FDA approves morning after pill for over the counter!

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by jannieC

It was 17 years ago. And of course I don't think you're nosy; I put it out there to begin with. After all these years, I have no shame about it.

I do want to add that I am not thinking that the m.a.p. is like, killing an embryo or anything. I just wonder if this pill will make planning beforehand obsolete. I definitely do not believe that MOST young women are responsible with birth control. It just seems to me that this is like a quick fix on something that could have been prevented in the first place. But, if I had to vote on it, I would vote FOR it- only because I am totally pro-choice and wouldn't want to ever hurt our freedom.

Wow - thanks for putting that out there - very courageous of you! And so may people even after many many years still feel ashamed about things like that and good for you for not!

As per the second paragraph I was wondering the same thing - if a wider availability of this pill will lead to more irresponsible behaviour. BUT I don't think it will - I mean if someone was irresponsible before they will still be now - at least now they have an option BEFORE they get impregnated.

I'm with you though - through any of my reservations I'm still glad this decision was made - because it's not my place to decide how any other woman should treat her body.

[hayley]

I had a friend who was raped when we were 15. By Kansas law, she was not allowed to walk into Planned Parenthood alone, let alone get the M.A.P. She was too afraid to tell her mom what had happened to her, so she didn't get the pill. She certainly did have to tell her mom once she realized she was pregnant and needed her permission for an abortion.

Even if it does make people more cavalier about their birth control, who cares? I'll take it, if it means that more people who genuinely need access to the morning after pill can get it.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

. . . I would argue that since the fetus is wholly dependent on its mother's body it is up to her to choose . . . .

And, the Court agrees with you up until the end of the first tri-mester.

Interestingly, the fetus is dependent on the mother until birth. So, using that logic, the mother could abort while delivering Also, when you get down to it, the baby depends wholly on its mother or some other human (assuming one is around and has milk) for life for the next three to five years after that.

In the end, I think until self viability earlier than the first trimester can be demonstrated through medical advances, Roe will stand.

I also think the vast majority of Americans are for Roe and the right to choose, though many would choose life. I do think, however, Roe could fall if the religious right wins its carefully waged war by making the so called BS issues the subject of elections. For example, very few Americans think a 12 year old girl ought to have an abortion without telling her parents, especially considering they would need parental consent for any other voluntary surgery. So, if the religious right puts that issue out there in an election, they will take many of the pro choice people with them because of that issue. That will lead to the appointment of anti-Roe judges. To me, that is sad because likely so realtively few 12 year olds will not get an abortion, etc., when compared to the thousands of other abortions that would not exist if Roe falls.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

. . . I'm with you though - through any of my reservations I'm still glad this decision was made - because it's not my place to decide how any other woman should treat her body.

Exactly!!!!!

And, to me, that applies in all areas. I think if you want to marry eight people - you ought to be able to marry eight people and the govt. should not be able to stop you. That would, of course, require the govt. to get out of the business of marriage, which is very lucrative come election time.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by hayley

I had a friend who was raped when we were 15. By Kansas law, she was not allowed to walk into Planned Parenthood alone, let alone get the M.A.P. She was too afraid to tell her mom what had happened to her, so she didn't get the pill. She certainly did have to tell her mom once she realized she was pregnant and needed her permission for an abortion.

Even if it does make people more cavalier about their birth control, who cares? I'll take it, if it means that more people who genuinely need access to the morning after pill can get it.

That poor girl, that must have been such a nightmare.

If people try to use this as birth control they might be in for a rude awakening since it is only 75% effective. But I'm with you, if a few people are going to abuse it, I'll take that risk so that people who really need the drug can get it.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Exactly!!!!!

And, to me, that applies in all areas. I think if you want to marry eight people - you ought to be able to marry eight people and the govt. should not be able to stop you. That would, of course, require the govt. to get out of the business of marriage, which is very lucrative come election time.

But where does it stop? Then we'll have people marrying animals... and trees!

I'm so with you on this.

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

But where does it stop? Then we'll have people marrying animals... and trees!

I'm so with you on this.

Have you seen the SNL skit where Alec Baldwin marries a hot dog? It's stupid but I found it way funny.

Anyway - this, like the gay marriage, issue largely comes down to religion. And that's not fair. I think abortion is awful and I wish there weren't any - BUT it's not up to me to tell personX they can't have an abortion because of MY beliefs. Same with contraception, or the M.A.P or gay marriage - I wish the Religious Right would stop trying to shove their beliefs and way of life into our laws.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

I'm so with you on this.

I know

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

Have you seen the SNL skit where Alec Baldwin marries a hot dog? It's stupid but I found it way funny.

Anyway - this, like the gay marriage, issue largely comes down to religion. And that's not fair. I think abortion is awful and I wish there weren't any - BUT it's not up to me to tell personX they can't have an abortion because of MY beliefs. Same with contraception, or the M.A.P or gay marriage - I wish the Religious Right would stop trying to shove their beliefs and way of life into our laws.

No I haven't seen that. But I've seen him do other skits and he is really funny! Perhaps I can find it on YouTube.

The fact that the Religious Right has gained so much power in this country often seems like a bad dream to me. This in America? WTF? And they call a judge an activist for defending civil rights (as in the recent SC decision that the wire-tapping without a warrant was illegal). It's just nutso.

Honestly I think they have picked up on some brainwashing tactics. The talking points and buzzwords they use incite a visceral response and people just parrot them without thinking critically about them. They are also discouraged from thinking critically. I wonder if radical right Christianity will show up on Rick Ross's cult list.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

And, the Court agrees with you up until the end of the first tri-mester.

Interestingly, the fetus is dependent on the mother until birth. So, using that logic, the mother could abort while delivering Also, when you get down to it, the baby depends wholly on its mother or some other human (assuming one is around and has milk) for life for the next three to five years after that.

In the end, I think until self viability earlier than the first trimester can be demonstrated through medical advances, Roe will stand.

I also think the vast majority of Americans are for Roe and the right to choose, though many would choose life. I do think, however, Roe could fall if the religious right wins its carefully waged war by making the so called BS issues the subject of elections. For example, very few Americans think a 12 year old girl ought to have an abortion without telling her parents, especially considering they would need parental consent for any other voluntary surgery. So, if the religious right puts that issue out there in an election, they will take many of the pro choice people with them because of that issue. That will lead to the appointment of anti-Roe judges. To me, that is sad because likely so realtively few 12 year olds will not get an abortion, etc., when compared to the thousands of other abortions that would not exist if Roe falls.

A fetus DOES depend upon its mother but the longer it develops the greater its chances of surviving outside the womb. Also, the developing fetus draws all it needs to develop from the mother's body which takes a toll on her, depending upon how healthy she is to begin with. For instance, if there is a chemical incompatibility between mother and fetus, the mother suffers greatly and her body may reject the fetus and spontaneously abort, or the mother can be ill the entire pregnancy. Some women lose teeth and/or hair. Two beings are living off of the resources of one body and it is for that reason that I believe the choice to continue a pregnancy is a very personal one for the MOTHER.

I can tell you that I was born at 24 weeks, and even at that I nearly didnt live--I was born at a time when preemie technology was so brand new, not every hospital had the right equipment. 24 weeks has been, and IMO, will continue to be the cutoff point at which babies can survive outside the womb with medical assistance. Any earlier than that, and the chances of death increase sharply. I hope you're right Jason about Roe surviving, but Im very afraid for its future.

The one bright spot is that Americans seem to be waking up across the nation to just how restrictive this Right Wing agenda is and are grumbling about a change in leadership. Lets hope this feeling gathers strength and carries us to a GOP defeat come November.

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

No I haven't seen that. But I've seen him do other skits and he is really funny! Perhaps I can find it on YouTube.

The fact that the Religious Right has gained so much power in this country often seems like a bad dream to me. This in America? WTF? And they call a judge an activist for defending civil rights (as in the recent SC decision that the wire-tapping without a warrant was illegal). It's just nutso.

Honestly I think they have picked up on some brainwashing tactics. The talking points and buzzwords they use incite a visceral response and people just parrot them without thinking critically about them. They are also discouraged from thinking critically. I wonder if radical right Christianity will show up on Rick Ross's cult list.

I don't know - but it scares the **** out of me. And it pisses me off because (as seen LOTS) ALL Christians get judged buy these wack-nuts -who don't even follow the very Christian doctrine they spew.

Jesus was a Jewish Liberal afterall....how would these folks deal with him...because they sure as hell don't like the people who are actually doing his work and following His path.

Jane Fonda had some great things to say on that in her book.

Anyway - there was this great commentary on NPR recently about a guy upset over a church sermon - the pastor was praising his new Mercedes - and talking about how Jesus can get you wealth....Um NOO! That's not how it works....
This pastor fired back a few days later saying he has to use practical application in his teachings - and apparently luxury cars and lots of riches fall under the "practical application" title. Whatever - it's disgusting and sad.

/rant.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

...
Jane Fonda had some great things to say on that in her book.

Anyway - there was this great commentary on NPR recently about a guy upset over a church sermon - the pastor was praising his new Mercedes - and talking about how Jesus can get you wealth....Um NOO! That's not how it works....
This pastor fired back a few days later saying he has to use practical application in his teachings - and apparently luxury cars and lots of riches fall under the "practical application" title. Whatever - it's disgusting and sad.

/rant.

I love her book.

And no, that wealth ain't from Jesus.

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

I love her book.

And no, that wealth ain't from Jesus.

Oh! you've read it? yeah - I LOVE her -and if all born again Christians though like her - this world would be a better place

I was so turned off when I heard she was born again, but in my opinion - she's totally got the right idea.