Kerry alleges misconduct in 2004 Ohio vote

[gldstwmn]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/....ap/index.html

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Sen. John Kerry didn't contest the results at the time, but now that he's considering another run for the White House, he's alleging election improprieties by the Ohio Republican who oversaw the deciding vote in 2004.

An e-mail from Kerry will be sent to 100,000 Democratic donors Tuesday asking them to support U.S. Rep. Ted Strickland for governor of Ohio. The bulk of the e-mail criticizes Strickland's opponent, GOP Secretary of State Ken Blackwell, for his dual role in 2004 as President Bush's honorary Ohio campaign co-chairman and the state's top election official.

"He used the power of his state office to try to intimidate Ohioans and suppress the Democratic vote," Kerry says in the e-mail, according to a copy provided in advance.

Kerry, D-Massachusetts, conceded the election when he lost Ohio and its 20 electoral votes. A recount requested by minor-party candidates showed Bush won by about 118,000 votes out of 5.5 million cast. But Kerry's e-mail says Blackwell "used his office to abuse our democracy and threaten basic voting rights."

Multiple lawsuits by outside groups were unsuccessful in challenging Ohio's 2004 election. One case filed by the League of Women Voters is still in U.S. District Court in Toledo. It claims Ohio's election system discriminates against minority voters.

Blackwell, who is black, says the election was run fairly, citing 1 million more votes cast than in 2000 and record turnout among black voters.

"People will say anything for money," Blackwell campaign spokesman Carlo LoParo said. "Fortunately, the historical record contradicts Senator Kerry."

Strickland spokesman Keith Dailey said the campaign welcomes Kerry's support.

[SuzeQuze]

If he really is going to run he better keep his cajones out this time! I like the fact that he would take a stand on this issue. But he is so late in doing so. Hopefully the political climate is such that people will listen now. Nobody wanted to believe that things could have been rigged in Ohio but there were alot of sketchy things that happened there to give the GOP the vote. There are facts about this on blackboxvoting.org.

[strandinthewind]

He has no hope of winning. Most people now see him as a wet noodle and, though it is unfair, his foreign wife is a huge detriment.

John Edwards should run. He can win barring any skeletons, plus, although it is unfair, his wife's breast cancer and his willingness to stick with her will help him.

That's how I see it.

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

John Edwards should run. He can win barring any skeletons, plus, although it is unfair, his wife's breast cancer and his willingness to stick with her will help him.

That's how I see it.

was one of the reasons I voted for the Franken-Kerry ticket last time out, for one he appearred in Oklahoma on many occassions and at least acknowledged that we are indeed a state.

Still I wonder how a state with a majority of voters who are registered as Democrats, Presidential election after Presidential election vote for the Republican candidate (Last Demo to win OK was JFK)....Oh, I know what causes this phenomena, The Demos to the far left.

Back to the task at hand, Franken-Kerry has as much chance of winning the Demo nomination for 2008 as William Shatner winning an Academy Award for his acting ability in a Shakespearan play.

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

He has no hope of winning. Most people now see him as a wet noodle and, though it is unfair, his foreign wife is a huge detriment.

John Edwards should run. He can win barring any skeletons, plus, although it is unfair, his wife's breast cancer and his willingness to stick with her will help him.

That's how I see it.

Interesting, I was just thinking of starting a thread about '08 candidates. A friend and I were talking about strong Dem contenders and Edwards is at the top of our list. I voted for him in the '04 primary (even though his politics overall are to my right) because he was the only candidate who talked about poverty. I think he is smart, articulate, and can win.

I would love an Edwards/Obama ticket.

As for Kerry, just go away.

[mikeschmike]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

I would love an Edwards/Obama ticket.

As for Kerry, just go away.

I would love to see an Edwards/Obama ticket, too. As for Kerry, this "two years later" thing seems petty upon first glance. And I hope he doesn't even think of running in '08. Did he not see the Giant Douche/Turd Sandwich episode of South Park? It was spot on!

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

He has no hope of winning. Most people now see him as a wet noodle and, though it is unfair, his foreign wife is a huge detriment.

John Edwards should run. He can win barring any skeletons, plus, although it is unfair, his wife's breast cancer and his willingness to stick with her will help him.

That's how I see it.

I agree with you, Edwards would be a great candidate. Kerry IS sort of a wet noodle. Indecisiveness and inertia are not good qualities for a president.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by estranged4life

...Still I wonder how a state with a majority of voters who are registered as Democrats, Presidential election after Presidential election vote for the Republican candidate (Last Demo to win OK was JFK)....Oh, I know what causes this phenomena, The Demos to the far left.
...

Right-wing bias in the media? (gasp) There really aren't many left-wing dems, most are pretty wussy middle of the road types.

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

Right-wing bias in the media? (gasp) There really aren't many left-wing dems, most are pretty wussy middle of the road types.

but in Oklahoma, if you're a Democrat that may have the "L" letter attached to your beliefs ("L" as in "Liberal") you have 0% chance of winning office (Maybe that was why John Kerry skipped out on the Democratic debate at OSU ).


Think about it, the end results of the 2004 Oklahoma Democratic Primary proves this to be true:

Winner: Wesley Clark (Yes, he won Oklahoma-Shocking 'tis be!)
(A very close) Runner-up: John Edwards
3rd: Howard "The Scream King" Dean
(A very distant) 4th: John Kerry

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by estranged4life

but in Oklahoma, if you're a Democrat that may have the "L" letter attached to your beliefs ("L" as in "Liberal") you have 0% chance of winning office (Maybe that was why John Kerry skipped out on the Democratic debate at OSU ).


Think about it, the end results of the 2004 Oklahoma Democratic Primary proves this to be true:

Winner: Wesley Clark (Yes, he won Oklahoma-Shocking 'tis be!)
(A very close) Runner-up: John Edwards
3rd: Howard "The Scream King" Dean
(A very distant) 4th: John Kerry

You're right. This is because of the talk radio people like Rush. The average person seems to trust what he says as fact. If it's on the radio, then it must be true, right? He and the other wrong-wingnuts have turned liberal (which means generous and open-minded) into a dirty word. It isn't.

I don't know why he skipped out on that debate. Maybe just cuz he's plain chicken. For his rally in Boston, when he had to concede to Bush, he never even addressed his crowd of supporters partying in Copley. Wuss wuss wuss.

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

You're right. This is because of the talk radio people like Rush. The average person seems to trust what he says as fact. If it's on the radio, then it must be true, right? He and the other wrong-wingnuts have turned liberal (which means generous and open-minded) into a dirty word. It isn't.

I hoped/prayed he would've been left permanently deaf (With his past hearing problem) thus ending his radio propaganda!

For some reason, he always reminded me of "Fat Bastard" from the Austin Powers movies-"Oh, Get in my belly (As he refers to his drugs)"

And for the record, Liberal isnt a dirty word...It's just a dusty town in Kansas

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by estranged4life

I hoped/prayed he would've been left permanently deaf (With his past hearing problem) thus ending his radio propaganda!

For some reason, he always reminded me of "Fat Bastard" from the Austin Powers movies-"Oh, Get in my belly (As he refers to his drugs)"

And for the record, Liberal isnt a dirty word...It's just a dusty town in Kansas

I hoped for the same thing. Fat Bastard Stephanie Miller calls him "Drug-Addled-Gasbag-Rush Limbaugh".

Have you listened to Ed Schultz? http://www.wegoted.com If anyone can get thru to OK peeps and others who've been voting against their own interests he can.

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

Have you listened to Ed Schultz? http://www.wegoted.com If anyone can get thru to OK peeps and others who've been voting against their own interests he can.

but never listened to his show (Hard to listen to talk radio with a music collection of the size that I own).

I listened to Rush Limbaugh once, and the next thing I know I have an arachnoid cyst in my brain...maybe my brain couldnt take his BS propaganda

Brian "Hi, I'm Rush Limbaugh. I have done more drugs than all the current/former members of Fleetwood Mac combined...I've did as many prescriptions drugs as Stevie Nicks did men!!!" j.

[xxxmx]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

John Edwards should run. He can win barring any skeletons, plus, although it is unfair, his wife's breast cancer and his willingness to stick with her will help him.

That's how I see it.

i think john edwards should be in my bed. that's how I see it.

[irishgrl]

I first saw this when I was at work and didnt have time to respond, but my first thought was: why NOW? its too freakin LATE! That man doesnt know diddly about timing does he?