What did Stevie really think?

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

I'm not getting this at all. In the last 12 years, Stevie has done 2 solo albums (plus go through rehab and Lindsey has done one. What is this thing about the so-called relevant LB just because he finally released something in the last few months?

Lindsey's relevancy as an artist right now has to do with him putting out a very unconventional record followed by a very unconventional, sparse tour. It is something different for him. He's not trying to reenact something that ended 30 or 20 or 5 years ago to sell tickets. He goes out on stage, plays his show, interacts with his audience and that's that. To me, that's progressive art.
Hey, it's not that it was bad that Stevie toured with Henley or Petty or filmed a DVD with a symphony we'll never see (professionally shot, at least). It's just that IMO that's not progressive as an artist and it's really just become nostalgia and did with the Say You Will tour. She's in some kind of a rut. The woman has written thousands of songs in her career. She gave up everything for it. And now it's the same set list night after night, tour after tour with a few covers thrown in to mix it up. It's kind of like you said a while back. She's semi retired-as far as anything new goes. Hell, her last new release was nearly four years ago. We haven't even gotten a movie soundtrack single since then. If this is the way she wants it, then fine. But for god's sake, polish up and release some stuff for us that's already in the can. Do it through Sanctuary instead of big old corporate Warner's. If this is the end of the road as far as the new recordings are concerned fine. But at least throw us a bone. Say Goodbye (pun intended).

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by sparky

You sure are saucy these days. Me likey.

Honey, she's always been saucy.... Don't even get me started- cuz I'm right in her gladiator pit, babe.

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Lindsey's relevancy as an artist right now has to do with him putting out a very unconventional record followed by a very unconventional, sparse tour. It is something different for him. He's not trying to reenact something that ended 30 or 20 or 5 years ago to sell tickets. He goes out on stage, plays his show, interacts with his audience and that's that. To me, that's progressive art.
Hey, it's not that it was bad that Stevie toured with Henley or Petty or filmed a DVD with a symphony we'll never see (professionally shot, at least). It's just that IMO that's not progressive as an artist and it's really just become nostalgia and did with the Say You Will tour. She's in some kind of a rut. The woman has written thousands of songs in her career. She gave up everything for it. And now it's the same set list night after night, tour after tour with a few covers thrown in to mix it up. It's kind of like you said a while back. She's semi retired-as far as anything new goes. Hell, her last new release was nearly four years ago. We haven't even gotten a movie soundtrack single since then. If this is the way she wants it, then fine. But for god's sake, polish up and release some stuff for us that's already in the can. Do it through Sanctuary instead of big old corporate Warner's. If this is the end of the road as far as the new recordings are concerned fine. But at least throw us a bone. Say Goodbye (pun intended).

Oops- too late.

Lemme tell ya something, Chrissey mah dear- I am seriously done with Stevie's ****.

She has a ton of money, every recording method at her disposal and a supposed "manic" phase in her that should have her writing 20 songs a year. Jeezus, woman- put out an album. Joni Mitchell was so bothered by her muse that she couldn't stand it anymore and was literally forced into the studio in her early sixties to get it out of her system.

This is why I am NOT going to the Vegas Corporate Thing in December. Here's the set list:

Stand Back
{wardrobe change}
Rhiannnon
{band intro}
Landslide
{wardrobe change}
Dreams
{percussion solo}
{add gold shawl}
Gold Dust Woman
{wardrobe change}
{extended drum combat with percussionist}
Edge of Seventeen
{15 minute "pounding your fists and stomping your feet" encore}
Has Anyone Ever.........


I'm done. Come back to me, Stevie, when you've got a ****ing creative spark to move on.....

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by The Tower

Joni Mitchell was so bothered by her muse that she couldn't stand it anymore and was literally forced into the studio in her early sixties to get it out of her system.

True, true... but it's been eight years since Joni's last album of all-new songs. The only "new" releases since then (not counting the four or five compilations) have been the jazz standards album and the album of re-recordings of her old tunes. So certainly Joni went through her own period of being less-than-inspired when it comes to writing/recording new material.

Maybe the same is true of Stevie. Perhaps she's going through a period where she's simply not inspired. And I'm sure, as much as we'd all love for her to record something new, none of us wants her to do something uninspired, out of obligation. It'd be much better if she takes her time and then comes back with a group of songs she's really passionate about.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm as frustrated as anyone. I'm just trying to look at it as pragmatically as I can.

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

What's your point?

She is as whiny as he is and they should cut that crap. Build a folky country-FMrecord from the bottom up, tour it mashed with some solowork of both and cut the rumourscrap. Even if you don't like it, Lindsey stands for his art and is letting his muse do the work. He knows that he's not selling out big venues on his own and just don't give a ****. He doing his noncommercial thing and it's done with high energy and believe. I would have died on the spot if I'd witnessed Stevie, Eddie Vedder and Tom Petty singing along on stage, I must admit, but for the rest: it's just nostalgia golden oldie-time for her. A pity. I wish she had ten percent of Lindsey's artistic drive left in her.

gldstwmn says it all in her post. Sad but true.

[strandinthewind]

Also - Joni has not toured as much as La Nicks and that must take a toll. Also, in the last nine years, La Nicks has released over 25 or so new songs. So, she has been far more prolific than JM.

In the end, I think La Nicks sees herself as fading a little. I think we will get one more record from her, but that could be just wishful thinking.

As for LB, even if he releases the promised second record, the material he has released over his career possibly could be half of the amount La Nicks has given us.

So, in the big scheme of things, to say La Nicks deserves a break perhaps is an understatement.

Finally, the schtick sells and they all know it and they all participated and participate in it. I think people forget that FM is and has been since perhaps Tusk a carefully choreographed stage show. So, I take it for what it is worth.

[BlackWidow]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Oh what the fukc ever -- He ate that shiitte up on SYW and so did she. They play out the game and have readily admitted it like 1,000 times. It does not mean that they do not love each other, which they both have admitted equally as many times.

Me thinks LB does protest too much!

Me thinketh you are correct Sir!

[JazmenFlowers]

god you people depress the **** out of me.

like Stew said, yeah, we all want new music. if it happens, it happens, if not, oh well. again, like Brian said, she's earned the right to do whatever the hell she wants at this point. whether that is hop from tour to tour or do nothing at all. the fact that her setlist doesn't change is.so.friggin.old. it is what it is. get used to it. she's not a creature of change anymore, if she ever was at all. she's in a comfort zone, i.e. a rut. maybe she can't decide what to do next. maybe she's content touring just like she is to huge, loving crowds. keep in mind that a large majority of Stevie's fans aren't sitting around bitching and moaning about her stale setlist. 90% of us are all just unlucky bastards to only caught on to her/FM in the 90's and we sometimes forget she's been busting it since the 70's.

as far as Liddy being more progressive or relevant. I don't know if I read that he is more relevant...if that was the intent, it's bull. if it's simply that he is progressive and relevant, yeah, I can go along with that.

[JazmenFlowers]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

What's your point?

I'm wondering the same.

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Lindsey's relevancy as an artist right now has to do with him putting out a very unconventional record followed by a very unconventional, sparse tour. It is something different for him. He's not trying to reenact something that ended 30 or 20 or 5 years ago to sell tickets. He goes out on stage, plays his show, interacts with his audience and that's that. To me, that's progressive art.
Hey, it's not that it was bad that Stevie toured with Henley or Petty or filmed a DVD with a symphony we'll never see (professionally shot, at least). It's just that IMO that's not progressive as an artist and it's really just become nostalgia and did with the Say You Will tour. She's in some kind of a rut. The woman has written thousands of songs in her career. She gave up everything for it. And now it's the same set list night after night, tour after tour with a few covers thrown in to mix it up. It's kind of like you said a while back. She's semi retired-as far as anything new goes. Hell, her last new release was nearly four years ago. We haven't even gotten a movie soundtrack single since then. If this is the way she wants it, then fine. But for god's sake, polish up and release some stuff for us that's already in the can. Do it through Sanctuary instead of big old corporate Warner's. If this is the end of the road as far as the new recordings are concerned fine. But at least throw us a bone. Say Goodbye (pun intended).

I hear where you're coming from and I can appreciate the frustration with Stevie, as I have it myself (just not quite so strong).

Yes, Lindsey is more of a progressive artist right now. And, yes, creatively Stevie is in a rut. Maybe she's depressed, maybe the TISL/SYW experiences combined were exhausting and unpleasant and she wants a break, maybe she just figures she wants to do something else. Maybe her experience with the soldiers has affected her in a profound way that has caused her to rethink how she wants to spend her time.

So then she chooses to demonstrate her "relevance" in other ways that might be more inspiring and meaningful for her. She gets involved with charities (I never hear about LB doing anything like that). Her Vegas gig might be the same old, same old, but someone said Stevie can you help raise some money for college scholarships and she said yes.

And she has been performing non-stop for several years. It's obvious that this is what she loves and by the ovations and big ticket sales for Two Voices/Gold Dust/Tom Petty tours, she knows this is making a lot of her fans very happy.

Stevie put out a lot of creative material while LB gave his fans nothing for years. So, yes, score one for Liddy in 2006, but I just don't think Stevie deserves the bashing she is getting.

Especially based on these LB interviews. I don't believe for a second that the "meeting" played out the way he described. First, I don't think the tour was
1 1/2 years away when they had the meeting. I think they were discussing the 2007 tour at the time. Second, I think the discussion about mics closer to gether and looking at one another was probably more a reaction to how cold the interactions were in SYW tour, and a suggestion that they try being more like a duo. And third, I highly doubt Stevie typed up a setlist and said this what we're doing. She probably came up with something as a starting point for discussion. It was a meeting--that's what professionals do.

[strandinthewind]

^^^

Amen.

Moreover, while I certainly do wish La Nicks would change her setlist in a more dramatic manner, she peppers it with new stuff or rarely heard stuff on every tour. I mean La Nicks singing Hotel California was a true treat, not to mention American Girl. Plus, for Enchanted and TISL, she added many new songs. Granted on TISL, she dropped some, but she was sick for a long time on that tour. She also added many new songs and did BC on the SYW tour and did Circle Dance and R&R on the GD tour. So, she does mix is up a little for each tour.

Interestingly, other than the addition of SMAP and perhaps another, LB certainly is not changing his set list and he is performing lots of hits and concert staples from his past So, to these eyes, that means he hardly is being a progressive in that vein.

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

^^^

I mean La Nicks singing Hotel California was a true treat, not to mention American Girl.

And let's add Insider. Let's face it, we were all shocked when we learned she was actually doing this one on the TP tour.

[JazmenFlowers]

Ryan and Strand - ITA. furthermore, I don't believe half of what comes out of Liddy's mouth. Like Stevie, he's in his own world and you have to take everything said with a grain of salt as the truth, mostly truth, partial truth or purely fabricated. I think Lindsey's much more bitter (about what I don't know) than he's willing to admit.

Originally Posted by Rickypt

And let's add Insider. Let's face it, we were all shocked when we learned she was actually doing this one on the TP tour.

exactly. and it proves my point. those who bitch will bitch no matter what. if you were to line up all the changes Stevie HAS made...all the things she HAS done over the past few years, you'd see that a lot of these complaints are no longer valid. but misery loves company I guess.

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

if you were to line up all the changes Stevie HAS made...all the things she HAS done over the past few years, you'd see that a lot of these complaints are no longer valid. but misery loves company I guess.

You know that I have been one of the chief bitchers, but in the past year I've come to realize all that Stevie is doing and changes that have been made. I also greatly appreciate her charity work and devotion to family. When the most important person in my life died, I did almost nothing except drugs for years. I fully expected Stevie to go into seclusion for a long time after the death of her father.

The TP tour was one of the greatest moments of Stevie's career, imo.

[BlackWidow]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I can understand everyone's frustrations and disappointment... I would LOVE a new Stevie solo album (I wouldn't turn my nose up at a new album with the Mac, but, frankly, that's not very high on my wishlist). But at this point in Stevie's life and career, I doubt she's very worried about busting her back to be "relevant." She's spent the better part of the last 35 years touring and recording, and if she wants to take a more carefree approach to things these days, she should be able to.

I have a feeling she's enjoying having the freedom to just go off on tour with Don Henley or Tom Petty, or fly to Australia, or play a few nights in Vegas. She's still getting to perform and entertain, but without having to worry about meeting deadlines, booking studio time, hiring producers, and so forth.

I'd say she's earned the right to call her own shots and do what she wants to do.

This is true!
It is easier to only have to come up with 6 good songs as opposed to 12.

[JazmenFlowers]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

You know that I have been one of the chief bitchers, but in the past year I've come to realize all that Stevie is doing and changes that have been made.

I totally know you have been.

and it's good to have you come to the dark side. bwahahaha.