I'll start researching Danny.

John

Les · #26 08-01-2002, 04:04 PM

From the pictures Johnny Stew posted -- perhaps the Fritz lineup can be corrected to say "Bob Aguirre" rather than "Bob Geary"?

wetcamelfood · #27 08-01-2002, 08:04 PM

Since I was listing "side" projects (such as Tramp just in case they were considered relevant), I forgot to list these for "original" members Mick & John earlier so the "originals" should be completely covered now! It's fine with me if it's decided against adding these but I just thought I'd pass them along so it can be hashed around (once again, I'm just going by the album credits as I don't have any other documentation for exact dates etc. but at least that can be added later if necessary):

JOHN MCVIE

Group: John Mcvie's Gotta Band (with Lola Thomas)
Time line: 1992?
Members: JM (bass), Lola Thomas (voc), Lee Spath (drums), David Plenn (gtr), Mick Taylor (gtr), Jim Pugh (keyboards), Wayne Jackson (horns), Andrew Love (horns), Brad Dutz (percussion), Billy Burnette (gtr/backing voc), George Hawkins (backing voc)

MICK fLEETWOOD

Group: (Mick Fleetwood Band)
Time line: 1981?
Members: MF (drums), George Hawkins (bass/voc), Todd Sharp (gtr/voc), Lord Tiki (congas)

Group: Mick Fleetwood's Zoo
Time Line: 1983?
Members: MF (drums), George Hawkins (bass/voc), Steve Ross (gtr/voc), Billy Burnette (gtr/voc)

Group: The Zoo
Time Line: 1992?
Members: MF (drums), Bekka Bramlett (voc), Billy Thorpe (gtr/voc), Gregg Wright (gtr), Tom Lilly (bass), Brett Tuggle (keyboards)

...I know some may feel as though these don't count but I know some might think these may be considered obvious for inclusion and that they should not be forgotten so I just thought I'd run them by everyone so we can decide if they are to be included or whatever. OK, NOW I'll wait until your caught up Brian!

John

Johnny Stew · #28 08-01-2002, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Les
perhaps the Fritz lineup can be corrected to say "Bob Aguirre" rather than "Bob Geary"?

Good catch, Les!

Yeah, we definitely need to peruse that family tree to correct any other mistakes there may be. I remember thinking there were a couple, but now I can't remember exactly what they were.

Here's another question for Brian... do you want the info for the "bogus" Fleetwood Mac, or are we leaving them off completely?

Johnny Stew

bjk3047 · #29 08-01-2002, 11:18 PM

First off, I attatched a file of the template I made to try and makes things a little speedier. Someone holler if I missed something that would add to the efficiency.

I fixed Mr. "Geary"s name. And Johnny's right, please do ppint out anymore errors befor I start adding to the tree. It may be difficult to add after the fact, so (and this is key) ***let's make alterations before additions*** Some have been mentioned (such as "Various" replacements I believe John brought up), but I can't quite remember, so do post them again.

I think we should probably just stick with the real Fleetwood Mac. Oh and also, I think we should restrict entries to live lineups. Thus, LB Law And Order and Go Insane would not appear. That's how the tree was originally constructed and it would be good to keep it to a standard. SO, we should refine entries for Mick and John and Bob's solo gigs to meet that criteria. Makes sense?

-Brian

wetcamelfood · #30 08-02-2002, 06:11 AM

Sounds (and looks, from the attachment) great to me Brian. OK sticking to "live" only is cool with me. I guess I should kinda "step down" though as I must admit, I'm not all that authoritive on the "live" lineups and since it seems you would rather have all of the info FIRST and THEN add it to make sure that it is all correct (as I wasn't aware that it would be hard to make corrections later) I wouldn't want to bombard you with all of this info from albums when you may not even need/want it but I do agree with everything you said (I really like the font you came up with there, looks to me just like Pete Frame's one, Great stuff!) and I'm looking forward to seeing the finished results.

I was thining though that there are things like, say, Bob Weston (when you get there), whereby he was in bands like say, Ashkan or Long John Baldry's band but I can't even think where to start on getting further info on some "live" data on them but I do have the relevant albums etc. so if you ever do want lineups from the albums or whatever, just let me know and I'll pass them on to you here. OK? Thanks guys, this looks and sounds really cool to me already!

John