The Ledge

Go Back   The Ledge > Main Forums > Chit Chat
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members List Calendar


Make the Ads Go Away! Click here.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-25-2006, 10:20 PM
JazmenFlowers's Avatar
JazmenFlowers JazmenFlowers is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: underneath all those rags...lavishly cocooned
Posts: 12,631
Default Heidi Klum sparks controversy - Kathy Najimy fires back

looks like we weren't the only ones who noticed the judges' comments were a little inducing. here's what Kathy wrote to the producers of the show.
__________________________________________

Dearest Andy eye candy,

Hi Honey. I hope you are well. Congratulations on Project Runway -- I think it is by far the best reality show on TV. Smart, filmed so realistically like a true documentary, well produced, compelling, well done -- in fact I could watch an all-Project-Runway-all-day channel.

Sadly after last night's episode, I probably won't watch it again. Yes, I am one of the throngs who will miss sweet gorgeous talented Alison and her creations ... BUT, that is NOT why i am upset. Tonight I was aghast at the comments made about her model's size.

First, Tim Gunn refers to her as "zaftig" Zaftig? She is a MODEL -- 6 feet tall and probably all of 120 pounds! Zaftig? What does this say to the really average sized women?? And then, Heidi Klum, although she seems like a perfectly fine model and mother -- made some very very irresponsible comments, a couple of offensive remarks about her size. She referred to the outfit as making the model look like a GOD FORBID -- "Plus SIZE model!" -- like that was the ultimate in HORRORS... it was all she could do to contain herself from gagging. OK maybe the outfit wasn't great but Heidi's comments were hurtful and dangerous. Good thing Mr. Kors had the good sense to chime in and call the model "a beautiful girl."

Andy, the reason Heidi's comments were dangerous is that we all know what a powerful tool television has become on influencing the masses. I am sure hundreds of thousands of women and girls watch your program. And probably a very monumental amount of them, as a result of the messages we send women and girls in this country that are made to hate their bodies. They are either unhealthily trying to fit into some NARROW minded idea of what they are "supposed to look like," actually in the midst of dangerous eating disorders, or are, hopefully, some of the very lucky few in process of overcoming the avalanche of hideous pressure to be one unattainable size.

Please sincerely tell Ms. Klum this fact: six out of ten 11-year-old girls are on a diet or have an eating disorder. That's 11-year-old girls. Many of them die from the quest. Many grown women also die from these disorders every year. If you have seen it, it is a profoundly sad self loss. And this is not an organic occurrence. This is not bad gene we are born with. This is a result of the constant gnawing at women and girls that they are NOT right as they are. This is taught. This is drilled. This comes from shame. That they are too fat, or too wrinkled or too round or maybe they are beyond terrorized that they just might look like a... PLUS SIZE MODEL. The truth is that most women in the country are a size 14. A nice beautiful size 14 or 16 -- or more. Which I guess Ms. Klum would categorize as OBESE. She is lucky she has good genes... good for her. I hope she got there without hurting herself in any way like most women do. I hope she has the self-esteem most women in America are lacking. And I especially hope that Heidi Klum's beautiful daughter never has to grow up in the self-hatred and self-mutilation that occurs when girls and women are suffocated by irresponsible, dangerous comments like the ones Heidi made last night on the program.

I understand that this is a reality TV show and people can say what they want, but I was disappointed that Bravo or the producers didn't opt to edit her comments. Please pass this on. I think it is important. I know this has nothing to do with you. I just have your email address and not hers!

Much love to you Andrew...
Yours,
Kathy "plus size brains" Najimy
Reply With Quote
.
  #2  
Old 08-25-2006, 10:49 PM
DrummerDeanna DrummerDeanna is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 10,499
Default

She's going on my hero list! SO TRUE! I don't watch that show, so I'd not heard the remark - and after reading this I will never watch the show.

These things are very destructive - I just saw an Oprah featuring a 4 and 6 year old girl - both of them completely and totally obsessed about their weight - it was the saddest thing
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-25-2006, 10:51 PM
carrie721's Avatar
carrie721 carrie721 is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: the north coast of OH
Posts: 11,312
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna View Post
She's going on my hero list! SO TRUE! I don't watch that show, so I'd not heard the remark - and after reading this I will never watch the show.

These things are very destructive - I just saw an Oprah featuring a 4 and 6 year old girl - both of them completely and totally obsessed about their weight - it was the saddest thing
holy ****, 4 and 6 years old?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-25-2006, 10:52 PM
JazmenFlowers's Avatar
JazmenFlowers JazmenFlowers is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: underneath all those rags...lavishly cocooned
Posts: 12,631
Default

well there's no way I ain't watching it.

I think Heidi needs to clarify what she meant or apologize just to save face, although there's no good way to put it. it's just a world of wrong, but I don't think she meant it in a hurtful way. I think Bravo should have edited the comments out.

what if someone had said...that makes her look black or asian? you know.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-25-2006, 10:52 PM
amber's Avatar
amber amber is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Fighting foh the Nohthun Stah...NO SPEED LIMIT! BITCH! THIS IS THE FAST LANE!!!
Posts: 23,178
Default

People shouldn't let their kids watch so much TV. A bit snarky of Heidi.

Being a model, she probably really thinks in those terms. To her for her career, gaining weight was a reallly bad thing. She doesn't really have the same perspective as an average woman would. They probably should have edited it, I guess. Meh.
__________________
"Do not be afraid! I am Esteban de la Sexface!"
"In order to live free and happily, you must sacrifice boredom.
It is not always an easy sacrifice"

Whehyll I can do EHYT!! Wehyll I can make it WAHN moh thihme! (wheyllit'sA reayllongwaytogooo! To say goodbhiiy!) -
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-25-2006, 10:53 PM
DrummerDeanna DrummerDeanna is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 10,499
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by carrie721 View Post
holy ****, 4 and 6 years old?
Yeah - it was awful. They were these beautiful little girls - not even the slightest bit chubby (though chub - NOT obsesity-but chub is good on a kid) - and both thought they were SO fat. Of course their mothers were ripped a new one by doctors, oprah and experts....
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-25-2006, 10:54 PM
carrie721's Avatar
carrie721 carrie721 is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: the north coast of OH
Posts: 11,312
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna View Post
Yeah - it was awful. They were these beautiful little girls - not even the slightest bit chubby (though chub - NOT obsesity-but chub is good on a kid) - and both thought they were SO fat. Of course their mothers were ripped a new one by doctors, oprah and experts....
were the mothers telling them they were fat?
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-25-2006, 10:59 PM
DrummerDeanna DrummerDeanna is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 10,499
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by carrie721 View Post
were the mothers telling them they were fat?
Not in so many words...but the things they let the kids do - dieting and such - and well ...I was only half listening when the mothers hit - since I was at work (I love my job) but once in a while a "real-life" vignette would come on - showing a kid on a playground "exercising" to exhaustion because she thought she was fat.

Now - I remember being 7 and telling my mom how fat I was - she freaked out - then took me to my aunt (health-nut and ex-anorexic) who assured me I wasn't fat - but I never believed it....so comments like that - that a kid or hell even an adult will hear can be hurtful -and subconciously a lot of people would pick up on that and take it on...

Too bad we're not one of those cultures where fat=good because it means you're wealthy and healthy
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-25-2006, 11:47 PM
diamondsnake's Avatar
diamondsnake diamondsnake is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 3,026
Default

I think Kathy is blowing it out of proportion. The model was clearly not plus size, but the outfit made her look that way. What is the point of wearing an outfit with so much fabric that it makes you look 30 pounds heavier? It doesn't matter if you are 120 pounds or 220 pounds, no one really wants to wear something that makes them look heavier. If you watched the show, I think that was the point Heidi was trying to make. I just hope the model didn't take it personally.

And, Heidi was on Larry King Live tonight and she tried to clear things up. She said that people shouldnot be offended by the term plus-size, etc. because it is a real thing, not a derrogatory term.
__________________
Christopher


We were frail...
Save us...
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-26-2006, 04:11 AM
Gypsy-Rhiannon's Avatar
Gypsy-Rhiannon Gypsy-Rhiannon is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Posts: 6,012
Default

What size out there do you class as a 'plus size model'?

Excellent letter BTW
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 08-26-2006, 06:29 AM
PsychCat's Avatar
PsychCat PsychCat is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 391
Default

I love me some Kathy Najimy...
although she should have gone full "Peggy Hill" in that letter!!
__________________

"Lucky in love... Unlucky in opening cereal boxes... -- Lisa Douglas, re: Olivah
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 08-26-2006, 07:31 AM
strandinthewind's Avatar
strandinthewind strandinthewind is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: New York City
Posts: 25,791
Default

Interesting letter. I do think, however, most people want it both ways. I remember when Carnie Wilson had her stomach stapeled on the net. Prior to that, she was all about how plus size people are happy, she was not sick, etc. Then, she drops the weight and she is all about how unhappy she was and it is fabulous to be thin. Moreover, how many times have we looked at a magazine and drolled over the sexy model, all of which are so called under weight or at least no plus sized. What a sad commentary on society IMO.
__________________
Photobucket

save the cheerleader - save the world
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 08-26-2006, 08:09 AM
GODDESS6's Avatar
GODDESS6 GODDESS6 is offline
Addicted Ledgie
Supporting Ledgie
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Somewhere out on that horizon~
Posts: 5,721
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by strandinthewind View Post
Interesting letter. I do think, however, most people want it both ways. I remember when Carnie Wilson had her stomach stapeled on the net. Prior to that, she was all about how plus size people are happy, she was not sick, etc. Then, she drops the weight and she is all about how unhappy she was and it is fabulous to be thin. Moreover, how many times have we looked at a magazine and drolled over the sexy model, all of which are so called under weight or at least no plus sized. What a sad commentary on society IMO.
& now carnie is on celebrity fit club this season isn't she?, cuz after child birth she gained weight again~


i used to watch a 5 yr old girl who was beginning to be bulemic~ she wasn't over-weight by any means, she looked like any average size child, she has an older sister who had a different father that is very tall & lanky, so her sister had the same traits, she was also very tall & lanky~ the older sister is 7~ so the 5 yr old began starving herself & when forced to eat would go throw it all up~ then you would see her binging & trying to go purge~ i mean my god she was 5 yr's old~ i asked her mother to no avail, but it always really bothered me as to where this 5 yr old would know how binge & purge already~ it was so very sad~
__________________
Image and video hosting by TinyPic
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 08-26-2006, 09:46 AM
SuzeQuze's Avatar
SuzeQuze SuzeQuze is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: By the sea.
Posts: 10,583
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gypsy-Rhiannon View Post
What size out there do you class as a 'plus size model'?

Excellent letter BTW
Plus size models are a size 10!!! It's regoddamdiculous.
__________________
~Suzy
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 08-26-2006, 11:04 AM
DrummerDeanna DrummerDeanna is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 10,499
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SuzeQuze View Post
Plus size models are a size 10!!! It's regoddamdiculous.
WHAT!?! That is ridiculous. I already hated the fashion industry - and now I do even more. 10..give me a break!
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Billy Burnette Lp Self Titled On Columbia - Vg+ To Vg++ / Vg++ picture

Billy Burnette Lp Self Titled On Columbia - Vg+ To Vg++ / Vg++

$11.99



Billy Burnette - Self-Titled LP - 1980 1st Pressing 12

Billy Burnette - Self-Titled LP - 1980 1st Pressing 12" Columbia LP + Lyrics VG+

$4.50



BILLY BURNETTE - GIMME YOU - 1981 COLUMBIA RECORDS VINYL ALBUM - (VG/VG+) picture

BILLY BURNETTE - GIMME YOU - 1981 COLUMBIA RECORDS VINYL ALBUM - (VG/VG+)

$5.00



BILLY BURNETTE - (SELF- TITLED) - 1979 POLYDOR RECORDS PROMO VINYL LP - (VG/VG) picture

BILLY BURNETTE - (SELF- TITLED) - 1979 POLYDOR RECORDS PROMO VINYL LP - (VG/VG)

$5.50



BILLY BURNETTE  45 RPM Promo Record

BILLY BURNETTE 45 RPM Promo Record "SHOO-BE-DOO" 1978 Rock Unplayed MINT

$6.70




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:20 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
© 1995-2003 Martin and Lisa Adelson, All Rights Reserved