What did Stevie really think? - Page 6

gldstwmn · #76 11-07-2006, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Tower

Lemme tell ya something, Chrissey mah dear- I am seriously done with Stevie's ****.

She has a ton of money, every recording method at her disposal and a supposed "manic" phase in her that should have her writing 20 songs a year. Jeezus, woman- put out an album. Joni Mitchell was so bothered by her muse that she couldn't stand it anymore and was literally forced into the studio in her early sixties to get it out of her system.

This is why I am NOT going to the Vegas Corporate Thing in December. Here's the set list:

Stand Back
{wardrobe change}
Rhiannnon
{band intro}
Landslide
{wardrobe change}
Dreams
{percussion solo}
{add gold shawl}
Gold Dust Woman
{wardrobe change}
{extended drum combat with percussionist}
Edge of Seventeen
{15 minute "pounding your fists and stomping your feet" encore}
Has Anyone Ever.........

I'm done. Come back to me, Stevie, when you've got a ****ing creative spark to move on.....

Amen. I don't feel motivated to see her in Vegas because I've been there/done that. And I don't think she needs to "break her back" (sorry for not quoting you directly Stewy) to be relevant. Working in the studio can be a relatively serene environment. After all, it's not 1978 any more.
As a side note about Joni, I'm reading a book called Hotel California that talks about the birth of the whole singer/songrwriter movement in the early 60's and it talks a lot about Joni, Gram Parsons, David Crosby, Neil Young, Linda Ronstadt, Jackson Browne and many other artists, some now forgotten and how David Geffen and Elliot Roberts made a tremendous contribution to that scene. They also made a lot of money.

It also talks about the petri dish environment that created The Eagles. I find that interesting because of the connection to all of those players (Bernie Leadon, Henley, Felder and Joe Walsh) that worked with Stevie. Even Tony Dimitriades and Waddy are interviewed. I'm only halfway through the book so as far as the timeline goes there is no mention of Fleetwood Mac yet. But even if there isn't, I won't be disapppointed. It's a fascinating glimpse into that whole time period that was responsible for the birth of Buckingham Nicks and the Fleetwood Mac everyone knows now.
Woops. I guess I went a little off topic there.

gldstwmn · #77 11-07-2006, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by shackin'up

Build a folky country-FMrecord from the bottom up, tour it mashed with some solowork of both and cut the rumourscrap.

If only! That would be nirvana.

gldstwmn · #78 11-07-2006, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

god you people depress the **** out of me.

like Stew said, yeah, we all want new music. if it happens, it happens, if not, oh well. again, like Brian said, she's earned the right to do whatever the hell she wants at this point. whether that is hop from tour to tour or do nothing at all. the fact that her setlist doesn't change is.so.friggin.old. it is what it is. get used to it. she's not a creature of change anymore, if she ever was at all. she's in a comfort zone, i.e. a rut. maybe she can't decide what to do next. maybe she's content touring just like she is to huge, loving crowds. keep in mind that a large majority of Stevie's fans aren't sitting around bitching and moaning about her stale setlist. 90% of us are all just unlucky bastards to only caught on to her/FM in the 90's and we sometimes forget she's been busting it since the 70's.

as far as Liddy being more progressive or relevant. I don't know if I read that he is more relevant...if that was the intent, it's bull. if it's simply that he is progressive and relevant, yeah, I can go along with that.

Please don't misunderstand. I'm merely offering my opinion here and trying to stimulate some discussion. I love Stevie. I listen to her and Fleetwood Mac pretty much every day wile I am working. Of course, it helps when you have about 1000 live performances and bootlegs on your iTunes.

gldstwmn · #79 11-07-2006, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rickypt

I So, yes, score one for Liddy in 2006, but I just don't think Stevie deserves the bashing she is getting.

I'm not bashing her. We are engaging in a healthy debate. It's fun and it's taking my mind off how nervous I am about these god damn elections today.

HejiraNYC · #80 11-07-2006, 01:25 PM

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I have a feeling she's enjoying having the freedom to just go off on tour with Don Henley or Tom Petty, or fly to Australia, or play a few nights in Vegas. She's still getting to perform and entertain, but without having to worry about meeting deadlines, booking studio time, hiring producers, and so forth.

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At this point in her career, Stevie could easily get away with recording an album every year or two that was written and produced by a team of industry pro's. I mean, look at Celine Dion! She's essentially held a full-time gig in Vegas for the past four years, yet she managed to crap out something like four or five albums during that time. Granted they didn't sell that well and they got savaged by the critics. But her hardcore base ate it up. Barbra Streisand is another one who continues to sh*t out kind of perfunctory efforts every year despite the fact that she admits to hating music, and ends up selling CDs by the truckload. I tend to believe that Stevie holds herself to a higher standard and would rather not record if it meant merely putting stuff out for the sake of putting stuff out. She's a control freak and although we all lover her for that, it be very frustrating for those of us who just want to hear something new. Anything new!

gldstwmn · #81 11-07-2006, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

Anything new!

Anything. Someone leak a piano demo for chrissakes.

strandinthewind · #82 11-07-2006, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Anything. Someone leak a piano demo for chrissakes.

That's what kills me. She could very easily release likely 25 piano demos on her website and chage $.99 to download them. At some point she must have realized there is no way all her demos will even come close to production. Then, there are all the "Reconsider Me" fully produced things out there that we know nothing about.

sparky · #83 11-07-2006, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

True, true... but it's been eight years since Joni's last album of all-new songs. The only "new" releases since then (not counting the four or five compilations) have been the jazz standards album and the album of re-recordings of her old tunes. So certainly Joni went through her own period of being less-than-inspired when it comes to writing/recording new material.

Joni is a different deal altogether. Her orchestral recordings are landmarks, and cement her place historically as an artist. The different arrangements also show her evolution as an artist. It's a true pity Stevie hasn't done the same, as I have voiced on numerous occasions. As far as her lack of inspiration goes, she was very forthcoming about it. She stated in more than one interview that she had nothing to write, and would rather paint and spend time with her family. In addition she voiced her disgust for the music industry in general and said she was officially retired.

Who knows what's going on in Stevie's head regarding her career? She seems content to be doing what she's doing. There are lots of people who don't mind the juke box tours. They have moments of fun. I, for one, have almost zero interest in another FM tour, though retirement looms, and I suspect we will have many more of them to come.

Rickypt · #84 11-07-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I'm not bashing her. We are engaging in a healthy debate. It's fun and it's taking my mind off how nervous I am about these god damn elections today.

Okay, bashing wasn't the right word. Although I wasn't really referring to you. Someone on this board (or maybe sevenwonders) said he was "disgusted" with Stevie because of her lack of recording. That's such a strong word...but anyway, I'll take back the bashing comment.

rbs3676 · #85 11-07-2006, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

In my dreams: Stevie is waiting to record again until Rick Rubin can fit her into his schedule, and the Racounteurs are finished touring so Jack White can co-produce.

Oooooohhhhhhhh I like this dream!!!

rbs

rbs3676 · #86 11-07-2006, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sparky

Joni is a different deal altogether. Her orchestral recordings are landmarks, and cement her place historically as an artist. The different arrangements also show her evolution as an artist. It's a true pity Stevie hasn't done the same, as I have voiced on numerous occasions. As far as her lack of inspiration goes, she was very forthcoming about it. She stated in more than one interview that she had nothing to write, and would rather paint and spend time with her family. In addition she voiced her disgust for the music industry in general and said she was officially retired.

Who knows what's going on in Stevie's head regarding her career? She seems content to be doing what she's doing. There are lots of people who don't mind the juke box tours. They have moments of fun. I, for one, have almost zero interest in another FM tour, though retirement looms, and I suspect we will have many more of them to come.

I agree with you. Stevie could have/should have done a BOTH SIDES NOW thing with a complete re-working of her tunes with an incredible orchestra. THAT would be a feather in her cap, for sure.

I, too, do NOT care to see the Mac again unless Christine is back with them.
And even then, I don't want a rehash of THE DANCE, either. But I know that will never happen...

rbs

Johnny Stew · #87 11-07-2006, 02:42 PM

Re-working your tunes with an orchestra has been done several times (I think Metallica started that craze, didn't they?), doing a country album has been done countless times, doing a standards album has been done to death.
All of those things seem kind of gimmicky and overdone at this point... and Stevie's already criticized enough by her fans for doing things that are "rote".

Me, I'm not looking for the reinvention of the wheel, or for Stevie to "do like so-and-so did"... I just want a new STEVIE NICKS album in the classic vein.

rbs3676 · #88 11-07-2006, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I just want a new STEVIE NICKS album in the classic vein.

AMEN!!!

RBS

gldstwmn · #89 11-07-2006, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rbs3676

I, too, do NOT care to see the Mac again unless Christine is back with them.
rbs

Or Bob Welch, Rick Vito, Billy Burnette, a surprise appearance by Peter Green every now and again.
But that's my dream
or so it seems
I still see dreams
where there are none...

gldstwmn · #90 11-07-2006, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

All of those things seem kind of gimmicky and overdone at this point... and Stevie's already criticized enough by her fans for doing things that are "rote".

But to me, it wouldn't be rote because it's something she's never done before.