Was TITN a surprise? - Page 6

David · #76 07-28-2006, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by madformac

I think there should be a law to stop acts performing after a certain age in the rock and pop world.

Gospel, Jazz and Blues are fine..

I don't mind their performing year after year. But I howl with laughter when, like Lindsey, they don't ever do anything except talk about how rich & full their bank of ideas still is & how they are just around the corner from tapping it & out will spill all these wondrous new albums & productions.

"It's the best thing I've ever done" . . .

He always says he's going to "reassert" himself or "engage" his "center." Yeah, Lindsey ...

Serrart · #77 07-28-2006, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by David

She'll never look silly to her fans. It's pretty apparent, by this point, that they will love her forever. She's a woman with a fan base & she has the full support of those devout followers. That will be her story for the rest of her life & even beyond. The fact that non-followers of Nicks think she's silly or antiquated is wholly irrelevant at this point, don't you think?

I agree, and think she's highly respected in the music business and from those who aren't strictly her fans, looking at how influential for younger artists she still is now. I also believe she still has a lot to express as a songwriter if she decided to devote more time to it, but if to tour makes her happier, I'm only glad she's doing what she really wants.

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Originally Posted by David

He's a complete write-off. He has been a far more harmful influence on his own career than any record label or stuffy executive. His reputation worldwide is that of a constipated guitarist who seems pathologically unable to rouse himself or even sustain a career in music. He's a joke. He's like a character in an old Shaw play. He's cartoonish with his grand ideas & his passion, & no actual product. If you asked him, he'd tell you he is still going to create "the best thing I've ever done." He's delusional if he thinks that any of his neuroses or any of his pipe dreams have any validity in the marketplace. I'm still shocked he produced a Soundstage DVD, but that was what? three years after it was recorded?

I'm not the greatest fan of his solo work, but I'm quite convinced he also has much to say yet. For instance a couple of his songs on SYW were brilliant (especially Miranda) and I loved Shut us down. I know it doesn't look very likely but if Thomas Pynchon published a new book 17 years after Gravity's Rainbow (I'm not making comparisons here), even Lindsey Buckingham could finally put out that album. I'm hopeful.

Romy

skcin · #78 07-28-2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Yes. He seems emblematic of Bloom's anxiety of influence theory, except that in Bloom it's that anxiety that spurs new achievement. Lindsey has an Oedipal conflict not with his father or his precursor but with himself!

So, current Lindsey is in constant competition with bearded bell-bottom kimono Lindsey? Or is his nemesis tight jean short hair cowboy hat Lindsey?

I tease you, but you really made a great point. So true.

Johnny Stew · #79 07-28-2006, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by skcin

So, current Lindsey is in constant competition with bearded bell-bottom kimono Lindsey? Or is his nemesis tight jean short hair cowboy hat Lindsey?

I'm picturing the "Wrong" video, with the Battling Lindseys.

**jbrownsjr** · #80 07-28-2006, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by David

I don't mind their performing year after year. But I howl with laughter when, like Lindsey, they don't ever do anything except talk about how rich & full their bank of ideas still is & how they are just around the corner from tapping it & out will spill all these wondrous new albums & productions.

"It's the best thing I've ever done" . . .

He always says he's going to "reassert" himself or "engage" his "center." Yeah, Lindsey ...

what got me was when he said, "with christine gone we'll be able to expand our sound more" and the first thing i heard was "Whats the world comin too"

good job LB! way to really dig deep, thank God CM left because she sure would have ruined that gem...

shackin'up · #81 07-29-2006, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by David

He's a complete write-off. He has been a far more harmful influence on his own career than any record label or stuffy executive. His reputation worldwide is that of a constipated guitarist who seems pathologically unable to rouse himself or even sustain a career in music. He's a joke. He's like a character in an old Shaw play. He's cartoonish with his grand ideas & his passion, & no actual product. If you asked him, he'd tell you he is still going to create "the best thing I've ever done." He's delusional if he thinks that any of his neuroses or any of his pipe dreams have any validity in the marketplace. I'm still shocked he produced a Soundstage DVD, but that was what? three years after it was recorded?

True truer truest.

I can't say anything against this. Yer right. The freaky thing is, that it's part of his art. That anal ï'm bigger than life as an artist-attitude towards himself.

And it's the story of MY life that SUCH an artist has an entry to my soul.

IamwaitingIamwaitingohyeahohyeah

shackin'up · #82 07-29-2006, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

what got me was when he said, "with christine gone we'll be able to expand our sound more" and the first thing i heard was "Whats the world comin too"

good job LB! way to really dig deep, thank God CM left because she sure would have ruined that gem...

In all 17 tracks after that he proves his point though.

**jbrownsjr** · #83 07-29-2006, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by shackin'up

True truer truest.

I can't say anything against this. Yer right. The freaky thing is, that it's part of his art. That anal ï'm bigger than life as an artist-attitude towards himself.

And it's the story of MY life that SUCH an artist has an entry to my soul.

IamwaitingIamwaitingohyeahohyeah

i hear ya!

**jbrownsjr** · #84 07-29-2006, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by shackin'up

In all 17 tracks after that he proves his point though.

yes and no...

1. all these songs were tracks that he was already working on without the band... they would have gone on the album whether Christine was there or not...the only thing that Christine's absence did was allow more tracks for him...she really wouldn't have done much musically other than add a cool harmony or some great hammond.... I mean really how often did you see her piano or keys get in the way of any of his stuff...

Hold Me is a great example of them playing off each other... but she never got in his way....

musically...especially live... i don't think they are a better band without her...

i will however agree that a few of his songs on SYW were the experimental stuff i like to see and was happy to hear him doing them....

I believe he missed her in that studio for a few reasons... one being Stevie... haha

(that was for you stew!)

Johnny Stew · #85 07-29-2006, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

I believe he missed her in that studio for a few reasons... one being Stevie... haha

(that was for you stew!)

Phoeey on you.

The one thing I found strange, was that I don't recall Lindsey ever once saying he missed Christine. Perhaps he was trying to sell people on the idea of her not being there, but he only seemed to ever talk about all the great things they could do with her gone, as opposed to any comments about missing her contributions in the studio. I think Stevie was really the only one who vocally lamented Christine's absence from the recording sessions.

BlackWidow · #86 07-29-2006, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

what got me was when he said, "with christine gone we'll be able to expand our sound more" and the first thing i heard was "Whats the world comin too"

good job LB! way to really dig deep, thank God CM left because she sure would have ruined that gem...

It will always be about Buckingham/Nicks

**jbrownsjr** · #87 07-30-2006, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackWidow

It will always be about Buckingham/Nicks

yes i realize the simple minded will feel this way...

**jbrownsjr** · #88 07-30-2006, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Phoeey on you.

The one thing I found strange, was that I don't recall Lindsey ever once saying he missed Christine. Perhaps he was trying to sell people on the idea of her not being there, but he only seemed to ever talk about all the great things they could do with her gone, as opposed to any comments about missing her contributions in the studio. I think Stevie was really the only one who vocally lamented Christine's absence from the recording sessions.

yeah Stevie Nicks said, "Are we a better band without Christine McVie? No band is ever better without someone like Christine McVie. We are different without her."

something close to this i remember her saying on AOL interview