Air America Radio files Chapter 11

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I do not need to listen to it to make the correct observation that it failed for lack of reaching a market large enough to sustain its costs - hence the bankruptcy, which speaks for itself

If we use your logic, BTW, then how can you dismiss RL (Rush Limbaugh) because I am confident you do not listen to him

I have heard him. You hear what you want to hear.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

I have heard him. You hear what you want to hear.

RL is just an example. I am sure there are those you have not heard, yet would make presumtions about

I hear what I want to hear? I do not think so

Moreover, I am not commenting on the content of the failed venture. I am commenting on its inability to reach a market that can sustain its costs. Don't you see the difference and that calling me out for never listening to it for any significant period is irrelevant to that argument because my point is proven by the bankruptcy.

In other words, I never had to have heard it once to know that it failed because it did not reach a big enough market. Hell, they say as much in the news articles on it.

I think you think I am gloating over its demise. I am not. Its not my cup of tea though and there is nothing wrong with that and I am not a bad person for it.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

They're coming. Schultz was on Larry King this week.

Big Eddie and Terry McAuliffe kicked ass on Larry King last night. I'm so damn proud of them. Why weren't they fighting back like this in '04?

[strandinthewind]

They did well. I think the D's problems have been they are too closely aligned with the R's platform. In 04 the only differences in the public's eyes appeared to be the D's loved the sinful gays and the abhorrent abortionists - bioth of which were treehuggers. On the war, they all appeared the same and the D's must own that because the vast majority of them supported it, esp. Kerry. I think that if a D comes out presents a platform significantly different, they will win. I mean (other issues aside) GOre got the popular vote and Kerry damn near beat W. Moreover, the US public seems to despise the R's right now. So, it is the D's to lose this time. Hopefully, they will not fukc it up.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Big Eddie and Terry McAuliffe kicked ass on Larry King last night. I'm so damn proud of them. Why weren't they fighting back like this in '04?

Well, Ed did not have the clout he has now. He did not have a big radio show to get him on prime time television. He was still only in a few markets. Right now he's the #1 liberal talk show host and Steph is #2.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

RL is just an example. I am sure there are those you have not heard, yet would make presumtions about

I hear what I want to hear? I do not think so

Moreover, I am not commenting on the content of the failed venture. I am commenting on its inability to reach a market that can sustain its costs. Don't you see the difference and that calling me out for never listening to it for any significant period is irrelevant to that argument because my point is proven by the bankruptcy.

In other words, I never had to have heard it once to know that it failed because it did not reach a big enough market. Hell, they say as much in the news articles on it.

I think you think I am gloating over its demise. I am not. Its not my cup of tea though and there is nothing wrong with that and I am not a bad person for it.

You're right. I misinterpreted what you were saying as "there is no market" as opposed to "it did not find its market". I'm didn't mean that you can't say it didn't find its market if you haven't listened. I was just shocked that you've never listened is all. Some of the hosts are harpy and make you crazy to listen, I even have a hard time listening, but others have a lot to say that needs to be heard and can't be anywhere else IMO. Liberal talk will live on even if AAR tanks. Clearly it's been mismanaged.

Also, I didn't say you were a bad person and I don't think you are and never have. I'm fascinated by your point of view even when it kills me. Seriously though, I've learned a lot from you and that is a good thing and I happen to think you're a good person.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

They did well. I think the D's problems have been they are too closely aligned with the R's platform. In 04 the only differences in the public's eyes appeared to be the D's loved the sinful gays and the abhorrent abortionists - bioth of which were treehuggers. On the war, they all appeared the same and the D's must own that because the vast majority of them supported it, esp. Kerry. I think that if a D comes out presents a platform significantly different, they will win. I mean (other issues aside) GOre got the popular vote and Kerry damn near beat W. Moreover, the US public seems to despise the R's right now. So, it is the D's to lose this time. Hopefully, they will not fukc it up.

The Ds didn't seem to stand for anything. That is what I think their real problem was. So wishy washy. Grow a pair and stand for something, dammit. Give a direct answer to a question. Show some integrity! I know they did it for political reasons to keep the votes of moderates but that was a sham of a "tactic". Obviously it did not help them. Stand for something and get the people who normally don't even vote motivated to get out to the polls. Then you'll have something. If they screw it up in Nov I'm going to lose it. If you need me you'll find me in Mexico with a very large bottle of tequila in one hand a butt in the other.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

You're right. I misinterpreted what you were saying as "there is no market" as opposed to "it did not find its market". I'm didn't mean that you can't say it didn't find its market if you haven't listened. I was just shocked that you've never listened is all. Some of the hosts are harpy and make you crazy to listen, I even have a hard time listening, but others have a lot to say that needs to be heard and can't be anywhere else IMO. Liberal talk will live on even if AAR tanks. Clearly it's been mismanaged.

Also, I didn't say you were a bad person and I don't think you are and never have. I'm fascinated by your point of view even when it kills me. Seriously though, I've learned a lot from you and that is a good thing and I happen to think you're a good person.

Well, thank you. And - that bad person line was not a personal thing, etc.

As for AA - - I did listen to some of it when Diss posted the RR think on Oliver North, when she incorrectly called him a felon or a convicted felon. When a conviction is overturned (even on a procedural ground like ON - and despite the fact that he is, as the court mentioned in the decision, likely guilty) - it is as if the conviction never happened. Thus, RR was clearly wrong and she knew it, but was being an a$$. Note - I think ON is a criminal and I despise his views and likely him. But, that has nothing to do with the fact that he is not felon, though it disgusts me that he got off on a technicality, etc.

I was watching the Sunday morning shows and one of the panel had a good point. AA and the far left do come across as somewhat elitist and preachy -- as opposed to RL, Hannity, BO, etc. - - who are more entertainers and their shows entertaining to the general masses. Maybe that is why AA failed.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

The Ds didn't seem to stand for anything. That is what I think their real problem was. So wishy washy. Grow a pair and stand for something, dammit. Give a direct answer to a question. Show some integrity! I know they did it for political reasons to keep the votes of moderates but that was a sham of a "tactic". Obviously it did not help them. Stand for something and get the people who normally don't even vote motivated to get out to the polls. Then you'll have something. If they screw it up in Nov I'm going to lose it. If you need me you'll find me in Mexico with a very large bottle of tequila in one hand a butt in the other.

I'll visit

Also, it get that it takes playing to the middle to win in that there are more votes there than on the edges. However, Clinton led people in the middle to him rather than playing to it -- if that makes sense.

A good example to me is Kerry. He came out and said at the convention that he was a decorated war hero and he stood on that platform. When attacked (and mostly with lies) he should have at the debate said to W's face that yes, some of Kerry's medals were for slight injuries, etc. - but at least he volunteered and went and people knew where he was - rather than being a pu$$y like W who essentially was MIA for most of the war and while thousands of people like Kerry who went were dying and being iunjured. W, even if he was not MIA, was working on a political campaign because he was a rich Mama's boy. Then, I wqould have said, W, none of the people in around you went to any war a la Cheney who said he had better things to do. W would have no answer to that and Kerry would have shut him down right there and then. Then, Kerry should have said the same thing to Hannity, BO, RL, etc. and when those fools tried to spin it, I would have told them to shut the fukc up and put them right back on at least I went there.

Sadly, Kerry had no such backbone.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Well, thank you. And - that bad person line was not a personal thing, etc.

As for AA - - I did listen to some of it when Diss posted the RR think on Oliver North, when she incorrectly called him a felon or a convicted felon. When a conviction is overturned (even on a procedural ground like ON - and despite the fact that he is, as the court mentioned in the decision, likely guilty) - it is as if the conviction never happened. Thus, RR was clearly wrong and she knew it, but was being an a$$. Note - I think ON is a criminal and I despise his views and likely him. But, that has nothing to do with the fact that he is not felon, though it disgusts me that he got off on a technicality, etc.

I was watching the Sunday morning shows and one of the panel had a good point. AA and the far left do come across as somewhat elitist and preachy -- as opposed to RL, Hannity, BO, etc. - - who are more entertainers and their shows entertaining to the general masses. Maybe that is why AA failed.

Randi does spin things for punch and I hate that. She speaks from her heart though and I've learned alot from her. I just wish she could calm down a little.

You're right, Franken is so smart, but I don't think they do it to be elitist. They are just smarter! Franken is def not for everyone but I think he's hysterical. Although sometimes I have to His skits are really funny. I also love when he reads his hate mail aloud. It's too much!

I guess AA needs more entertainers to entertain the masses. Oddly!

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I'll visit

Also, it get that it takes playing to the middle to win in that there are more votes there than on the edges. However, Clinton led people in the middle to him rather than playing to it -- if that makes sense.

A good example to me is Kerry. He came out and said at the convention that he was a decorated war hero and he stood on that platform. When attacked (and mostly with lies) he should have at the debate said to W's face that yes, some of Kerry's medals were for slight injuries, etc. - but at least he volunteered and went and people knew where he was - rather than being a pu$$y like W who essentially was MIA for most of the war and while thousands of people like Kerry who went were dying and being iunjured. W, even if he was not MIA, was working on a political campaign because he was a rich Mama's boy. Then, I wqould have said, W, none of the people in around you went to any war a la Cheney who said he had better things to do. W would have no answer to that and Kerry would have shut him down right there and then. Then, Kerry should have said the same thing to Hannity, BO, RL, etc. and when those fools tried to spin it, I would have told them to shut the fukc up and put them right back on at least I went there.

Sadly, Kerry had no such backbone.

Exactly! I wonder what he thought they may have had on him to shut him up. Or was it just fear of losing? If it was just fear of losing that is pathetic. Because if you fear losing that will become a self-fulfilling prophecy! You've gotta campaign as though you're gonna win. Dammit.

More specifically, I'll be in Tiujuana.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

Exactly! I wonder what he thought they may have had on him to shut him up. Or was it just fear of losing? If it was just fear of losing that is pathetic. Because if you fear losing that will become a self-fulfilling prophecy! You've gotta campaign as though you're gonna win. Dammit.

More specifically, I'll be in Tiujuana.

Can I bring the Scotties?

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Can I bring the Scotties?

Of course. And we must hit Cabo!