Question for the regulars in this forum - Page 2

Gailh · #16 06-07-2006, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I absolutely agree that it's a two-way street.
I didn't know there are trolls who visit Christine's official forum to post nasty things about her, but I guess I should have realized that'd be the case, since there doesn't seem to be a single message board in existence that hasn't been bugged by trolls.

You and me, Gail, we need to help foster good relations between the Christine & Stevie fancamps! Our ladies love and respect each other -- we should follow their lead.

There are maybe trolls who visit Stevie's own site purporting to be Christine fans just to stir up trouble - if so they too are little twerps who should be ignored.

Gail

Dreamz19 · #17 06-07-2006, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidMn

I want to make it very clear before I go any further that I am not trying to troll the Christine room here. That being said, I've noticed that some of Chris' fans particularly dislike Stevie, which is perfectly ok because it's a free country. However, I havent noticed as much venom directed towards Christine fans by Stevie fans as I have the opposite. Personally I enjoy both very much, it's one of the reasons I love Fleetwood Mac so much, cause theyre both there. I guess the question I have is why some of you feel so strongly about this? I'm not trying to incite anything, It's more out of curiosity thatn anything. And, please feel free to express your opiion any way you wish.

Very interesting thread. I am new to the board so I haven't really seen this here yet. But in times past I have seen both Stevie and Christine fans put the ladies down *on other boards and just in convo*

I first started liking FM because of Stevie and her songs. At first I didn't really give Christine her due. However, I quickly began to love Christine and appreciate her. It does bother me when I hear some say they are happy she wasn't on SYW because then Lindsey and Stevie would have more songs. Just like it bothers me when some put down Stevie. I just feel that both of these ladies are talented and equally play an important role in FM. I understand that not everyone is going to like Christine or Stevie but I think some can try to be respectful and not put them down about petty stuff.

Overall I think sometimes people will put down others just to prop up their favorites. You pretty much see that in anything where it appears to be some competition. Having them be the only women in the band it might seem like there is some competitiveness. I think that could be one of the many reasons. But I really don't think for a second Christine or Stevie see it that way. I hope I am making sense. It's a little hard to put it in words.

Gailh · #18 06-07-2006, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Dreamz19

Very interesting thread. I am new to the board so I haven't really seen this here yet. But in times past I have seen both Stevie and Christine fans put the ladies down *on other boards and just in convo*

I first started liking FM because of Stevie and her songs. At first I didn't really give Christine her due. However, I quickly began to love Christine and appreciate her. It does bother me when I hear some say they are happy she wasn't on SYW because then Lindsey and Stevie would have more songs. Just like it bothers me when some put down Stevie. I just feel that both of these ladies are talented and equally play an important role in FM. I understand that not everyone is going to like Christine or Stevie but I think some can try to be respectful and not put them down about petty stuff.

Overall I think sometimes people will put down others just to prop up their favorites. You pretty much see that in anything where it appears to be some competition. Having them be the only women in the band it might seem like there is some competitiveness. I think that could be one of the many reasons. But I really don't think for a second Christine or Stevie see it that way. I hope I am making sense. It's a little hard to put it in words.

I think both women got on well from the start. Stevie has said that Christine was like her big sister. I think Christine also felt that way - in the true sense of being sisters. Sometimes your little sister gets on your nerves! Sometimes your big sister bosses you around!

I don't know why we Christine fans feel the need to protect her, I cannot think of anyone less in need of protection than Christine McVie! She strikes me as being well able to look after herself!

I think it's probably that we feel that the attention Stevie gets is out of proportion. But hell that's life. I for one will continue to stick up for Christine if I feel she's being critisized unfairly without, I hope, critisizing Stevie unfairly in return.

Gail

Dreamz19 · #19 06-07-2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Gailh

I think both women got on well from the start. Stevie has said that Christine was like her big sister. I think Christine also felt that way - in the true sense of being sisters. Sometimes your little sister gets on your nerves! Sometimes your big sister bosses you around!

I don't know why we Christine fans feel the need to protect her, I cannot think of anyone less in need of protection than Christine McVie! She strikes me as being well able to look after herself!

I think it's probably that we feel that the attention Stevie gets is out of proportion. But hell that's life. I for one will continue to stick up for Christine if I feel she's being critisized unfairly without, I hope, critisizing Stevie unfairly in return.

Gail

I could not agree more. I haven't been a fan for very long but after reading some of the interviews and seeing them together I never picked up anything but love and admiration between them. Although, I am a really big Stevie fan I also find myself defending Christine when I hear people downplay her contribution to the band. I have seen some Stevie bashing on here but since I am new I'll let it slide for now

JazmenFlowers · #20 06-07-2006, 04:17 PM

you can't get away from the tsk tsk attitude of Stevie/FM/Christine fans...it's just human nature. that said, I agree that both Stevie and Christine are talented in their own way and have very different personalities. some just lean towards Stevie and some to Christine, depending on each person's tastes. it just happens that Stevie has more mass appeal, I guess. I like Stevie, but that doesn't mean I hate or dislike Christine or think she is any less talented; Stevie just touches me more with her work, image, etc. I don't think Stevie IS FM or FM IS Stevie or any of that...I think Stevie has a special place in FM that can't be filled or overlooked and so does Christine.

as far as remarks made by Stevie/Christine fans about Christine/Stevie, I defer to Stewy's remarks, as ITA.

DestinyRules · #21 06-07-2006, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Gailh

I think it's probably that we feel that the attention Stevie gets is out of proportion. But hell that's life. I for one will continue to stick up for Christine if I feel she's being critisized unfairly without, I hope, critisizing Stevie unfairly in return.

I've long said Christine was (and I still sometimes say "is") my second favourite member of Fleetwood Mac. I have great respect, admiration, and love for Christine and I think Say You Will suffered without her presence.

It frustrates me when people starting going on a Christine bashing campaign regardless of which "camp" they're in. I find I get my defences up almost as quickly for Christine as I do for Stevie. One of my best friends from my Burnish days (and the only one I stayed in consistent contact with for a long time) was a Christine fan. Of course, he also loves Stevie, but he's a Chris fan first. Then again, one of my biggest allies on that board was a Lindsey fan, but I digress...

If someone really is as talented and as worthy of admiration as we believe them to be, we shouldn't have to tear down other members of THE SAME BAND to elevate them in anyone else's eyes.

aleuzzi · #22 06-09-2006, 11:23 AM

Love em both! Why not embrace two entirely different performers with different songwriting styles?

I'm a much bigger Christine fan, but it wasn't always that way. When I was a kid (about 12) I loved Stevie's voice and presence--it's what largely drew me me to the band. I was a young, closeted gay kid who took her "Set your secrets free" slogan from the Rock a Little tour seriously. And I was addicted to the Gypsy video.

But I was never a big fan of Stevie on her own. And, as I got older, I became a bigger Chris fan. I liked her solid musicianship and no-nonsense attitude about making music. That was when I was about 14 and have never stopped...That voice...I could listen to it for hours.

Now that Chris is on her own, I listen to ITM ALL the time! But I'm almost equally floored by some of Stevie's contributions to Say You Will--particularly Illume, which taps into her incredibly unique, powerful, mysterious energy, an eneregy no one else has in rock.

As I said, I love em both!

JazmenFlowers · #23 06-09-2006, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi

I liked her solid musicianship and no-nonsense attitude about making music.

But I'm almost equally floored by some of Stevie's contributions to Say You Will--particularly Illume, which taps into her incredibly unique, powerful, mysterious energy, an eneregy no one else has in rock.

As I said, I love em both!

that is a great way to put it. even though I'm a much bigger Stevie fan, I like them both.

DavidMn · #24 06-09-2006, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

that is a great way to put it. even though I'm a much bigger Stevie fan, I like them both.

Good attitude sir!

JazmenFlowers · #25 06-09-2006, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidMn

Good attitude sir!

what can I say? I'm in a giving mood today.

DavidMn · #26 06-09-2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers

what can I say? I'm in a giving mood today.

Sounds like your day is going good.

David · #27 06-09-2006, 01:07 PM

I get pissy when people toss that word "bashing" around lightly. If someone says she thinks Christine is boring, some other prig usually jumps in self-righteously & screams, "You don't need to bash Chris just to prop up Stevie!" yadda yadda, when all that person did was admit that Christine bores her.

If I could just extirpate from people's thinking that illogical notion that all Fleetwood Mac fans have to like (or pretend to like so as not to upset sensitive souls) everything about Fleetwood Mac, I'd do so.

Saying you hate Christine, or Stevie, or "Time," or Bekka, or Peter, or Lindsey, or "Rumours," or "Kiln House," etc. etc., is not bashing!!! You don't have to like anything you don't happen to like. Just let people speak their minds, fer chrissake. It's a lot more important that forum users not insult one another (that to me is where moderators are really necessary) than that you have to worry about everyone who hates what you love about Fleetwood Mac or vice versa. When that oppressive, stifling, Soviet atmosphere descends over the forum--where everybody feels he'd better not criticize an album or a singer--it's a real drag. I love "Rumours," but I'd rather read someone who says she hates "Rumours" than someone who skirts around it & says she "appreciates" it even though she doesn't, or some other bloodless, phony remark.

P.S., aleuzzi, I liked your post!

chiliD · #28 06-09-2006, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Saying you hate ..."Time,"...is not bashing!!!

Yes, it is.

(sorry, couldn't hold it anymore)

SteveMacD · #29 06-09-2006, 06:20 PM

Stevie vs. Christine...

Honestly, I think the greatest thing about the whole "Rumours" band is that the three singers balanced each other out. I hate to say this, but I find it hard to listen to most Stevie solo albums, "In The Meantime," and all of Lindsey's solo albums all the way through. Stevie's albums get too etherial, "In The Meantime" is too bland, and Lindsey's solo albums are too off the wall. "Bella Donna" and "Christine McVie" are exceptions, probably because there was so much input from others (i.e. Tom Petty, Don Henley, Steve Winwood) that the albums had a "band" feel to them. While I personally prefer Christine's vibe over Stevie's, I still think Stevie is an amazing talent.

Why the rub with some fans? I think many Stevie fans have overstated her importance to the band (or, maybe even pop culture) over the years and treat her as being more than just a rock singer. Sometimes, these particular fans begin to overstate things to a point where facts do not necessarily back up their opinions. I think that more than anything has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.

David · #30 06-09-2006, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Why the rub with some fans? I think many Stevie fans have overstated her importance to the band (or, maybe even pop culture) over the years and treat her as being more than just a rock singer. Sometimes, these particular fans begin to overstate things to a point where facts do not necessarily back up their opinions. I think that more than anything has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.

I think it's a personality clash--not between Stevie & Christine but between Stevie fans & Christine fans. Both camps just use their respective idols as fronts, but they're red herrings. Each side hates the other side's characteristics & personality traits. It's not like the split between the side for the blues rock years of F. Mac & the side for the pop rock years of F. Mac--that's based overwhelmingly on the music differences. But today's animosity is an animosity based on hatred, disgust, scoffery & utter dismissal.

I think that's healthy!

As Frank Lentricchia once said (about the Avignonish infallibility of the Yale Mafia in literary studies), "Teach the conflict!"